The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[In Brightest Day]

MSSJ Son Goku (Cell-Games) vs. Cell-Games SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo.

Chaozu (Buu arc) vs Guldo (no time freezing)
Chaozu (Buu arc) vs Nappa

Chaozu reverts back to his Trunks arc self and one-shots both of them collectively.

[Captain Space]

Chaozu (Buu arc) vs Guldo (no time freezing)
Chaozu (Buu arc) vs Nappa

Chaozu wins both battles. I think he reached at least Nail level strength after training with King Kai. And constantly training with Tenshinhan would only boost his strength even more. I'd reckon he would have reached the hundred thousand threshold by the time of the Majin Boo arc.

Well, he was already stronger than BoZ Goku when he died (given that he reached Kaio's planet faster, not to mention Kami saying they'd all surpassed him); so by the time he returned to life, he must have been at least somewhere in the thousands.

The question from there is whether or not he kept up his training afterwards, of which there's no indication either way. He probably did, though, Tenshinhan needing a sparring partner and all, so by Buu I'd say yeah, he'd definitely be able to take either of those guys.

[Lord Beerus]

MSSJ Son Goku (Cell-Games) vs. Cell-Games SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo.

Goku kicks all of their butts. Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo were in complete awe at Goku's strength when he powered up against Cell. I think it's safe to say they felt that Goku was many levels above them.

[KentalSSJ6]

SSGSS Goku and Vegeta VS a hypothetical whatever cooler he picks Cooler. The strength difference between Cooler and Freeza translates to this as well (if you follow Super Cooler's 470 million to Freeza's 120 million on Namek)

Whis and Beerus comment that together Goku and Vegeta could have beaten Freeza, do you think they stand a chance against Cooler in the same situation?

[Captain Space]

SSGSS Goku and Vegeta VS a hypothetical whatever cooler he picks Cooler. The strength difference between Cooler and Freeza translates to this as well (if you follow Super Cooler's 470 million to Freeza's 120 million on Namek)

Whis and Beerus comment that together Goku and Vegeta could have beaten Freeza, do you think they stand a chance against Cooler in the same situation?

I never bought those power levels. They were from completely different sources (I doubt whoever put together that list in the Daizenshuu also wrote that Jump issue), and SSJ Goku going from being evenly matched with Frieza on Namek to--less than three years later presumably (probably not even one, considering they all look like their Namek arc selves)--absolutely stomping someone nearly four times as strong...seems kinda weird.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Raditz [hypothetical Super Saiyan 2] vs. Kaioken Goku (@ Ginyu)

[Captain Space]

Raditz [hypothetical Super Saiyan 2] vs. Kaioken Goku (@ Ginyu)

As in Raditz with his saiyan-saga base power and whatever boost SSJ2 provides?

I'd assume so, because Raditz with enough hypothetical training to get up to the kind of level where one normally can go SSJ2 seems like a bit too much.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Raditz [hypothetical Super Saiyan 2] vs. Kaioken Goku (@ Ginyu)

As in Raditz with his saiyan-saga base power and whatever boost SSJ2 provides?

I'd assume so, because Raditz with enough hypothetical training to get up to the kind of level where one normally can go SSJ2 seems like a bit too much.

Yes.

[Captain Space]

Then I guess:

-If SSJ/SSJ2 is some kind of multiplicative boost, probably Goku wins but not certainly. (If it is a multiplier, even disregarding Daizenshuu numbers SSJ1 must be at least 40 times base--given that Frieza's 50% is more than 20x Goku's base, etc., etc.--meaning Raditz is significantly over 24,000 in SSJ1, dunno about SSJ2 exactly.)

-If SSJ/SSJ2 is an additive boost, not dependent on your exact level of base power, then Raditz takes it for sure.

[supercat]

MSSJ Son Goku (Cell-Games) vs. Cell-Games SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo.

Chaozu (Buu arc) vs Guldo (no time freezing)
Chaozu (Buu arc) vs Nappa

Chaozu reverts back to his Trunks arc self and one-shots both of them collectively.

If Goku does not promptly strive towards victory, the collective power of the trio may begin to hurt his stamina. Regardless, I'd say Goku should be able to take this after a decent amount of difficulty.

SSGSS Goku and Vegeta VS a hypothetical whatever cooler he picks Cooler. The strength difference between Cooler and Freeza translates to this as well (if you follow Super Cooler's 470 million to Freeza's 120 million on Namek)

Whis and Beerus comment that together Goku and Vegeta could have beaten Freeza, do you think they stand a chance against Cooler in the same situation?

Well whether that battle power is actually an accurate reflection of Cooler's power or not, if he goes into his golden form as he was in Movie 5, he gets one-shotted.

Frieza may have started off at 120 million, but his power had likely grown to incredible heights prior to achieving his golden form. Final Form Frieza (FnF) should be somewhere within the same realm of strength as Vegetto.

Raditz [hypothetical Super Saiyan 2] vs. Kaioken Goku (@ Ginyu)

Kaioken Goku takes Raditz down with relative ease, and concludes the fight by asking his evil brother to align with the Z-fighters.

New Battle:
Base Vegetto vs Buutenks

[Captain Space]

New Battle:
Base Vegetto vs Buutenks

Hmm...Old Kai said Goku and Gohan fusing would be able to beat Buutenks without even going SSJ...

But is Vegetto stronger or weaker than this hypothetical Goku-Gohan fusion? They got a boost from their rivalry on one hand, but on the other Gohan is much stronger than Vegeta at this point...

[supercat]

New Battle:
Base Vegetto vs Buutenks

Hmm...Old Kai said Goku and Gohan fusing would be able to beat Buutenks without even going SSJ...

But is Vegetto stronger or weaker than this hypothetical Goku-Gohan fusion? They got a boost from their rivalry on one hand, but on the other Gohan is much stronger than Vegeta at this point...

While the difference between Vegeta and Gohan was quite substantial at that point, we could always assume the generous multipliers from the Potara earrings more than made up for it. I'd say Vegetto should be able to claim victory as long as he takes the fight seriously.

New Battle:
Tien's Shin Kikoho (against Semi-perfect Cell) vs Yardrat Goku (Goku has to tank the attack head-on)

[Captain Space]

New Battle:
Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho (against Semi-perfect Cell) vs Yardrat Goku (Goku has to tank the attack head-on)

I think Goku's getting squashed.

[singsing]

New Battle:
Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho (against Semi-perfect Cell) vs Yardrat Goku (Goku has to tank the attack head-on)

I think Goku's getting squashed.

I agree, Goku gets pushed back by air over and over again until Tenshinhan runs out of ki again. Then walks up and flicks his head off.

[Captain Space]

New Battle:
Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho (against Semi-perfect Cell) vs Yardrat Goku (Goku has to tank the attack head-on)

I think Goku's getting squashed.

I agree, Goku gets pushed back by air over and over again until Tenshinhan runs out of ki again. Then walks up and flicks his head off.

I dunno. It was able to do that to second-form Cell, who is way, way above Yardrat Goku.

[dbgtFO]

New Battle:
Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho (against Semi-perfect Cell) vs Yardrat Goku (Goku has to tank the attack head-on)

Goku is obliterated with the first shot.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I don't think the Shin Kikoho can actually kill anyone. Tenshinhan even said he couldn't do anything against the Androids.

[singsing]

I don't think the Shin Kikoho can actually kill anyone. Tenshinhan even said he couldn't do anything against the Androids.

Basically. All it does is have a lot of pushing power.

[Blocky]

The Snake (DBS ep1) vs Raditz.

Can the snake has the bite to kill Raditz?!

[dbgtFO]

The Snake (DBS ep1) vs Raditz.

Can the snake has the bite to kill Raditz?!

sorry

If a random giant fish can take Down some of Freeza's mooks, then obviously a random giant Snake should also be quite formiddable, so Raditz gets eaten whole.

I don't think the Shin Kikoho can actually kill anyone. Tenshinhan even said he couldn't do anything against the Androids.

Tenshinhan forgot. It happens to even the best of us.