"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[fexus]

I'm really getting tired of this. Why are you guys making out your speculations to be pure facts. We don't know any of the timeline placement in Super except the part where Super will officially start 6 months after Majin Buu's defeat. That's about it. There's no time placement to see when Beerus woke up in Super nor when Goku turn SSG. I'm really fine with speculations but seeing you guys believe what you guys say is really true is kind of annoying.

The first episode is said to take place 6 months after Buu's defeat. Beerus is awake in the first chapter of Super. An episode usually covers more content than one chapter so the content of that one chapter will likely be in the first episode. Beerus wasn't awake 6 months after Buu's defeat. He didn't wake until 4 years after it.

It's certainly not factual, but it's highly likely at this point.

And this is where the fan speculations begin. Firstly, the anime doesn't have to follow the manga as seen in RoF. Secondly, maybe there is a shot of Beerus being awake but it doesn't show any context of what the time is (at least that's what the manga feels like to me). As I said pure speculation. Nothing and I mean nothing as of now support any of the speculations you guys are making. Until they show concrete proof that they are retconning the hell out of the movie, please don't make out your speculations as pure facts.

[Captain Space]

That's just as bad as small retcons. They're throwing away a bunch of existing content in order to make it fit the time line for the series. My issue is that THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. They could've easily started the series after the two movies, which is an infinitely better choice IMO than completely retconning previous material.

Again, that'd confuse people who haven't seen the movies. Sure, if you do five seconds of research you can find out that it goes original series > BoG > RF, but a lot of people wouldn't do that; they'd just sit down to watch the new Dragon Ball series, and have no idea what the hell is going on because they didn't see the movies.

Of course, the solution could just have been to air the movies on TV before starting Super properly, in the same timeslot (either extended episodes or break it up over multiple weeks)...

[Bullza]

I'm not opposed to a complete retelling of Bog and RoF but it does strike me as a very odd decision!

It's actually quite a surprising one.

It's a stupid one if true.

*Makes two new highly successful movies that bring the franchises popularity back in a significant way = Retells them and makes movies irrelevant and non canon like Path to Power.

It's too stupid of an idea to actually be possible right?

[Avery]

Except it's not a blank slate. It never was once BoGs was released. I'm not just going to ignore content because a new series happened to be inspired by the movies. They had a much easier option to go with (start the series after the movies) and chose to ignore it and instead retcon every little thing they can in order to make this fit. If they had no better option then I'd understand, but they had a much better option at hand and chose not to take it.

It's ridiculous.

It's really only one big retcon. Which is "none of that happened, it happened like this instead" and then making the details fit the story rather than forcing the new story to fit the old details.

Which makes more sense than relying on every single mass-market, super-casual "OMG NEW DBZ SERIES" viewer to have seen the two new movies.

That's just as bad as small retcons. They're throwing away a bunch of existing content in order to make it fit the time line for the series. My issue is that THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. They could've easily started the series after the two movies, which is an infinitely better choice IMO then completely retconning previous material.

They're basically stuck there. Unless they retcon (sigh) the fact that Goku hadn't met Bulma (and most likely the others) for five years before EoZ. Or somehow manage to prevent Goku from meeting them for the entirety of Super. Oooor, have Super start after RoF and end a few weeks after that.

[Captain Space]

Until they show concrete proof that they are retconning the hell out of the movie, please don't make out your speculations as pure facts.

How about the fact that Beerus only remembers Super Saiyan God in Super in a completely different context to the way he remembers it in BoG? And also tells Whis about it for the first time? When both of these events happened in a completely different location and situation in BoG.

[fadeddreams5]

I highly doubt they will retcon anything relevant from the movies. They'll likely just expand and tell the stories in a format suitable for a TV series. For example, in the F arc, we may actually see Frieza training, as well as what Trunk, Goten, and Buu were up to. There may be a scene where Tien tells Yamcha and Chiaotzu to stay behind. We'll see Vegeta gain SSJG, as well as the moment where Whis gives them the okay to visit Beerus' planet after they bribe him with food. We're going to see an expansive view of the story with a few changes here and there, but nothing that alters anything major from them. That's what I imagine. In the BoG arc, they may change the time Beerus woke up (they already have, I believe), and Champa might have some scenes, but that's it.

That's what I predict.

[ArchedThunder]

Cross posting from the Zenkai Battle thread (if anyone cares):

You know, at first I thought it was weird that Zenkai didn't add Bluper Saiyan Vegeta with the F update, but now that we know that Super is going to cover BoG and F before going into its own original story is all makes sense. I bet that in 2 or so months we'll be getting another Zenkai update that adds Bluper Saiyan Vegeta and Champa.

[Birusu16]

That's just as bad as small retcons. They're throwing away a bunch of existing content in order to make it fit the time line for the series. My issue is that THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. They could've easily started the series after the two movies, which is an infinitely better choice IMO than completely retconning previous material.

Again, that'd confuse people who haven't seen the movies. Sure, if you do five seconds of research you can find out that it goes original series > BoG > RF, but a lot of people wouldn't do that; they'd just sit down to watch the new Dragon Ball series, and have no idea what the hell is going on because they didn't see the movies.

Of course, the solution could just have been to air the movies on TV before starting Super properly, in the same timeslot (either extended episodes or break it up over multiple weeks)...

That or simply watch the movie. BoGs has been out for several years. How hard is it to set aside an hour and a half to watch the movie? RoF adds practically nothing aside from SSGSS, so you're not really missing anything by not watching that. Or they could simply do a brief recap of what happened in those movies. There was no need for all these potential retcons, which is what pisses me off the most.

[fexus]

Until they show concrete proof that they are retconning the hell out of the movie, please don't make out your speculations as pure facts.

How about the fact that Beerus only remembers Super Saiyan God in Super in a completely different context to the way he remembers it in BoG? And also tells Whis about it for the first time? When both of these events happened in a completely different location and situation in BoG.

Oh, have you seen Super already? Do you know the context of that scene and you know the time that talk is happening or are you basing this on one panel of the manga that doesn't even adapt the whole episode?

[Araki]

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. The amount of retcons they have to do to make this work is ridiculous.

They have to completely retcon the time line seeing as BoGs and RoF took place 4 years after Buu, not 6 months and seeing as how Beerus is awake 6 months after Buu's defeat we know the time line of both movies very likely happens much earlier. Secondly, how the hell do they manage to do the SSJG ritual? Pan wouldn't of even been thought of yet let alone existing 6 months after Buu's defeat. So unless they retcon (great more retcons) the SSJG ritual or when Videl got pregnant then they have a problem here as well. And unless Vegeta is somehow pure of heart 6 months after he killed hundreds of people at the tournament then he can't exactly participate in the SSJG ritual either as it requires 6 pure hearted Saiyans.

It'd of been much easier had they just started the series after the two movies.

That's like saying everytime a story gets a movie/tv series retelling or remake, which often happens with anime, they're "retconning" things, as it's never a literal adaptation. It's not the same, that is not a retcon. A retcon would be Super flashbacking to the movies and changing their events instead of remaking them from scratch.

Let alone the fact no one ever said those movies were canon. If this bothers you, then i guess the way the movies never cared to fit the series' timeline should've been bothering you since long ago, as the series' existence in itself contradicts all of them.

Also i love how many people are talking like they've watched Super already.

[Birusu16]

They're basically stuck there. Unless they retcon (sigh) the fact that Goku hadn't met Bulma (and most likely the others) for five years before EoZ. Or somehow manage to prevent Goku from meeting them for the entirety of Super. Oooor, have Super start after RoF and end a few weeks after that.

One slight retcon (Goku not meeting Bulma for five years before EoZ) that in the grand scheme of things is meaningless is much better than 5 or 6 much bigger retcons that have serious plot implications. Not to mention that's a point where you're retconning because you have no other option, not because you choose to. That's the main reason I'm pretty pissed off about this.

[ArchedThunder]

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. The amount of retcons they have to do to make this work is ridiculous.

They have to completely retcon the time line seeing as BoGs and RoF took place 4 years after Buu, not 6 months and seeing as how Beerus is awake 6 months after Buu's defeat we know the time line of both movies very likely happens much earlier. Secondly, how the hell do they manage to do the SSJG ritual? Pan wouldn't of even been thought of yet let alone existing 6 months after Buu's defeat. So unless they retcon (great more retcons) the SSJG ritual or when Videl got pregnant then they have a problem here as well. And unless Vegeta is somehow pure of heart 6 months after he killed hundreds of people at the tournament then he can't exactly participate in the SSJG ritual either as it requires 6 pure hearted Saiyans.

It'd of been much easier had they just started the series after the two movies.

That's like saying everytime a story gets a movie/tv series retelling or remake, which often happens with anime, they're "retconning" things, as it's never a literal adaptation. It's not the same, that is not a retcon. A retcon would be Super flashbacking to the movies and changing their events instead of remaking them from scratch.

Let alone the fact no one ever said those movies were canon. If this bothers you, then i guess the way the movies never cared to fit the series' timeline should've been bothering you since long ago, as the series' existence in itself contradicts all of them.

Also i love how many people are talking like they've watched Super already.

Maybe I'm from the future like Trunks, YOU DON'T KNOW ME!
=P

[Captain Space]

That or simply watch the movie. BoGs has been out for several years. How hard is it to set aside an hour and a half to watch the movie? RoF adds practically nothing aside from SSGSS, so you're not really missing anything by not watching that. Or they could simply do a brief recap of what happened in those movies. There was no need for all these potential retcons, which is what pisses me off the most.

Don't get me wrong, people absolutely should watch the movie(s). But the thing is a lot of people won't.

Oh, have you seen Super already? Do you know the context of that scene and you know the time that talk is happening or are you basing this on one panel of the manga that doesn't even adapt the whole episode?

Indeed I don't know when it happens. But it doesn't matter when it happens. It contradicts BoG no matter what. Before the BoG scene? Can't be, Beerus is still in his pajamas in the BoG scene and he's fully-dressed here. After the BoG scene? Can't be, because then Whis would already know about SSJG--in fact so would Beerus and he wouldn't need reminding.

[fexus]

You know what guys? You won. You have shown me that any pure fun speculation that had been done before can turn into a horrible time where everybody believed that they have seen the episode and know everything about it. You guys can have your factual speculations and retconning. Just when I thought this isn't going to turn into the RoF movie thread. Looks like sometimes, I'm wrong.

[jjgp1112]

I'm not opposed to a complete retelling of Bog and RoF but it does strike me as a very odd decision!

It's actually quite a surprising one.

It's a stupid one if true.

*Makes two new highly successful movies that bring the franchises popularity back in a significant way = Retells them and makes movies irrelevant and non canon like Path to Power.

It's too stupid of an idea to actually be possible right?

It doesn't really matter if it's canon or non canon. it still exists and you can continue to watch and enjoy it whenever you want.

I struggle to see why this type of stuff is so important to people.

[Captain Space]

I...kinda feel bad now...but, uh...that's the scene we've been presented with, right? A scene that doesn't gel with BoG no matter where you place it. It's...just...

That's what it is! I don't want to be negative just for the sake of it.

[Birusu16]

I...kinda feel bad now...but, uh...that's the scene we've been presented with, right? A scene that doesn't gel with BoG no matter where you place it. It's...just...

That's what it is! I don't want to be negative just for the sake of it.

Unless they completely throw that scene out (which seems unlikely as in the trailers/previews you see a shot of Beerus and Whis in space just like the scene from the first chapter of Super) then yea.

[Cold Skin]

Even if it's rewritten in the TV show, it wouldn't make the movies irrelevant.
It's as if you said The Path To Power is an irrelevant film because things actually don't happen exactly like that in the actual story. It's wrong, it's still worth watching as a "movie interpretation" of TV events.

If BOG and RF are rewritten, the movies will retroactively become "movie interpretations" of the actual events, which is still interesting for its more compact, self-contained, high-budget way to tell the story.

Back when we had The Path To Power, many fans wanted to see similar "movie versions" of the following arcs. Movie versions of existing TV arcs are not shameful, irrelevant trash to be tossed aside, they're still valuable.

[Araki]

Don't get me wrong, people absolutely should watch the movie(s). But the thing is a lot of people won't.

Yeah, and that's why different media requires a different content. For instance, Marvel movies will never be done based on the assumption everyone watches Agents of Shield or whatever. At the most, they use a tv episode to advertise the movies, but it can't be prohibitive for people who don't follow the cinematic universe either. A tv show that forces the viewer to watch a movie, play a game or read a book to understand something isn't doing it right.

From a business perspective, retelling the events for tv is the smart thing to do. And we don't know how they'll do it. For all we know, they can make the content entirely different, not turning the movies any less important, unless one believes being canon or not-canon is really pivotal to have fun watching something. Is it?
"Well, it was good while i thought it was canon" doesn't make sense to me.

Even if it's rewritten in the TV show, it wouldn't make the movies irrelevant.
It's as if you said The Path To Power is an irrelevant film because things actually don't happen exactly like that in the actual story. It's wrong, it's still worth watching as a "movie interpretation" of TV events.

If BOG and RF are rewritten, the movies will retroactively become "movie interpretations" of the actual events, which is still interesting for its more compact, self-contained, high-budget way to tell the story.

Back when we had The Path To Power, many fans wanted to see similar "movie versions" of the following arcs. Movie versions of existing TV arcs are not shameful, irrelevant trash to be tossed aside.

Thank you, that's what i've been trying to say many times.

[Toonami97]

Not exactly something new. remember blood rubies and path to power