Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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by Chuquita » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:37 pm
Big Momma wrote:Tennessaiyan wrote:
Best comparison pic I could find of Trunks' jacket collar not completely popped, and a bigger, bleh-quality pic of Vegeta's new jacket. I wonder if it is supposed to be a jean jacket or just a collared button-up? If it's the same style of Future Trunks' jacket, that would be incredible. Not sure how Vegeta would look in a bolero-cut jacket though :/ I'm gonna draw that and see how it turns out xD
Vegeta's jacket looks more like a blue version of his "Badman" button-up.
That's what I thought of too. I want to guess it's one of those.
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by pacz360 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:39 pm
as others said in this thread we not saying goku should be gone forever but we want others like gohan, piccolo,vegeta tien,krillin get their time and spotlight also for guys uub and pan too last thing fans need is to feel like they're watching GT all over again.
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by GokuRules987 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:41 pm
Man I just want the series to be fun, you don't have to change something that ain't broken. If Toei listened to Goku complainers, then they would have made some earthling kid the main character in the story and Goku would get little to no screening time.
Goku is like Superman he should be the only character that matters(because hes very powerful), he should be the only character that saves the day and defeats all evil! And he should be the only character that 80 percent of the entire episode should be focused at too.
Why? Because all Z fighters are now fodders, Krillin is a fodder,Piccolo is a fodder, Tien is a fodder,Yamcha is a fodder,Gohan is a fodder,Goten is a fodder, Majin Buu is a fodder, Uub is a fodder, Roshi is a fodder, Mr.Satan is a fodder and all the past villains are fodders that I don't care about anymore.
On the other hand characters like Vegeta, Beerus, Whis, Champa and Female Whis are the characters that I am highly interested in and I hope that all the scenes in DBS that wont have Goku in there should be focused on them only!
And If I wanted some slice of life I would have rather read some DBZ fan fiction of Goku and Vegeta working in Mcdonald's or baby sitting trunks and Goten while Bulma and Chichi go shopping.
Thats why after 2-3 episodes Dragon ball Super needs to give us our next villain or threat that Goku will be fighting against. Otherwise it will get boring.
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by pacz360 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:08 pm
GokuRules987 wrote:Man I just want the series to be fun, you don't have to change something that ain't broken. If Toei listened to Goku complainers, then they would have made some earthling kid the main character in the story and Goku would get little to no screening time.
Goku is like Superman he should be the only character that matters(because hes very powerful), he should be the only character that saves the day and defeats all evil! And he should be the only character that 80 percent of the entire episode should be focused at too.
Why? Because all Z fighters are now fodders, Krillin is a fodder,Piccolo is a fodder, Tenshinhan is a fodder,Yamcha is a fodder,Gohan is a fodder,Goten is a fodder, Majin Buu is a fodder, Uub is a fodder, Roshi is a fodder, Mr.Satan is a fodder and all the past villains are fodders that I don't care about anymore.
On the other hand characters like Vegeta, Beerus, Whis, Champa and Female Whis are the characters that I am highly interested in and I hope that all the scenes in DBS that wont have Goku in there should be focused on them only!
And If I wanted some slice of life I would have rather read some DBZ fan fiction of Goku and Vegeta working in Mcdonald's or baby sitting trunks and Goten while Bulma and Chichi go shopping.
Thats why after 2-3 episodes Dragon ball Super needs to give us our next villain or threat that Goku will be fighting against. Otherwise it will get boring.
They did something like that and its called GT. Goku shouldn't be the only that matters not every fan watch db so that goku saves the day while the others do nothing. Hell even if the cast is not as strong as him and vegeta you could have henchmens of the villains fight them give them something to do.
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by Ushabtis » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:15 pm
GokuRules987 wrote:Why? Because all Z fighters are now fodders, Krillin is a fodder,Piccolo is a fodder, Tenshinhan is a fodder,Yamcha is a fodder,Gohan is a fodder,Goten is a fodder, Majin Buu is a fodder, Uub is a fodder, Roshi is a fodder, Mr.Satan is a fodder and all the past villains are fodders that I don't care about anymore
apart from Gohan the newest member of team fodder, all of those guys have been fodder since forever. except Satan, he's the strongest character in the show and saves the earth all the time.
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by FortuneSSJ » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:22 pm
Ushabtis wrote:GokuRules987 wrote:Why? Because all Z fighters are now fodders, Krillin is a fodder,Piccolo is a fodder, Tenshinhan is a fodder,Yamcha is a fodder,Gohan is a fodder,Goten is a fodder, Majin Buu is a fodder, Uub is a fodder, Roshi is a fodder, Mr.Satan is a fodder and all the past villains are fodders that I don't care about anymore
apart from Gohan the newest member of team fodder, all of those guys have been fodder since forever.
You never watched DB, neither Cell arc.
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by Tennessaiyan » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:26 pm
Big Momma wrote:Tennessaiyan wrote:
Vegeta's jacket looks more like a blue version of his "Badman" button-up.
I wonder if this one says "Goodman" on the back?
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by Ushabtis » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:29 pm
FortuneSSJ wrote:You never watched DB, neither Cell arc.
DB is what i meant with i said the "since forever" part. and Cell saga? they all didn't do jack. They all got fancy upgrades just to show off Cell's strength and get beaten
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by UltimateHammerBro » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:36 pm
Tennessaiyan wrote:Big Momma wrote:Tennessaiyan wrote:
Vegeta's jacket looks more like a blue version of his "Badman" button-up.
I wonder if this one says "Goodman" on the back?
Maybe "Godman". Both Engrish and pun.
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by FortuneSSJ » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:36 pm
Ushabtis wrote:and Cell saga? they all didn't do jack. They all got fancy upgrades just to show off Cell's strength and get beaten
Piccolo was still the strongest for a couple episodes.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:41 pm
FortuneSSJ wrote:Ushabtis wrote:and Cell saga? they all didn't do jack. They all got fancy upgrades just to show off Cell's strength and get beaten
Piccolo was still the strongest for a couple episodes.
Αnd all he did was make the Dragon Balls disappear, and help Cell find #17 & #18 easily... Oh, and a cool fight with #17.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by FortuneSSJ » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:44 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Αnd all he did was make the Dragon Balls disappear, and help Cell find #17 & #18 easily... Oh, and a cool fight with #17.
He was the only that could keep up with them. And all of that proves he's not a fodder since forever(DB).
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:46 pm
FortuneSSJ wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Αnd all he did was make the Dragon Balls disappear, and help Cell find #17 & #18 easily... Oh, and a cool fight with #17.
And all of that proves he's not a fodder since forever.
He was still useless & just got beaten in the end.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by GokuRules987 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:47 pm
pacz360 wrote:
They did something like that and its called GT. Goku shouldn't be the only that matters not every fan watch db so that goku saves the day while the others do nothing. Hell even if the cast is not as strong as him and vegeta you could have henchmens of the villains fight them give them something to do.
I dont like GT because they turned Goku into a kid and made SSJ4 too weak by having him struggle lifting a city block even though Goku in SSJ3 was able to shake planet.
GT is too inconsistent and there is no SSJGOD mention ever.
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by FortuneSSJ » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:51 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
He was still useless & just got beaten in the end.
When they met the Z Fighters in Kame House, C17 was ready to kill them if they didn't tell where Goku was.
Piccolo challenged them, bought time and everyone in that island lived.
Your definition of useless is wrong.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:58 pm
FortuneSSJ wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
He was still useless & just got beaten in the end.
When they met the Z Fighters in Kame House, C17 was ready to kill them if they didn't tell where Goku was.
Piccolo challenged them, bought time and everyone in that island lived.
Your definition of useless is wrong.
Even if they had died, they would just bring them back to life in the end.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by FortuneSSJ » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:03 pm
That's true, but Piccolo was still useful anyway.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:08 pm
FortuneSSJ wrote:That's true, but Piccolo was still useful anyway.
He failed to kill Cell when he could, wasn't strong enough to kill #17, helped Cell to track down the Artificial Humans through his fights, got his ass kicked by a Cell Jr., and never managed to catch up to the Super Saiyans. The only useful thing he did after merging with Kami was teach Goten & Trunks Fusion 7 years later.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by pacz360 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:14 pm
GokuRules987 wrote:pacz360 wrote:
They did something like that and its called GT. Goku shouldn't be the only that matters not every fan watch db so that goku saves the day while the others do nothing. Hell even if the cast is not as strong as him and vegeta you could have henchmens of the villains fight them give them something to do.
I dont like GT because they turned Goku into a kid and made SSJ4 too weak by having him struggle lifting a city block even though Goku in SSJ3 was able to shake planet.
GT is too inconsistent and there is no SSJGOD mention ever.
Well GT was made before bog was even a thought in AT mind but my point is goku shouldn't have all spotlight on him hell even his voice actor doesn't want the show to be all on him.
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by Ushabtis » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:38 pm
pacz360 wrote:hell even his voice actor doesn't want the show to be all on him.
speaking of Goku's VA, she really getting up there in years. Wonder if she'll be able to keep up with Super? I mean she's voicing half the main cast being the goku family. All the shouting and stuff. I know its her job to be goku but man going from all of Kai to Super, that's lot for anyone. Also it will be weird when she retires from DBZ...
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