"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[shinmaru]

I dont really mind it if TOEI rushes or finishes DBS in 12-24eps as long as the manga will continue or even a novel ver of it. When it comes to DB I prefer the manga anyways. I'm more hyped about the manga than the anime tbh.

I prefer the Anime over the Manga because I feel like the Anime is better for experiencing the fights, the manga is good for the story.
And the animation for Super isn't the best but if they can keep it consistent without extremely ugly animated episodes, I'm good.

I gave up on this

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The art isn't the problem for me I think the problem are the shading and the bright clean colors.

I liked the Ultimate Tenkaichi opening animation, especially the dark coloring tones they used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PHyGPjlk8k Some of heroes PV where good too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL5ff_yQHZw

[soulnova]

Kei, Julian, what are the comments from the Japanese fans? How are their discussions going? I tried to follow some people on twitter but google translation can only do so much...

[Makai]

Does anyone else hate how Champa's suppose to be fat, but his arms are so scrawny?

And it's very frustrating and confusing if they're really gonna retell the movies, but I don't think I'll mind too much, as long as it has a better story, and doesn't go on for too long.

[Lord Frieza]

I bet the reason Champa looks the way he dose is because he discovered pudding years ago and now dosent eat anything else.

[Marco Polo]

Does anyone else hate how Champa's suppose to be fat, but his arms are so scrawny?

http://www.msn.com/en-au/health/medical ... ar-BBjewl7

That look is all the rage these days

[Lord Frieza]

Does anyone else hate how Champa's suppose to be fat, but his arms are so scrawny?

http://www.msn.com/en-au/health/medical ... ar-BBjewl7

That look is all the rage these days

In that case Champa must be a real hit with the ladies

[shinmaru]

Does anyone else hate how Champa's suppose to be fat, but his arms are so scrawny?

And it's very frustrating and confusing if they're really gonna retell the movies, but I don't think I'll mind too much, as long as it has a better story, and doesn't go on for too long.

Fat Buu arms are scrawny too,you know. I think it would be funny to see Champa get picked on by Beerus because he's fat and lost a piece of his tail in battle.

[jjgp1112]

It wouldn't surprise me if the reason Super seems to be a retelling of the Gods storylines is so that GT can still fit in the anime continuity.

[Ushabtis]

How is he a Gary Stu?

I don't know goku is getting up there in the Stu Tier.
-Beerus, super powerful guy that could easily defeat him, known to kill everything, becomes friends with Goku
-praised by a near immortal thats been living for along times, calls goku on of the best he as ever seen.
-most powerful character in the shows main cast, always gets the fancy power ups first.
-gets to defeat the main villain even though other characters could do it just as well. (see ROF ending)
-etc.
I know these aren't unforgivable crimes, for me Goku as been entering the "gary Stu tier" since early/mid Buu saga. I just hope they don't go farther down the rabbit hole with his "awesomeness".

I mean, there's nothing stopping them from writing material within other parts of the established timeline

Kinda wished we got to see the 7 year gap between Cell Saga and Buu. It'd be cool to see gohan and goten grow up, See vegeta be more mellow and be a dad to trunks. (iirc vegeta said he'd take trunks to an amusement park) See a villain pop up just to have a cool fight (no where near as strong as cell, something like "Goku and friends return" special villain like that, no threat just fun to see them use their powers.)

-RE: GT
I really don't see the writers really caring about the canon of GT. They'll write what fits for super not gt. I mean They'd really have to write themselves into a smaller corner if they want GT to fit, no Super saiyan god super saiyan, no alternate dimension gods, and bunch of other stuff just to make GT still work.

[dbzfan7]

I don't know goku is getting up there in the Stu Tier.
-Beerus, super powerful guy that could easily defeat him, known to kill everything, becomes friends with Goku
-praised by a near immortal thats been living for along times, calls goku on of the best he as ever seen.
-most powerful character in the shows main cast, always gets the fancy power ups first.
-gets to defeat the main villain even though other characters could do it just as well. (see ROF ending)
-etc.
I know these aren't unforgivable crimes, for me Goku as been entering the "gary Stu tier" since early/mid Buu saga. I just hope they don't go farther down the rabbit hole with his "awesomeness".

I don't think that's sue stuff. However right now I feel we're really not that different from GT when it comes to character utilization.

[FortuneSSJ]

I've gotta say as much as I love DB, the decisions they make about the story and it's inconsistencies with the original manga and now even their own other new material is a headache.

Well, if this ain't the truth. All the others series I love and follow, don't give me the headaches that Dragon Ball is giving these last years. The decisions they are making always makes me question myself if its the right move.

[dbgtFO]

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The art isn't the problem for me I think the problem are the shading and the bright clean colors.

Does anyone here know, if those two shots were done by the same guy?

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Yes, sir. Tadayoshi Yamamuro was the animation supervisor for episode #168. Yamamuro was the director and chief animation supervisor for Resurrection 'F', as he has been for the franchise for past 22 years. The problem with him is that his mindset has been stuck with 90s. He hasn't changed the way he composite the key frames or change the angles to make the frames look interesting. Naotoshi Shida, Toshikyi Kan'no, Takeo Ide, Naoki Tate all have changed to keep up with the animation revolution, which is why we got tired of Yamamuro being the Toei guy when it comes to Dragon Ball.

[dbgtFO]

Yes, sir. Tadayoshi Yamamuro was the animation supervisor for episode #168.

Much appreaciated!
He really was at his best back then.. the art direction he's taken the franchise in since, is really not to my liking, ah well..

[Marco Polo]

I hate the way they draw triangular shadows on the cheeks nowadays. These don't make any sense

That shadow on Goku's nose is also weird.

[Doctor.]

I hate the noses most of all, it just looks so weird and flat.

[Ajay]

If you want something that'll really bug you, here's a little thing Kei17 pointed out on Twitter the other week:

https://twitter.com/M1120A/status/610409355616219136
https://twitter.com/M1120A/status/610431259261534209

They don't highlight the facial structure properly like they used to. It used to angle in at the cheek, defining the face nicely, but now it's just a regular curve that leaves everyone looking a little flat. It's sad really, I noticed Uchiyama used to mess this up back in the day, too. Not entirely sure how Yamamuro unlearnt something like this.

Oh well, it's fine. I don't really have a massive issue with how things look these days. It's only the rounded noses that bug me to the point of distraction. It's such a far cry from the older designs, and especially compared to anything Toriyama ever drew.

I think Shida is the only one who, when given the opportunity, will draw characters in a way that feels like a natural evolution from what was found in Z:



You only have to look at his work on the Ultimate Tenkaichi intro to see that!

[Metalwario64]

I gave up on this

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The art isn't the problem for me I think the problem are the shading and the bright clean colors.

The Resurrection F shot looks very flat. The way the brow ridge isn't connected to his eyebrows makes it look as if it's just drawn on his face, and it also lacks proper shading to convey its shape and depth. Also, his nose looks like it was carved out of wood. The shading is also not very well done.

Also, I haven't seen the movie, but it also looks like he's slightly looking to the side, and I don't know if that's intentional or not.

If you want something that'll really bug you, here's a little thing Kei17 pointed out on Twitter the other week:

https://twitter.com/M1120A/status/610409355616219136
https://twitter.com/M1120A/status/610431259261534209

They don't highlight the facial structure properly like they used to. It used to angle in at the cheek, defining the face nicely, but now it's just a regular curve that leaves everyone looking a little flat. It's sad really, I noticed Uchiyama used to mess this up back in the day, too. Not entirely sure how Yamamuro unlearnt something like this.

I saw that too when I first found out about kei17s Twitter due to the recent Podcast discussing Super. The modern way makes their faces look very bubbly, and the overall roundness doesn't help. Even when Toriyama's (or Dragon Ball as a whole in this case) style was rounder, it still had some edges and definition to it. Now everything is just round, bubbly and soft. It certainly doesn't fit an action series like Dragon Ball.

[Marco Polo]

I saw that too when I first found out about kei17s Twitter due to the recent Podcast discussing Super. The modern way makes their faces look very bubbly, and the overall roundness doesn't help. Even when Toriyama's (or Dragon Ball as a whole in this case) style was rounder, it still had some edges and definition to it. Now everything is just round, bubbly and soft. It certainly doesn't fit an action series like Dragon Ball.

Agreed. It's especially notable on Vegeta, who usually had much sharper features and who looks way too "round" now.

IMO the full Saiyan armor also doesn't help, as it adds even more visual "rounds" to his appearance. In the Buu Saga he was wearing a mere jumpsuit but he still looked badass and imposing due to his sharp features and muscles.

[Ajay]

Tried playing around on my own. Left has my alterations, the right is the original.



I'm sure there's more (and better) ways to alter the image to match our expectations, but I thought it was quite an interesting result. Something still looks off, but I can't quite place it. I'd like to try playing around with the width of the face, but I'm not too sure exactly how I want to make it look.