"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lord Frieza]

Since we know now that Gohan and Videl aren't married yet I am sticking to my theory that Beerus crashes their wedding instead of Bulma's birthday.

But they are married. There's no wedding to crash.

I watch the episode and I dont think they are, Goten says that their getting married and that why he's looking for a present for her.

[Chuquita]

A lot of my worries are gone, first episode was great!
Since we know now that Gohan and Videl aren't married yet I am sticking to my theory that Beerus crashes their wedding instead of Bulma's birthday.

ONWARD TO EPISODE 2!

Why is he even outside the plane at all?

So much build-up to Vegeta fun times; I may be more excited for this episode than I was for the first one.

[ArchedThunder]

Since we know now that Gohan and Videl aren't married yet I am sticking to my theory that Beerus crashes their wedding instead of Bulma's birthday.

But they are married. There's no wedding to crash.

Damn fansubs.
Nevermind then.

Why is he even outside the plane at all?

So much build-up to Vegeta fun times; I may be more excited for this episode than I was for the first one.

He's like a dog that sticks its head out the car window, he likes the feel of the air.

[Captain Space]

Unimpressed Vegeta is the best Vegeta.

[Cetra]

I did not even realize that he was standing on that plane. I just thought that for some random reason that octopus flew in his face, because the plane was somehow open a bit or whatever but I love that a) Vegeta stands on it and b) Bulma does not give a **** about diving while her husband is standing on it.

[ArchedThunder]

I did not even realize that he was standing on that plane. I just thought that for some random reason that octopus flew in his face, because the plane was somehow open a bit or whatever but I love that a) Vegeta stands on it and b) Bulma does not give a **** about diving while her husband is standing on it.

Maybe he mad her mad so she's messing with him.
Judging by his face she failed.

[Cetra]

It's just great that both don't care. Two idiots making a great couple. I love Dragon Ball.

[MaGyunia]

A lot of my worries are gone, first episode was great!
Since we know now that Gohan and Videl aren't married yet I am sticking to my theory that Beerus crashes their wedding instead of Bulma's birthday.

ONWARD TO EPISODE 2!

Why is he even outside the plane at all?

So much build-up to Vegeta fun times; I may be more excited for this episode than I was for the first one.

It's just natural one would be more hyped for a Vegeta family trip than for smooth, soft or even comic instances of Goku's family, given their characters. The sheer concept of having Vegeta, who was first introduced as a major psychotic villain with desires of immortality and prince of a bloody and powerful fighting race, a killing machine with a dark past, having "fun", whether he deep down wants to or not, gets one hyped. We've already seen some of his interactions with Trunks (both as a young boy and, in a different setting, as Mirai no Trunks) in the early Majin Buu arc and throughout the arc itself. We got to see some previously only imagined moments of interaction between Vegeta and Bulma as man and woman in BoG, but, indeed, any feelings Vegeta was shown to have for his family and even for Goku's friends and Earthlings in general throughout the Majin Buu arc - especially when he hugs Trunks and says goodbye to him, Bulma and Kakarotto before blowing himself up, are always hidden and, being an introverted, hard-to-talk individual myself, I imagine that it must be pretty hard for him to be "forced" to be around regular folks all the time with all the constant nagging when what you really want is to train to get stronger and think very lowly of society in general and don't even recognize in them the intellectual or moral capability or right to address him. None of these constant instances of lack of demonstration of feelings for anybody necessarily means they don't exist, obviously. That's just his character, and I'll bet you that when the concept of Vegeta was first introduced in the Saiya-jin arc Toriyama never meant to eventually turn into one of the good guys so fast (which, for example, happened to Piccolo, who in a matter of 6 years went from being the reincarnation of one of the most psychotic and evil villains of the entire history of DBZ to giving his life to save that of the son of his previous worst mortal enemy); regarding Vegeta's very gradual and long transformation from a full-fledged villain into an undeniable part of the team and, in fact, some sort of a family man, things just went that way, after Toriyama saw the enormous potential he had as an anti-hero figure and the ultimate badass in the series. He had to keep him there and expand on his background by linking him - along with the entire Saiya-jin race - to Freeza. You can see some little lessening of evil when he joins Krillin and Gohan against the Ginyu Tokusentai, or when he spares Krillin and Gohan's life on Namek a few episodes before that, and then a lot more in the Jinzouningen saga when he not only fathered a son with Bulma and chose to live on Earth but ended up swallowing his humongous pride to help Gohan get rid of Cell once and for all in desperate circumstances; 7 years later, with Trunks born, it's just normal his evil was all but extinguished, and even more so after the Majin Buu arc, where he had to in fact team up with Goku more than once to save his "friends", Earth and the Universe. But that doesn't mean he suddenly has or ever will indeed be able to become a joyful character, that would betray the very concept of Vegeta itself, it'll never happen.

In the second episode we'll most likely focus on the Vegeta's family version of fun family times, whereas in the first one we saw yesterday we focused on Goku's. We'll be able to expand on Vegeta as a family man quite a bit, but it would be best not to overdo it. Just have him be pissed off and annoyed all the time surrounded by regular humans and perhaps shout at someone or perhaps go so far as to destroy something out of sheer anger. In the early days, he would destroy someone, or an entire planet, rather than an object, and with a big smile on his face. That's how much he changed. It took time and several arcs, but he did eventually change and I guess, as they were discussing in Battle of Gods, we can call him "pure-hearted", as in, not evil (anymore).

[White Oni]

Man I almost had a heart attack when i saw Goku struggling against that tree trunk in the beggining, but i guess he was thinking about something since he had no problem ripping it off with one hand and the roots.
Dont give screw attack any ideas on their next goku vs superman battle XD

Actually screw attack have a lot of rethinking to do for their so call rematch after this episode thanks to Beerus's little "destroy half a planet with a tap of my finger" trick.

Wait, was it announced that they're doing a rematch?

[Lord Frieza]

Wait, was it announced that they're doing a rematch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xR2astA1Eg

[SMKirbyZX]

Wait, was it announced that they're doing a rematch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xR2astA1Eg

Is anybody doing a thread discussing it? I might make one if nobody isn't.

[MaGyunia]

I know this was never intented to be taken seriously, but I've always found the whole Superman vs Goku debate pretty absurd. First of all, even if they want to pick someone from the universe of Dragonball as the strongest fighter, it's not Goku, he's always close to the top but there have always been, in all arcs, someone stronger than him. Overall, as far as we know, Whis is the strongest fighter from the universe of Dragonball so far, followed by Beerus and/or Champa's attendant. Before the introduction of Beerus and Whis in recent years, more than one version of Super Buu, Janenba (if you count the movies), Gogeta (if you count the movies, the same one, in fact) and especially Vegitto surpass Goku.

Being the main protagonist of a series doesn't necessarily mean you're the strongest fighter of the series, does it? For example, I've always seen Tenshinhan as stronger than Krillin, but pretty much everyone states Krillin as the strongest human mostly due to the fact that he's much closer to Goku and the rest of the gang and always present, whereas Tenshinhan has had long periods of hermit-like absence with Chaozu.

Second of all, and perhaps more importantly, any fighter by, say, the middle of DB was capable of a level of destructive power and energy manipulation superior to that of Superman. Since by the Saiya-jin arc most of the fighters are tens of times stronger than that, and by the Freeza arc tens of times stronger than they were in the Saiya-jin saga, and so on and so on, constantly surpassing each other and reaching new levels of immense power, how can someone even postulate a fair duel between ANY form of Goku against Superman? The two things don't even belong to the same universe in any aspect, except that they're both fictional and both characters have some similarities as far as their background and hero-like characteristics goes.

I mean, even someone as Vegeta in his early days in the Saiya-jin Saga, or Zarbon, could destroy an entire planet. Freeza had a number of soldiers stronger than them, Freeza was hundreds of times stronger than Zarbon, Mirai no Trunks was stronger than him, #17 and #18 were much stronger than Mirai no Trunks, Cell in his second form was much stronger than #17 or #18, Vegeta in the Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai stage was much stronger than Cell in his second stage, Cell in his perfect form was much stronger than Super Vegeta, Gohan as a Super Saiya-jin 2 was much stronger than Perfect Cell, Goku and Vegeta as Super Saiya-jin 2 when they fought each other in the Majin Buu arc were stronger than teen Gohan SSJ2, any form of Majin Buu is stronger than Goku and Vegeta as Super Saiya-jin 2, Super Saiya-jin 3 and Ultimate Gohan are much stronger than Goku and Vegeta as Super Saiya-jin 2, Vegitto is much stronger than Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku or Ultimate Gohan, and Beerus and Whis are even beyond that, and so on, and so on. The debate itself is ridiculous. By the time of even as early as the Saiya-jin saga almost any fighter would be able to wipe out Superman with two fingers.

[Captain Space]

-The debate is not about the strongest character in each universe. Superman isn't the strongest DC character either.

-Superman has survived planet-destroying stuff before.

Hope this doesn't turn into a debate, and I'm certainly not gonna start declaring that one or the other would win (I don't really know to be honest), just pointing these two things out.

[MaGyunia]

-The debate is not about the strongest character in each universe. Superman isn't the strongest DC character either.

-Superman has survived planet-destroying stuff before.

Hope this doesn't turn into a debate, and I'm certainly not gonna start declaring that one or the other would win (I don't really know to be honest), just pointing these two things out.

Sure, for the reasons I've stated it doesn't even deserve to turn into a debate. Besides, even if it were to turn into a debate, this would be the wrong thread. Let's get back to DBSuper.

[Ushabtis]

+ Jaco in the opening animation hints at a larger role to come?

I hope so, Love that guy.

[ArchedThunder]

Is there a translated version of the OP yet? I wanna know the lyrics!

[godku23]

Anything on a full version of the opening and ending songs?

[GokuRules987]

Does anyone know what was up with the scene where Roshi runs into Goku's house yelling something and ChiChi kicks him out? It kind of seemed like he was trying to warn them about something and ChiChi got mad that Goku would have to fight again.

So I'm wondering ...could Roshi sense Beerus...?

He heard Goku just got a lot of money, and wanted some to buy adult DVDs.

Was probably my least favorite moment of the episode, it wasent even funny, just a plain ass pulled moment. Roshi island should be atleast 3000km away from gokus house anyway.

[pacz360]

Does anyone know what was up with the scene where Roshi runs into Goku's house yelling something and ChiChi kicks him out? It kind of seemed like he was trying to warn them about something and ChiChi got mad that Goku would have to fight again.

So I'm wondering ...could Roshi sense Beerus...?

He heard Goku just got a lot of money, and wanted some to buy adult DVDs.

Was probably my least favorite moment of the episode, it wasent even funny, just a plain ass pulled moment. Roshi island should be atleast 3000km away from gokus house anyway.

Dude i doubt toriyama cares about how far roshi island is plus he just wrote it to be a funny scene

[GokuRules987]

Dude i doubt toriyama cares about how far roshi island is plus he just wrote it to be a funny scene

Which wasen't even funny.