"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TRL]

The only thing worth to chance is erase the stupid "super saiyan god super saiyan" name from existance and just call it ssj god. While the red form starts to be called just saiyan god.

That's actually a really good idea. I agree.

I always preferred toyble's style. There's something off about Oishi's style, especially in the faces and the eyes.
Toyble seems to have really benefited from the practice he got with dragonball heroes. Now he's ready for the real work and both his FnF chapters and this one have really pleased me. I almost forgot I'm not reading original Toriyama work. At least Toriyama work from 20 years ago. His style of dragonball would look much different today.

[Avery]

There's something about the way he draws Goku. His face looks a bit too young. Also for some reason his action panels don't feel intense.

[Rukura]

Other thing that surprised me was the chapter lenght. It was expecting 30+ pages just like ROF manga adaptation and any other monthly manga...
Maybe I didn't found the complete chapter?!

That's because we were never told the full story, which is obvious after this first chapter.

This isn't a complete manga adaptation of Super. This is a tease, like the 'F' chapters. From what I'm looking at, every month, we'll have a short chapter teasing whatever episode is about to air next at that time. Because, don't forget, Super is a weekly series.

This is how they're using the guy that could be drawing more Victory Mission. It's an absolute waste and a damn shame.

Either that, or every month will be a chapter showing content from the episode that already aired 5 or 6 episodes before, because that chapter was not the entire episode.

[FortuneSSJ]

Other thing that surprised me was the chapter lenght. It was expecting 30+ pages just like ROF manga adaptation and any other monthly manga...
Maybe I didn't found the complete chapter?!

That's because we were never told the full story, which is obvious after this first chapter.

This isn't a complete manga adaptation of Super. This is a tease, like the 'F' chapters. From what I'm looking at, every month, we'll have a short chapter teasing whatever episode is about to air next at that time. Because, don't forget, Super is a weekly series.

This is how they're using the guy that could be drawing more Victory Mission. It's an absolute waste and a damn shame.

Doesn't make any sense. Since the anime will end up leaving the manga behind.
We could have the usual 30+ pages chapter and in July the anime will already leave the manga behind, so there's no reason to do this.

Even if they just want to tease us, there's nothing to worry about ratings. A shitty remake like Kai is in top 10 most watched animes every week, getting more ratings that Toei last bet, Toriko. Super with original content will just bomb.

I'm disappointed with this move.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Aw, that's not really a very fair comparison. Terrible quality images and 3 vs. 1.

Here's one I put together that I think is a little fairer.



In these shots, I do think Ooishi's work is nicer, but on the whole, I think Toyotaro is the better artist. He's far better at mimicking Toriyama's style, too.

They both look great, but I like Toyotaro better, I can't explain why, there's just something about it. The only thing I don't like is that he occasionally copies entire panels from the original manga, which I'm guessing he's doing because he lacks confidence. He just needs to be confident and do it himself, he has the talent for it.

[freak27]

So, we will now get the ''Original story'' and the BoG and RoF will become something like alternative stories about the main storyline that Toryiama is currently writting.

It works for me!!! Maybe we can get rid of the Blue Hair and I will be happy!!!

[UpFromTheSkies]

So, we will now get the ''Original story'' and the BoG and RoF will become something like alternative stories about the main storyline that Toryiama is currently writting.

It works for me!!! Maybe we can get rid of the Blue Hair and I will be happy!!!

They're not alternatives.... Super starts off kind of along side of the movies, and expands upon those stories, showing us stuff that happened "off camera", thus developing the characters more. I'm hoping once the story catches up to RoF, they'll use the manga to show us things that happened "off camera" in Super, that would make the manga much more interesting then just a recap or preivew of the anime.

[Hellspawn28]

Super is getting confusing to me. However I think episode 1 will likely explain on what's going on. I would hate it if Dragon Ball Super becomes like a continuity placement fuck up like Urotsukidoji II: Legend of the Demon Womb .

[UpFromTheSkies]

Super is getting confusing to me. However I think episode 1 will likely explain on what's going on. I would hate it if Dragon Ball Super becomes like a continuity placement fuck up like Urotsukidoji II: Legend of the Demon Womb .

No, it's not a fuck up, it fits in with BoG perfectly.

[Hellspawn28]

Beerus is awake while he was still alseep before the events of the film. We even saw him awake up in BOG then quickly go to King Kai's Planet. Not to mention Goku was on King Kai's Planet when it happen.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Beerus is awake while he was still alseep before the events of the film. We even saw him awake up in BOG then quickly go to King Kai's Planet. Not to mention Goku was on King Kai's Planet when it happen.

The scene with Beerus from chapter 1 takes place between his breakfast with Whis and his conversation with the Oracle Fish.

[B]

Hasn't it been stated somewhere that Ooishi's non-DB output has primarily been shoujo work(I believe it may have been extra information in the Dragon Ball SD volumes)? Because seeing her Goku VS Toyotarou's, hers is a lot more "handsome," for lack of a better term. His head/face seems more rugged and chiseled; his expression cuter. Toyotarou's is pretty much a dead-on Toriyama copy.

Thinking back on it, that might be why the manga adaptation of the JSAT seemed off at first glance all those years ago. Similar work was done there.

[Tzigi]

Aw, that's not really a very fair comparison. Terrible quality images and 3 vs. 1.

Here's one I put together that I think is a little fairer.

Spoiler:

In these shots, I do think Ooishi's work is nicer, but on the whole, I think Toyotaro is the better artist. He's far better at mimicking Toriyama's style, too.

We're coming on it from completely different angles. You put several images of Goku together. I lined up every image showing Goku en face in his work clothes and resized them so that his face is the same size. What you did is just a collage, what I did is as objective a comparison as I could come up with. It's 3 vs. 1 because in one chapter there were 3 such images and in the other only 1.

By the way, I purposefully did not express how I feel about the two artists but now I will do it. I can't stand Ooishi's work even more then current Toriyama's work. She makes characters squat and round in all the wrong places. I love Toyotaro much as I loved toyble when he was doing his fanwork. I loved reading all the DBH manga, FnF manga and now I am extremely happy he's the one chosen to do DBS manga. He's not perfect but he's the best Japan is capable of giving us now (the only better option I know of would be some Multiverse cartoonists - Gogeta Jr or Asura for example).

[dbgtFO]

He's not perfect but he's the best Japan is capable of giving us now (the only better option I know of would be some Multiverse cartoonists - Gogeta Jr or Asura for example).

There's also that guy, who made the "what if it was Vegeta that was sent to Earth as a baby instead of Goku?" story.
https://twitter.com/dragongarowLEE/media

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I like dragongarowlee's stuff, but his style is much better suited for material before the Cell Arc IMO. I still like it a lot, but some of the characters from beyond the Freeza Arc feel "off" when I look at them. It would just feel really weird to go back to that for material that's supposed to be in the beyond Buu era.

[Tzigi]

I like dragongarowlee's stuff, but his style is much better suited for material before the Cell Arc IMO. I still like it a lot, but some of the characters from beyond the Freeza Arc feel "off" when I look at them. It would just feel really weird to go back to that for material that's supposed to be in the beyond Buu era.

I second this opinion. dragongarowlee is really good but his drawings of the Buu/Bog/FnF era look weird - as if early "Z" Toriyama drew them. Just check this one (BTW: why on earth didn't he rotate it before putting it on his Twitter?):

It's really well done (for me way better then Ooishi and probably even better then Toyotaro) but it would only fit somewhere before Freeza's defeat.

[Doctor.]

Beerus is awake while he was still alseep before the events of the film. We even saw him awake up in BOG then quickly go to King Kai's Planet. Not to mention Goku was on King Kai's Planet when it happen.

The scene with Beerus from chapter 1 takes place between his breakfast with Whis and his conversation with the Oracle Fish.

I already said that it can't because Bulma is throwing a party and Goten is there, not to mention that Beerus remembers Super Saiyan God BEFORE his conversation with the Oracle Fish, right after he wakes up actually. Also Goku is in Kaio's planet at the start of the movie, too.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Beerus is awake while he was still alseep before the events of the film. We even saw him awake up in BOG then quickly go to King Kai's Planet. Not to mention Goku was on King Kai's Planet when it happen.

The scene with Beerus from chapter 1 takes place between his breakfast with Whis and his conversation with the Oracle Fish.

I already said that it can't because Bulma is throwing a party and Goten is there, not to mention that Beerus remembers Super Saiyan God BEFORE his conversation with the Oracle Fish, right after he wakes up actually. Also Goku is in Kaio's planet at the start of the movie, too.

No, it all fits

->Goku gets a job farming and gets money from Mr Satan
->Beerus wakes up and talks to Whis about his SSG dream
->The Kaioshins discuss Beerus waking up
->Beerus visits a planet scheduled for destruction, is reminded of SSG
->Goku goes to Kaio's planet to train
->Bulma's party begins
->Beerus returns home and talks to the Oracle Fish
->Beerus and Whis travel to Kaio's planet and talk to Goku

[Doctor.]

No, it all fits

-Goku gets a job farming and gets money from Mr Satan
-Beerus wakes up and talks to Whis about his SSG dream
-The Kaioshins discuss Beerus waking up
-Beerus visits a planet scheduled for destruction, is reminded of SSG
-Goku goes to Kaio's planet to train
-Bulma's party begins
-Beerus returns home and talks to the Oracle Fish
-Beerus and Whis travel to Kaio's planet and talk to Goku

It all fits if you switch the order of the events around, otherwise it doesn't. Kaioshin said in BoG, Beerus woke up without destroying any planets.

[UpFromTheSkies]

No, it all fits

-Goku gets a job farming and gets money from Mr Satan
-Beerus wakes up and talks to Whis about his SSG dream
-The Kaioshins discuss Beerus waking up
-Beerus visits a planet scheduled for destruction, is reminded of SSG
-Goku goes to Kaio's planet to train
-Bulma's party begins
-Beerus returns home and talks to the Oracle Fish
-Beerus and Whis travel to Kaio's planet and talk to Goku

It all fits if you switch the order of the events around, otherwise it doesn't.

I didn't switch anything around.

Kaioshin said in BoG, Beerus woke up without destroying any planets.

At the end of the movie? They said he didn't destroy Earth... are you watching a fansub? Maybe it's a bad translation? At the beginning of the movie they discuss Beerus waking up, at the end they discuss how surprised they are that he didn't destroy Earth.