The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Captain Space]

I dunno...the Majin boost only put him up equal to Goku in SSJ2. Presumably with SSJ3, they'd still be equal, Vegeta still needing the Majin boost to match Goku.

Now, if it was the Majin thing that somehow pushed him into SSJ3, Goku takes it, due to more experience with the form, leading to Vegeta running out of stamina faster.

...actually Goku probably takes it anyway. His spirit body is more energy-efficient, so he still has more time in SSJ3 than Vegeta does.

So basically, they're completely evenly-matched until Vegeta runs out of energy, then Goku wins.

[fadeddreams5]

I dunno...the Majin boost only put him up equal to Goku in SSJ2. Presumably with SSJ3, they'd still be equal, Vegeta still needing the Majin boost to match Goku.

Now, if it was the Majin thing that somehow pushed him into SSJ3, Goku takes it, due to more experience with the form, leading to Vegeta running out of stamina faster.

...actually Goku probably takes it anyway. His spirit body is more energy-efficient, so he still has more time in SSJ3 than Vegeta does.

So basically, they're completely evenly-matched until Vegeta runs out of energy, then Goku wins.

I forgot about this. You're completely right.

[Captain Space]

Ah, thanks.

Hmm, this has probably been asked before, but over 900 pages so I hope it's okay if I just go ahead and ask:

Any thoughts on Janemba vs. Buuhan?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Janemba vs. Buuhan?

Gohan-Buu spits out Gohan and beats Janemba in his base form.

Janemba is, in my opinion. One of the most overrated characters in terms of power.

He was struggling with SS3 Goku, and only beat him with his warping tricks. He was also effortlessly defeated by SS Gogeta (who is, IMO, weaker than Gohan-Buu, even at SS3.)

I'd personally say SS Gotenks post and above mutilates Janemba.

[Captain Space]

Oh yeah, probably should've put some more thought into that.

I always read Super Janemba's fight as Goku having the speed advantage (handling Janemba in hand-to-hand) but Janemba having higher durability (emerging unscathed from just about everything despite taking more hits initially).

[supercat]

Filler Mr.Popo vs Future Android 18

SSJ3 Majin Vegeta vs SSJ3 Goku (Buu Sega)

-Could go either way really. On the high end of the spectrum, I have the young SSJs closing in on the level of power 18 wields. Therefore, Popo holding his own against two fighters of that caliber may be just enough for him to secure his victory.

-SSJ3 Majin Vegeta finally gets his moment to shine. Only this time, he's not subjected to a false sense of glory.

Ah, thanks.

Hmm, this has probably been asked before, but over 900 pages so I hope it's okay if I just go ahead and ask:

Any thoughts on Janemba vs. Buuhan?

Buuhan should casually be able to claim himself as the victor. While Janemba was powerful, in no shape or form would he be able to take down a form of Buu that has had the luxury of taking powers from Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks, and Goten. Being able to trump an SSJ3 isn't considered much of a feat when in comparison to a powerhouse like Buuhan. I'd say Ultimate Gohan would be a much more suitable opponent here, where the fight could really go either direction.

New Battle:
SSJ Gogeta vs Buuhan

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SSJ Gogeta vs Buuhan

Gogeta gets slaughtered.

IMO, there'd be no reason for Toriyama to make the potara stronger if a Super Saiyan fusion of Goku and Vegeta could already get the job done without the added boost. It adds no value to the story, and doesn't really make Vegetto one-up Gogeta in anyway since he can still do anything Vegetto can do.

[fadeddreams5]

Janemba vs. Buuhan?

Gohan-Buu spits out Gohan and beats Janemba in his base form.

Janemba is, in my opinion. One of the most overrated characters in terms of power.

He was struggling with SS3 Goku, and only beat him with his warping tricks. He was also effortlessly defeated by SS Gogeta (who is, IMO, weaker than Gohan-Buu, even at SS3.)

Janemba was completely unscathed against SSJ3 Goku during their little scuffle. I am 100% certain SSJ3 Goku would be able to land the same sort of blows on Super Buu. Super Janemba and Super Buu are exact equals, imo.

But yeah, Buuhan easily beats him.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Janemba was completely unscathed against SSJ3 Goku during their little scuffle. I am 100% certain SSJ3 Goku would be able to land the same sort of blows on Super Buu. Super Janemba and Super Buu are exact equals, imo.

Still, Janemba had to use warping tricks to completely overwhelm Goku.

What makes you think Goku could land blows on Super Buu?

[Captain Space]

Janemba was completely unscathed against SSJ3 Goku during their little scuffle. I am 100% certain SSJ3 Goku would be able to land the same sort of blows on Super Buu. Super Janemba and Super Buu are exact equals, imo.

But yeah, Buuhan easily beats him.

Unscathed, but Goku was outfighting him in hand-to-hand. Janemba has a weird disparity between speed and durability.

Whereas Super Buu was stated by Goku to be significantly above him, which probably refers to his overall ki level (since Goku never actually fought with any form of Super Buu outside of filler).

[Blocky]

Janemba vs. Buuhan?

SSJ Gogeta vs Buuhan

Buuhan has the power to take the both out.

[fadeddreams5]

Janemba was completely unscathed against SSJ3 Goku during their little scuffle. I am 100% certain SSJ3 Goku would be able to land the same sort of blows on Super Buu. Super Janemba and Super Buu are exact equals, imo.

Still, Janemba had to use warping tricks to completely overwhelm Goku.

What makes you think Goku could land blows on Super Buu?

Well, if the filler is any indication, SSJ3 Goku landed a few shots against Buutenks, even while completely outmatched. Him and Vegeta also landed blows on Super Buu as mere SSJs while inside his body.

It's filler, but we are comparing him to a movie villain, so... eh.

We could also make the argument that Buu was only ever a threat because of his regeneration. He was made mincemeat and sliced in half so many different times.

Unscathed, but Goku was outfighting him in hand-to-hand. Janemba has a weird disparity between speed and durability.

Majin Vegeta completely outfought Fat Buu too. He still lost after being tired out and rendered useless by Buu's arsenal, while the latter came out unscathed. It's the end result that counts. >.>

[Captain Space]

Well, if the filler is any indication, SSJ3 Goku landed a few shots against Buutenks, even while completely outmatched. Him and Vegeta also landed blows on Super Buu as mere SSJs while inside his body.

It's filler, but we are comparing him to a movie villain, so... eh.

I still wouldn't take the filler into account; since the movie is written by one set of people with one clear idea of Janemba's strength level. The anime writers almost certainly had different ideas about where certain characters fell, Goku in particular, than Toriyama, or at least a very different way of presenting it.

Unscathed, but Goku was outfighting him in hand-to-hand. Janemba has a weird disparity between speed and durability.

Majin Vegeta completely outfought Fat Buu too. He still lost after being tired out and rendered useless by Buu's arsenal, while the latter came out unscathed. It's the end result that counts. >.>

Indeed. But that would still lead to the conclusion that Vegeta has a higher ki level than fat Buu; and that SSJ3 Goku's ki is at least comparable to Janemba's. However, due to factors not related to their direct 'fighting ability' (or in Janemba's case, unusual stat distribution) they still won.

[fadeddreams5]

You callin' mah baby a cheater?!

[Captain Space]

Not unless you count the victory against Raditz "cheating".

[supercat]

SSJ3 Goku is leagues below Janemba, with or without his diverse set of abilities. While the Saiyan may not exactly have been one-shot material for the villain, the way the fight panned out clearly deems the latter as the superior fighter of the two. A few more of Janemba's mouth blasts or a direct hit from those slashes of ki generated from his sword would likely have been enough for the monster to claim victory.

The way I see it, Janemba, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Super Buu are all within a similar realm of power. Some of Janemba's warping techniques may give him a fighting chance over stronger opponents like Ultimate Gohan, but in no shape or form would they be sufficient to completely seal the deal.

New Battle:

SSJ Gogeta vs Buutenks

[singsing]

Hell, you could easily argue the strength for Janemba considering both he and Gogeta were Toei inventions. Toei = Pure Buu is the strongest Buu, which is stupid, but yea, it's stated so clearly in the anime and makes Goku out to be a flat out liar. If Pure Buu is stronger than Buuhan and Goku was able to fight evenly with him, that means Goku losing to Super Janemba puts Janemba above Pure Buu, especially since Goku had a dead body against Janemba. And then SSJ Gogeta was able to trash Janemba as easily as Vegetto trashed Buuhan. Bam, same league.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SSJ Gogeta vs Buutenks

Gogeta still loses badly IMO. He'd need Super Saiyan 3 to last a couple of minutes.

[supercat]

Hell, you could easily argue the strength for Janemba considering both he and Gogeta were Toei inventions. Toei = Pure Buu is the strongest Buu, which is stupid, but yea, it's stated so clearly in the anime and makes Goku out to be a flat our liar. If Pure Buu is stronger than Buuhan and Goku was able to fight evenly with him, that means Goku losing to Super Janemba puts Janemba above Pure Buu, especially since Goku had a dead body against Janemba. And then SSJ Gogeta was able to trash Janemba as easily as Vegetto trashed Buuhan. Bam, same league.

That's the anime's portrayal of the Buu arc for ya! Although I will admit, as a child I was quite fond of Kid Buu's seemingly unparalleled power.

Oh, and let's not forget about Yamcha's victory against Olibu

I guess after spending so much time with Goku, Olibu wanted to pass down the value of being humble to Yamcha.

New Battle:
Super 17 (energy absorbed) vs Nova Shenron and Ice Shenron

[Blocky]

Super 17 (energy absorbed) vs Nova Shenron and Ice Shenron

17 get's freezed and burned to death.