The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:28 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Super Buu vs Golden Freeza

In terms of sheer strength, this is a lopsided match, obviously, but here's the main question: will Freeza get absorbed?
supercat wrote:Nail - Gauntlet
Zarbon and Dodoria (together)
Transformed Zarbon and Dodoria (together)
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Nail beats everyone on this list. Zarbon and Dodoria are both fodder to him. Each individual Ginyu member is said to possess a power level of about 40,000, whereas Nail has one of 42,000, so I have him barely beating each individual Ginyu member here. Now, if Jeice and Burter tag-teamed against him, they win.
Super Buu gets one-shotted before he even gets the chance to absorb. Unless Frieza cuts Buu up, I see the chances of absorption occurring extremely unlikely. Even if it did, I doubt Buu would be able to successfully contain Frieza. The latter would either obliterate the piece of Buu around him during the actual absorption process, or he would blast his way out of Buu, if he does get absorbed.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:51 pm

LightBing wrote:Nail vs Oozaru Nappa - No knowledge of weakness's

Yajirobe vs Saibamen

Conquer of Namek Scenario:
Saiyan Arc- Goku, Krilin, Yajirobe, Chaotzu, Gohan, Tenshinhan, Yamcha( 1 senzu each)

Wildcard-Piccolo (You must include where he stood and his role)

Namekians are unaware that they're being invaded.
- Nail still one shots
- Saibamen wins after a hard fight
- Nail crushes all of them
supercat wrote:Nail - Gauntlet

Zarbon and Dodoria (together)
Transformed Zarbon and Dodoria (together)
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Nail clears through the list, but it's difficult work for him
fadeddreams5 wrote:Super Buu vs Golden Freeza

In terms of sheer strength, this is a lopsided match, obviously, but here's the main question: will Freeza get absorbed?
No. Freeza will one shot Super Boo.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by MYSTICisPOWER » Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:21 pm

Cell Games - Videl (She's about 10 or 11) vs. Mr.Satan

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:40 pm

MYSTICisPOWER wrote:Cell Games - Videl (She's about 10 or 11) vs. Mr.Satan
I think Videl would take Mr Satan at this stage. Wasn't it stated that by the time she was 16 she has long surpassed her father? So I think at this age she may have reached her father's level.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:42 pm

|Super Saiyan 2/3 Goku (End of Z)| vs. |Captain Neji (Leader of Mega Cannon Sigma)|

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:58 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:|Super Saiyan 2/3 Goku (End of Z)| vs. |Captain Neji (Leader of Mega Cannon Sigma)|
SSJ3 Goku (EoZ) takes this with relative ease. Considering how well he did against Base Rildo, GT Base Goku (M2) is likely stronger than his SSJ3 self (Buu arc) and Kid Buu. However, I don't think he is quite as powerful as his SSJ3 self (EoZ).

As for SSJ2 Goku (EoZ), I feel it could go either way. If we assume SSJ2 Goku (EoZ) has surpassed Kid Buu, then yes, Goku takes this. On the contrary, if SSJ2 Goku (EoZ) is still a good amount below Kid Buu, he would likely get crushed.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:02 am

Captain Neji > Veise > Nutt > Super Saiyan Goku (BoGT)

is shown via feats and statements/implications, so unless you have SS2 Goku (EoZ) > SS Goku (BoGT), Goku should lose IMO. SS3 is a toss up. Depends on how strong you think he got training in 5 years with Uub.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Captain Neji > Veise > Nutt > Super Saiyan Goku (BoGT)

is shown via feats and statements/implications, so unless you have SS2 Goku (EoZ) > SS Goku (BoGT), Goku should lose IMO. SS3 is a toss up. Depends on how strong you think he got training in 5 years with Uub.
I could see SSJ2 Goku (EoZ) losing, but SSJ3 Goku (EoZ) should be able to trash any of those robots with relative ease. It's extremely unlikely that SSJ3 Goku (EoZ) is below GT Base Goku (M2).

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:18 am

supercat wrote:It's extremely unlikely that SSJ3 Goku (EoZ) is below GT Base Goku (M2).
It's not impossible. Due to the implied/stated/shown chain of:

Base Goku (M2) >~ General Rild >>> Super Mega Cannon Sigma >> Neji > Veise >> Nutt ~ Luud (Level 3) >> SS Goku (BoGT) >> Base Goku (BoGT) >/>>/>>> Base Goku (EoZ)

I'd say even BoGT SS3 Goku would lose to Base M2 Goku.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:35 am

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:
supercat wrote:It's extremely unlikely that SSJ3 Goku (EoZ) is below GT Base Goku (M2).
It's not impossible. Due to the implied/stated/shown chain of:

Base Goku (M2) >~ General Rild >>> Super Mega Cannon Sigma >> Neji > Veise >> Nutt ~ Luud (Level 3) >> SS Goku (BoGT) >> Base Goku (BoGT) >/>>/>>> Base Goku (EoZ)

I'd say even BoGT SS3 Goku would lose to Base M2 Goku.

I'm going to have to disagree with that. While I consider myself very open to some of the inflated battle powers of GT characters, I feel there hasn't been anything indicating that GT Goku (M2) was stronger than SSJ3 Goku (EoZ), let alone SSJ3 Goku (BoGT).

When was it ever stated that Base Goku (BoGT) was more powerful than his SSJ3 self (EoZ)?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:54 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:Super Buu vs Golden Freeza

In terms of sheer strength, this is a lopsided match, obviously, but here's the main question: will Freeza get absorbed?
Freeza is a moron, he'll find a way to get absorbed after being super cocky. He'd probably torture Boo and then end up absorbed by not one shotting him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:03 am

dbzfan7 wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Super Buu vs Golden Freeza

In terms of sheer strength, this is a lopsided match, obviously, but here's the main question: will Freeza get absorbed?
Freeza is a moron, he'll find a way to get absorbed after being super cocky. He'd probably torture Boo and then end up absorbed by not one shotting him.
This is what I think too. lol.

Frieza's fighting IQ is very low, and his arrogance is very high, whereas Super Buu, despite coming off as a moron, is one of the most clever and downright genius fighters in the series. He does things quick (e.g. wiping out humanity).
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:13 am

A single Namekian warrior vs. 6 Saibamen.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:34 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Super Buu vs Golden Freeza

In terms of sheer strength, this is a lopsided match, obviously, but here's the main question: will Freeza get absorbed?
Freeza is a moron, he'll find a way to get absorbed after being super cocky. He'd probably torture Boo and then end up absorbed by not one shotting him.
This is what I think too. lol.

Freeza's fighting IQ is very low, and his arrogance is very high, whereas Super Buu, despite coming off as a moron, is one of the most clever and downright genius fighters in the series. He does things quick (e.g. wiping out humanity).
While Frieza is quite intelligent outside of battle, he seems to completely forget about the possibility of an unfavorable outcome, the second his obsessive desires to toy with his opponent kicks in.

With that said, I just feel that Buu is far too below Frieza in power to be able to successfully pull off his absorption technique. I mean, I don't think it would be too difficult for Frieza to blast away the piece of Buu that is on the verge of absorbing him.

Also, with that overwhelming advantage in power, it wouldn't surprise me if he could somehow blast his way out of Buu from the inside.

Not sure if we could use this is as a reference, but if Frieza does manage to get absorbed, I could see the outcome turning out similarly to when GT Cell absorbed Goku; except Frieza likely wouldn't be making as friendly of an exit.. He'd probably bolt his way out of Buu's stomach, causing the monster such an excruciating amount of pain, that he begins to regret even trying to absorb the evil tyrant.
In Brightest Day wrote:A single Namekian warrior vs. 6 Saibamen.
Assuming the average Namekian warrior is around 3,000, each Saibamen should be one-shot material, or at the very most go down with two or three powerful hits. The higher battle power would likely yield a high enough advantage in speed for the Namekian to avoid taking damage, while being able to land attacks first.

I see the Namekian taking this unless the Saibamen collectively overwhelm the warrior with their self-destruct technique.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:11 am

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:|Super Saiyan 2/3 Goku (End of Z)| vs. |Captain Neji (Leader of Mega Cannon Sigma)|
Goku wrecks Neji
supercat wrote:Roshi (before FnF) vs Spopovich and Yamu (together)
Roshi whoops both their butts with ease
In Brightest Day wrote:A single Namekian warrior vs. 6 Saibamen.
All of the Saibamen get one shotted

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:32 am

supercat wrote:I'm going to have to disagree with that. While I consider myself very open to some of the inflated battle powers of GT characters, I feel there hasn't been anything indicating that GT Goku (M2) was stronger than SSJ3 Goku (EoZ), let alone SSJ3 Goku (BoGT).

When was it ever stated that Base Goku (BoGT) was more powerful than his SSJ3 self (EoZ)?
It's not explicitly stated, I'm just saying, with the shown chain of

Base Goku (M2) >~ General Rild >>> Super Mega Cannon Sigma >>> Neji > Veise >> Nutt ~ Luud (Level 3) >> SS Goku (BoGT)

and that the gap between SS2 and SS3 is about 3x to 4.5x in GT, and Super Mega Cannon Sigma already being multi-fold Luud, it's very possible SS3 BoGT Goku is surpassed by someone earlier than Goku or Rild in that chain.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Methuselah » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:20 pm

Uub (pre-merge, Baby Saga) vs Buutenks

If Buutenks isn't enough, replace him with Buuhan.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:33 pm

Methuselah wrote:Uub (pre-merge, Baby Saga) vs Buutenks

If Buutenks isn't enough, replace him with Buuhan.
Uub pre-merge is a conundrum.

Episode 32
Time: 5m40s
Context: Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are trying to help Baby against Oob
Baby: "What are you doing?"
Gohan: "We're trying to help you, Baby-sama..."
Baby: "Do you think... [ ] ...that I might lose?"
Gohan: "Baby-sama..."
[ ]
Baby: "I was putting Oob's power to the test...and I had been enjoying myself!"

Episode 32
Time: around 10m10s
Context: After Baby and Oob fight for a little
Baby: "Now I see... You aren't all that bad. But unfortunately for you, you won't be able to beat me at this level! You can no longer think of me as the same person I've been up to now!"

Episode 32
Time: around 15m
Context: Baby is preparing his Revenge Death Ball
Baby: "This is smaller than the one I used when I defeated Goku, but it will be enough for the likes of you! [ ] Once I finish you off, it means that there will be no one else in the entire universe left to carry out Goku's will!"


The first two imply Uub is stronger than the SS3 Goku that fought Base Vegeta-Baby. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks knew Baby was stronger than Goku, yet worried Uub was a threat.

The last one implies Uub is even weaker than a weakened Base Goku (although you could argue Baby was being excessive in his blast to kill Goku.)

Personally, I'm one who places Uub above Base Goku, but below SS2 Vegeta (I like to believe Vegeta was the strongest on Earth before Goku came back.)

So I have a chain of: SS2 Goku > SS2 Vegeta > Uub (pre-merge) >~ SS Goku > SS Vegeta > Base Goku >~ General Rild >~ Base Vegeta > Gohan-Buu > Gotenks-Buu

So Uub wins effortlessly, in my opinion.

EDIT: Uub also felt Goku's SS3 Ki and knew he lost to Baby, yet still thought he could take Baby on, so take that how you will.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sora Saiyan » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:52 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Super Buu vs Golden Freeza

In terms of sheer strength, this is a lopsided match, obviously, but here's the main question: will Freeza get absorbed?
Freeza would one shot, but besides that he'd be far too fast. The difference would be even greater than when Piccolo, Gohan and Kuririn couldn't even track Freeza's movements, so anything Boo could do would be far too slow.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LightBing » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:57 pm

Android Arc Humans vs Freeza's Forces on Namek plus Abo and Cado - Freeza and Saiyan/Human hybrids are excluded

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