Would you have preferred Adult Goku in GT?

[ABED]

The Goku most people want isn't even the main character of GT for the majority of the time. Hence why this topic was created in the first place. Goku in a kid's body is not the same as him in an adult body (unless you want to be technical about it).

Secondly, why does Goku have to remain the main character? DBZ ended with Goku flying off to train this stranger. The Kanzenban ending throws some symbolism in there that indicates the start of a new generation.

GT is an entirely new series, not DBZ, so they could have successfully (or not) gone that route. Regardless, the path they chose was a flop among fans. As for a tech person, that's why I chose Bra. Like I said, the characters would have to be re-written for it to work the way I see it cause their portrayals in GT are absolutely horrendous.

It's the same character just in a younger body.

GT is still DB, albeit without the original author, and Goku IS Dragon Ball. Goku's most suited for that role because he's the heart and soul of the series. The tone of DB fits Goku's character the best. I honestly think people prefer the idea of the next generation than they would its actual execution. I don't recall ever seeing a series that was as good or better after changing main characters.

You chose Bra, but we don't really know anything about her. At least Trunks there's a familiarity with him and an emotional connection. The stories can just build on that.

[Doctor.]

I honestly think people prefer the idea of the next generation than they would its actual execution. I don't recall ever seeing a series that was as good or better after changing main characters.

Every time the theme of the next generation is brought up you say this, but JJBA is a series that thrives on changing main characters every few years. What about Naruto? Most people are liking the sequel now more than the last arc of the manga. Or if you want to go into non-action seinen manga, there's a lot, especially by Naoki Urasawa.

[fadeddreams5]

It's the same character just in a younger body.

GT is still DB, albeit without the original author, and Goku IS Dragon Ball. Goku's most suited for that role because he's the heart and soul of the series. The tone of DB fits Goku's character the best. I honestly think people prefer the idea of the next generation than they would its actual execution. I don't recall ever seeing a series that was as good or better after changing main characters.

You chose Bra, but we don't really know anything about her. At least Trunks there's a familiarity with him and an emotional connection. The stories can just build on that.

But that younger body brings a different (or changed) VA, takes out the "cool factor" of his muscular adult body, and removes the humor of Goku's innocence as an adult.

I just don't agree. GT, more so than the Buu saga, was the moment where they had to move on from him. His strength is legendary at this point, we know his story, all knots were tied regarding his background, etc etc. I honestly don't see the series flopping anymore than it did with him in it if it focused on another character.

That is precisely why I chose Bra. We don't know anything about her. Same with Uub. So with GT, we could.

And like Doctor. wrote, the new Naruto manga is an example of how to make it work. Why? Because they're not excluding Naruto or Sasuke from the story. They're there, and they have prominent roles. However, there are also new leads. I'm loving it. The reason it doesn't work in other series, such as Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, Tenchi GXP, and 2nd season Digimon, for example, is because the characters we have invested time on are not present AT ALL, except for some guest appearance episodes. That's not what I want.

[ABED]

Financially it would've done okay perhaps, though as we saw with GT, putting DB on it doesn't automatically means success. I wasn't even talking about monetary success, i mean in terms of creatively, what series has been the better or as good with a different main character after a long time central character leaves in some form? It's no coincidence that the Buu arc is my least favorite arc in all of DB. The Office, Dukes of Hazard, That 70s Show, Happy Days, X-Files, etc. weren't better off when their lead characters left.

That is precisely why I chose Bra. We don't know anything about her. Same with Uub. So with GT, we could.

They could add them, but I dont' see the benefit of radically changing cast. New isn't always better. I'd rather not have such a radical shift of cast. I'm fine with new characters, but i still need familiar characters which is why at least in theory, Trunks, Pan, and Goku was a solid idea. Goku stays the main character, we get the next generation with Pan, and you have Trunks as the tech person. Not only that, we could've seen a Trunks we've never seen before, instead of Future Trunks in terrible costume. I have little interest in watching a DB show about Uub, Pan, and Bra. As much as people claim that Goku was complete, good writers can always find new things to explore with familiar characters.

How do you have a show called Naruto and not have Naruto as the main character?

JJBA

What's JJBA?

[Doctor.]

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. I haven't read too much, but it's a series with multiple fairly lengthy parts (currently on part 8, I believe?), that follow the family tree of one individual.

[FortuneSSJ]

No. I liked the idea of Goku becoming kid again and still being OP.
Scenes where the villains would wonder how a "Kid" like him had so much power inside him were my favourites.

[ABED]

But that younger body brings a different (or changed) VA, takes out the "cool factor" of his muscular adult body, and removes the humor of Goku's innocence as an adult.

The humor is just different, doesn't have to be worse.

[fadeddreams5]

As much as people claim that Goku was complete, good writers can always find new things to explore with familiar characters.

Good writers could also make a new generation work too. At the same time, they can take the time to find new things to explore from Goku, especially now that he's a teacher. I wouldn't want Goku out of the show by a long shot. I agree that he is Dragon Ball; I don't want him to get the boot altogether, but I'm open to a new set of characters getting significantly more focus at the same time, as long as they're likable and bring something fresh to the table. It's a tough task, but I feel it works better than a sequel series centered around only him... err... in kid's body no less.

How do you have a show called Naruto and not have Naruto as the main character?

I think this is only temporary until they reach a climax. Then, a sequel series will include "Boruto" in the title. That, or they end everything with the upcoming movie.

[ABED]

Good writers could also make a new generation work too. At the same time, they can take the time to find new things to explore from Goku, especially now that he's a teacher. I wouldn't want Goku out of the show by a long shot. I agree that he is Dragon Ball; I don't want him to get the boot altogether, but I'm open to a new set of characters getting significantly more focus at the same time, as long as they're likable and bring something fresh to the table. It's a tough task, but I feel it works better than a sequel series centered around only him... err... in kid's body no less.

Again this seems more like you want the next generation simply because it's the next generation and not necessarily the characters involved. I think Goku is too valuable and interesting to make him simply the teacher. I'll take Goku in a kid's body any day over Uub.

[90sDBZ]

Even though I like GT just fine the way it is, it would have been good if they'd had Kid Goku lose to Baby like he does, but then get turned back into an adult for the rematch. Part of the reason he lost the first fight was because he couldn't maintain SS3 as a Kid. Having him return to the battlefield as an adult just in time to save Pan and Uub would have been awesome. It would have given SS3 one last chance to shine, and then they could have made him achieve SS4 against Super 17 somehow.

[fadeddreams5]

Good writers could also make a new generation work too. At the same time, they can take the time to find new things to explore from Goku, especially now that he's a teacher. I wouldn't want Goku out of the show by a long shot. I agree that he is Dragon Ball; I don't want him to get the boot altogether, but I'm open to a new set of characters getting significantly more focus at the same time, as long as they're likable and bring something fresh to the table. It's a tough task, but I feel it works better than a sequel series centered around only him... err... in kid's body no less.

Again this seems more like you want the next generation simply because it's the next generation and not necessarily the characters involved. I think Goku is too valuable and interesting to make him simply the teacher. I'll take Goku in a kid's body any day over Uub.

Well, yeah. I would have preferred a clean slate with new characters, related to the regular cast, who aren't as OP as them. Fresh start without completely removing the other cast from play. I personally feel the Bebi saga would work better because the characters we are already familiar with would become the enemy.

Of course, this is just a concept. The writing would have to be very good for this to work, and all three characters (Uub, Pan, and Bra) would have to be rewritten. GT, as it is, didn't work, imo. Both execution and concept were flawed.

[GreatSaiyaman3Gou]

I'll take Goku in a kid's body any day over Uub.

Amen, brother. I'll take Goku in any way, any day over Uub.

[ABED]

Both execution and concept were flawed.

I certainly agree that much of the execution is flawed, but the concept is fine - searching the galaxy, not just a planet, for DB's is a fun twist.

It seems what you want is more of a spinoff than anything else. Spinoffs are difficult to do well. You need a new cast of characters that the audience cares about, usually around a familiar group or individual, and that's so rare. Frasier did it very well that you almost forget that he was ever a character on another show, but that's very difficult and none of the characters you mentioned are a Frasier Crane.

[Doctor.]

How could one even have a chance to take Oob over Goku if they don't give the kid a chance.

I'm pretty sure nobody would take Gohan over Goku at the start of part 2 either. But ask them after the Cell arc if they'd want a new arc with Goku or Gohan as the protagonist, and you'd get mixed reactions.

[ABED]

How could one even have a chance to take Oob over Goku if they don't give the kid a chance.

I'm pretty sure nobody would take Gohan over Goku at the start of part 2 either. But ask them after the Cell arc if they'd want a new arc with Goku or Gohan as the protagonist, and you'd get mixed reactions.

While I'm still not in favor of Gohan for Goku, at least we got years to get to know Gohan while another character was the main protagonist. Uub is a complete uknown in an established franchise and I don't think his story is that interesting to begin with. The series with him as the lead would have to have a ompletely different feel, i don't think you could even call it DB. Using the Frasier example, the show felt completely different from Cheers and other than a few passing references to his past, it was a series that could stand on its own, it simply got off to an easier start because people were familiar with the lead character, but even his profession was slightly different.

[Doctor.]

How could one even have a chance to take Oob over Goku if they don't give the kid a chance.

I'm pretty sure nobody would take Gohan over Goku at the start of part 2 either. But ask them after the Cell arc if they'd want a new arc with Goku or Gohan as the protagonist, and you'd get mixed reactions.

While I'm still not in favor of Gohan for Goku, at least we got years to get to know Gohan while another character was the main protagonist. Uub is a complete uknown in an established franchise and I don't think his story is that interesting to begin with. The series with him as the lead would have to have a ompletely different feel, i don't think you could even call it DB. Using the Frasier example, the show felt completely different from Cheers and other than a few passing references to his past, it was a series that could stand on its own, it simply got off to an easier start because people were familiar with the lead character, but even his profession was slightly different.

I don't want Oob to just take the spotlight either, not like "here you go kid, this is your story now" at least. I'd want him to get the same treatment as Gohan but instead actually being a decent sucessor to Goku instead of a fuck-up 24/7.

[ABED]

I'd give that to Pan, not Uub. Even then, I'd rather that be the denouement, as I think the story is Goku's and should be from beginning to end.

I think it's unfair to call Gohan a fuck up.

[Doctor.]

I'd give that to Pan, not Uub. Even then, I'd rather that be the denouement, as I think the story is Goku's and should be from beginning to end.

I think it's unfair to call Gohan a fuck up.

In terms of fighting prowess and ability, I think it's perfectly fair. He has failed most of the time and the times where he was useful, he needed his hand holded.

[ABED]

I'd give that to Pan, not Uub. Even then, I'd rather that be the denouement, as I think the story is Goku's and should be from beginning to end.<br abp="690"><br abp="691">I think it's unfair to call Gohan a fuck up.

<br abp="692"><br abp="693">In terms of fighting prowess and ability, I think it's perfectly fair. He has failed most of the time and the times where he was useful, he needed his hand holded.

He did about as well as anyone not named Goku.

[Doctor.]

I'd give that to Pan, not Uub. Even then, I'd rather that be the denouement, as I think the story is Goku's and should be from beginning to end.<br abp="690"><br abp="691">I think it's unfair to call Gohan a fuck up.

<br abp="692"><br abp="693">In terms of fighting prowess and ability, I think it's perfectly fair. He has failed most of the time and the times where he was useful, he needed his hand holded.

He did about as well as anyone not named Goku.

Then they're all fuck-ups too.