The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dbzfan7]

Piccolo looked fine by the time Shisami came to fight him. Didn't look tired nor really hurt at all. The fight was pretty much even. You could possibly think Shisami is a bit stronger. Hell the fight is so brief you have barely any time to enjoy it.

Man Bardock must be super duper tired after making this look easy.

[SansrivaaL]

This is why I prefer the manga ver than TOEI ver, TOEI made some pretty bad decisions about how the fight should go.

[supercat]

Whether or not the Z-fighters were tired doesn't seem as relevant as where Shisami actually stands in power. I feel the whole thing that spurred the high volume of discussions regarding Piccolo vs Shisami was due to the fact that the Namekian was apparently having a hard time with some mook who was only stated to be Zarbon tier.

Hypothetical battles:
Base Gohan (Cell Games) vs Final Form Frieza 50%
Base Goku (BoG) vs Final Form Frieza 75%

[dbzfan7]

This is why I prefer the manga ver than TOEI ver, TOEI made some pretty bad decisions about how the fight should go.

Manga is definitely better in some places. Krillin's Kienzan did nothing in the movie while in the manga he had a cliff fall on people.

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo looked fine by the time Shisami came to fight him. Didn't look tired nor really hurt at all. The fight was pretty much even. You could possibly think Shisami is a bit stronger. Hell the fight is so brief you have barely any time to enjoy it.

Man Bardock must be super duper tired after making this look easy.

Then why take a Senzu Bean then? Shisami barely hurt him.

[supercat]

Regardless of if Piccolo was tired or not, it still seems extremely plausible for him to still be able to casually take down some Zarbon tier weakling. The only way I could see the Namekian losing to someone at that level is if he was either half dead or so exhausted that he could barely walk. I'm not discrediting the fact that Piccolo was burnt-out, but despite being overwhelmed by exhaustion during his fight with 17, he still seemed fine against the Android. Therefore, even if we factor in stamina as a variable, it seems unlikely that Piccolo would struggle with some Zarbon level mook. I could see the depletion of energy affecting a fighter's performance against an opponent who is relatively close in power, but we all know how far below Zarbon is compared to Piccolo at this point. For these reasons, I believe that Shisami possibly trained and has massively increased his battle power as a result.

[dbzfan7]

Piccolo looked fine by the time Shisami came to fight him. Didn't look tired nor really hurt at all. The fight was pretty much even. You could possibly think Shisami is a bit stronger. Hell the fight is so brief you have barely any time to enjoy it.

Man Bardock must be super duper tired after making this look easy.

Then why take a Senzu Bean then? Shisami barely hurt him.

1. They need every little bit of strength against Freeza anyways
2. To make it look like the fight was harder than it really was. It's just like when Superman gets knocked on his ass whole bunch of times, despite even while holding back he still wouldn't have so much trouble on lesser foes. We've seen Bardock and Goku plow through respective armies no problem without tiring, til someone who is actually powerful can do something. In the manga they don't even need Senzu's. It's a story trick to make something that's really easy, look harder than it was. Gohan is flat out admitted to be able to solo it all if he wanted too. That one moment with Gohan pressure pointing everyone, where everyone is motionless in his view, is literally what the entire fight would be considering the overwhelming gap difference.

Regardless of if Piccolo was tired or not, it still seems extremely plausible for him to still be able to casually take down some Zarbon tier weakling. The only way I could see the Namekian losing to someone at that level is if he was either half dead or so exhausted that he could barely walk. I'm not discrediting the fact that Piccolo was burnt-out, but despite being overwhelmed by exhaustion during his fight with 17, he still seemed fine against the Android. Therefore, even if we factor in stamina as a variable, it seems unlikely that Piccolo would struggle with some Zarbon level mook. I could see the depletion of energy affecting a fighter's performance against an opponent who is relatively close in power, but we all know how far below Zarbon is compared to Piccolo at this point. For these reasons, I believe that Shisami possibly trained and has massively increased his battle power as a result.

I go with the simple answer of, they fucked up. They so clearly didn't think or care about consistency, they just did whatever they want. Hence Freeza making a deal out of 1.3 million. This has nothing to do with being consistent. What was on the mind was them thinking that was a big number, and that's it. They don't care about power level or gap accuracy. They do whatever they think is cool, and that's pretty much it. Only consistency thought they try for is story consistency, and nothing else. I have no reason to make shit up for LOLPOWERLEVLZ cause that's not what the story told me. I look at it from an empty point of view. No backstory consistency to interfere and have me make up excuses. I go with what the story said.

[ZombieVito]

Regardless of if Piccolo was tired or not, it still seems extremely plausible for him to still be able to casually take down some Zarbon tier weakling. The only way I could see the Namekian losing to someone at that level is if he was either half dead or so exhausted that he could barely walk. I'm not discrediting the fact that Piccolo was burnt-out, but despite being overwhelmed by exhaustion during his fight with 17, he still seemed fine against the Android. Therefore, even if we factor in stamina as a variable, it seems unlikely that Piccolo would struggle with some Zarbon level mook. I could see the depletion of energy affecting a fighter's performance against an opponent who is relatively close in power, but we all know how far below Zarbon is compared to Piccolo at this point. For these reasons, I believe that Shisami possibly trained and has massively increased his battle power as a result.

Oh yeah, Shisami is not Zarbon level on Earth.

No way he didn't train but I do think a fresh Piccolo can one shot him.

[pacz360]

Piccolo looked fine by the time Shisami came to fight him. Didn't look tired nor really hurt at all. The fight was pretty much even. You could possibly think Shisami is a bit stronger. Hell the fight is so brief you have barely any time to enjoy it.

Man Bardock must be super duper tired after making this look easy.

Then why take a Senzu Bean then? Shisami barely hurt him.

1. They need every little bit of strength against Freeza anyways
2. To make it look like the fight was harder than it really was. It's just like when Superman gets knocked on his ass whole bunch of times, despite even while holding back he still wouldn't have so much trouble on lesser foes. We've seen Bardock and Goku plow through respective armies no problem without tiring, til someone who is actually powerful can do something. In the manga they don't even need Senzu's. It's a story trick to make something that's really easy, look harder than it was. Gohan is flat out admitted to be able to solo it all if he wanted too. That one moment with Gohan pressure pointing everyone, where everyone is motionless in his view, is literally what the entire fight would be considering the overwhelming gap difference.

Regardless of if Piccolo was tired or not, it still seems extremely plausible for him to still be able to casually take down some Zarbon tier weakling. The only way I could see the Namekian losing to someone at that level is if he was either half dead or so exhausted that he could barely walk. I'm not discrediting the fact that Piccolo was burnt-out, but despite being overwhelmed by exhaustion during his fight with 17, he still seemed fine against the Android. Therefore, even if we factor in stamina as a variable, it seems unlikely that Piccolo would struggle with some Zarbon level mook. I could see the depletion of energy affecting a fighter's performance against an opponent who is relatively close in power, but we all know how far below Zarbon is compared to Piccolo at this point. For these reasons, I believe that Shisami possibly trained and has massively increased his battle power as a result.

I go with the simple answer of, they fucked up. They so clearly didn't think or care about consistency, they just did whatever they want. Hence Freeza making a deal out of 1.3 million. This has nothing to do with being consistent. What was on the mind was them thinking that was a big number, and that's it. They don't care about power level or gap accuracy. They do whatever they think is cool, and that's pretty much it. Only consistency thought they try for is story consistency, and nothing else. I have no reason to make shit up for LOLPOWERLEVLZ cause that's not what the story told me. I look at it from an empty point of view. No backstory consistency to interfere and have me make up excuses. I go with what the story said.

I agree The fight had lack any consistency whatsoever i mean honestly krillin or even tien could take fnf soldiers by themselves

[supercat]

Buuhan vs Hirudegarn and Janemba
Base Vegetto vs Hirudegarn and Janemba
Super Perfect Cell vs Luud (Level 3)
Super Perfect Cell vs Ledgic

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Buuhan vs Hirudegarn and Janemba
Base Vegetto vs Hirudegarn and Janemba
Super Perfect Cell vs Luud (Level 3)
Super Perfect Cell vs Ledgic

-Janemba dies in the crossfire. Gohan-Buu and Hirudegarn are probably close in power, so Buu wins due to infinite stamina and haxed regeneration, coupled with array of techniques and a more tactical fighting mind.
-Janemba is single shotted, Vegetto puts up a fight against Hirudegarn but ultimately loses unless he uses a Final Flash or something.
-Luud finger flicks him.
-Same as above. I don't see SPC pushing BoGT Goku to use Super Saiyan.

[supercat]

Buuhan vs Hirudegarn and Janemba
Base Vegetto vs Hirudegarn and Janemba
Super Perfect Cell vs Luud (Level 3)
Super Perfect Cell vs Ledgic

-Janemba dies in the crossfire. Gohan-Buu and Hirudegarn are probably close in power, so Buu wins due to infinite stamina and haxed regeneration, coupled with array of techniques and a more tactical fighting mind.
-Janemba is single shotted, Vegetto puts up a fight against Hirudegarn but ultimately loses unless he uses a Final Flash or something.
-Luud finger flicks him.
-Same as above. I don't see SPC pushing BoGT Goku to use Super Saiyan.

Although Movie 13 takes place after the Buu arc, I feel it'd be extremely hard for SSJ3 Goku to tank hits from a Buuhan level opponent, and still have the energy to fight back with full force. While I'm not certain about the boost of power that Goku gains from Dragon Fist, it seems like a major jump for him to be able to actually finish off a being who wields a power close to Buuhan's at that point.

Thoughts on this one?

GT Piccolo vs GT Base Vegeta (Super 17 arc)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Buuhan vs Hirudegarn and Janemba
Base Vegetto vs Hirudegarn and Janemba
Super Perfect Cell vs Luud (Level 3)
Super Perfect Cell vs Ledgic

-Janemba dies in the crossfire. Gohan-Buu and Hirudegarn are probably close in power, so Buu wins due to infinite stamina and haxed regeneration, coupled with array of techniques and a more tactical fighting mind.
-Janemba is single shotted, Vegetto puts up a fight against Hirudegarn but ultimately loses unless he uses a Final Flash or something.
-Luud finger flicks him.
-Same as above. I don't see SPC pushing BoGT Goku to use Super Saiyan.

Although Movie 13 takes place after the Buu arc, I feel it'd be extremely hard for SSJ3 Goku to tank hits from a Buuhan level opponent, and still have the energy to fight back with full force. While I'm not certain about the boost of power that Goku gains from Dragon Fist, it seems like a major jump for him to be able to actually finish off a being who wields a power close to Buuhan's at that point.

Thoughts on this one?

GT Piccolo vs GT Base Vegeta (Super 17 arc)

Goku was haxed, like he was in the anime. Goku in the anime was somewhat keeping up with Gotenks-Buu. Besides Hirudegarn one-shotted Ultimate Gohan.

Piccolo wins. Piccolo >> HF17 ~ Base Vegeta

[Lord Beerus]

GT Piccolo vs GT Base Vegeta (Super 17 arc)

Vegeta. Purely for the fact he has more feats under his belt in GT than Piccolo does.

[TheGmGoken]

Batman with prep and the fact that he's Batman vs Beerus

[supercat]

Goku was haxed, like he was in the anime. Goku in the anime was somewhat keeping up with Gotenks-Buu. Besides Hirudegarn one-shotted Ultimate Gohan.

Piccolo wins. Piccolo >> HF17 ~ Base Vegeta

The way Goku was seen fighting Buutenks would almost make people think that Gotenks Buu = Kid Buu or SSJ3 Goku = Ultimate Gohan.

I agree with GT Piccolo being above Base Vegeta (Super 17 arc). I've always assumed that Vegeta kept his Baby power up, as this was strongly implied during his fight against Super 17. His performance was far above that of Majuub's, and seeing how powerful the former Majin was in the Baby arc, Vegeta would likely had to have retained the power he gained from Baby.

GT Piccolo vs GT Base Vegeta (Super 17 arc)

Vegeta. Purely for the fact he has more feats under his belt in GT than Piccolo does.

Although not shown, it's very likely that Piccolo conquered all of the villains down in hell. This includes powerful fighters like HF#17, Rild, and Super Perfect Cell. Yes, Vegeta has displayed a far more impressive arsenal of feats, but if we go by power scaling in conjunction with the subtle implications given throughout the series, it seems very plausible to place GT Piccolo over GT Base Vegeta (Super 17 arc).

More battles:
GT Piccolo vs GT SSJ Gohan (before Baby possessed him)
Sorbet vs Nappa
Dodoria vs Mr. Popo (equal power, unlimited stamina)
GT Piccolo vs Super Baby Vegeta
Captain Ginyu vs Dabura (no special abilities, equal power, unlimited stamina)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Giran (no gum) vs. Ranfan
Yamcha (23rd) vs. Old Piccolo Daimao
EoZ Bra vs. EoZ Pan

[ZombieVito]

Giran (no gum) vs. Ranfan
Yamcha (23rd) vs. Old Piccolo Daimao
EoZ Bra vs. EoZ Pan

Giran.
Piccolo.
Pan.

[fadeddreams5]

GT Piccolo vs GT Base Vegeta (Super 17 arc)

I say Piccolo wins. First of all, he's actually able to tap into his full potential in this fight. Secondly, he's been implied to have improved tremendously, given the fact that he acts as a guardian in hell towards the end of GT.

Batman with prep and the fact that he's Batman vs Beerus

Even with prep, there's nothing Batman can do; Beerus has no weaknesses. I mean, there's his appetite for exotic (to him) foods, but it's clearly been shown that poisons have no effect on him, so Batman can't exploit this. No amount of atomic bombs would be able to vaporize him during his sleep either, and even if that's the case, Whis' job is to protect him against that. Batman has no hope.

More battles:
GT Piccolo vs GT SSJ Gohan (before Baby possessed him)
Sorbet vs Nappa
Dodoria vs Mr. Popo (equal power, unlimited stamina)
GT Piccolo vs Super Baby Vegeta
Captain Ginyu vs Dabura (no special abilities, equal power, unlimited stamina)

-GT SSJ Gohan wins.

-I think Sorbet wins. He may look small, but I doubt some weakling would be able to take control of Frieza's army just like that. Even if he's not physically stronger, the guy seems clever enough to outsmart Nappa. But it's tough to call.

-Super Baby Vegeta annihilates GT Piccolo.

- Dabura wins. I assume the king of demons has thousands of years of experience in combat.

[supercat]

Giran (no gum) vs. Ranfan
Yamcha (23rd) vs. Old Piccolo Daimao
EoZ Bra vs. EoZ Pan

-Giran takes this
-King Piccolo still crushes Yamcha. Even if they weren't that far off from each other in terms of power, King Piccolo's vile and ruthless nature would prevent him from losing to some weakling pushover like Yamcha. Combine all of that with Yamcha's careless know-it-all tendencies, and we have yet again another embarrassing moment for Yamcha.
-EoZ Pan

New battle:

Pui Pui vs Cui (equal power)