Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[fadeddreams5]

Funny how fans bitch about Roshi fighting Freeza's army in ROF and yet no one cared about Roshi putting up a fight in The World Strongest .

That movie is set during a weird time period. It takes place at the start of DBZ, but also borrows elements from the saiyan saga. Roshi is still a viable fighter during that era, though not as much as the others.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I don't see any problem with Roshi taking out fodder soldiers in Freeza's army.

[Doctor.]

Because toriyama is screwing it over.

It's his series. He can screw it over and let it die how many times he wants to, it's his series.

And no, he's not screwing it over if merchandise sales are anything to go by. I'm not fond of the recent movie, but money talks.

He doesnt even know how to design characters, he literaly made a copy and paste version of beerus who happens to be fat and a female version of whis.

He designed Beerus and Whis in the first place. We have no idea what he'll do with Champa and FemWhis, them being similar to the "originals" could be perfectly explainable.

The movie was bad in it own ways, having Roshi fight against Freeza's henchemen when he was too scared to do shit against Raditz shows how Toriyama cares about his story now.

Yes, the movie was bad. No, it wasn't because Roshi fought against Freeza's henchmen, that was believable and, honestly, one of the saving graces of the film. And no, Toriyama does care about Dragon Ball, otherwise he wouldn't do two movies and a series, he'd keep neglecting it as he has done for a decade.

I hate how he gets to write DB Super now cause he will just screw it up even worse with dumb ugly new looking characters and inconsistent storyline

It's his story. It's no more inconsistent now than it was before. It's no less stupid now than it was before. And it's no less entertaining now than it was before.

I'm sorry, but it seems to me the only thing you want out of Dragon Ball is feats for Goku to be the strongest character in fiction. And that's fine and all, if you really want that so much, but that's something Toriyama has not given to you and that's something he'll never give to you. If you're so unhappy with the current state of the series, then nobody is forcing you to stay and watch it.

[fadeddreams5]

I don't see any problem with Roshi taking out fodder soldiers in Freeza's army.

I do. I mean, it's a frivolous issue, but also the sort of crap GT pulled in regards to powering up characters with no explanation.

It's no less stupid now than it was before. And it's no less entertaining now then it was before.

That's debatable. =|

[GokuRules987]

Because toriyama is screwing it over.

It's his series. He can screw it over and let it die how many times he wants to, it's his series.

And no, he's not screwing it over if merchandise sales are anything to go by. I'm not fond of the recent movie, but money talks.

He doesnt even know how to design characters, he literaly made a copy and paste version of beerus who happens to be fat and a female version of whis.

He designed Beerus and Whis in the first place. We have no idea what he'll do with Champa and FemWhis, them being similar to the "originals" could be perfectly explainable.

The movie was bad in it own ways, having Roshi fight against Freeza's henchemen when he was too scared to do shit against Raditz shows how Toriyama cares about his story now.

Yes, the movie was bad. No, it wasn't because Roshi fought against Freeza's henchmen, that was believable and, honestly, one of the saving graces of the film. And no, Toriyama does care about Dragon Ball, otherwise he wouldn't do two movies and a series, he'd keep neglecting it as he has done for a decade.

I hate how he gets to write DB Super now cause he will just screw it up even worse with dumb ugly new looking characters and inconsistent storyline

It's his story. It's no more inconsistent now than it was before. It's no less stupid now than it was before. And it's no less entertaining now than it was before.

I'm sorry, but it seems to me the only thing you want out of Dragon Ball is feats for Goku to be the strongest character in fiction. And that's fine and all, if you really want that so much, but that's something Toriyama has not given to you and that's something he'll never give to you. If you're so unhappy with the current state of the series, then nobody is forcing you to stay and watch it.

Not only what you said is nonsense, but its even ridiculous for you to even think that it was what i meant.

First able I want Goku to become strong to a somewhat respectable degree. I definitely don't want him to become the strongest character in fiction.
I know its his series, thats why I am pointing out some of the flaws that it has, and what I see in it. I never said that hes not allowed to screw over his series.

Now the reason i said why he doesn't know how to design his characters is because how awfully similar his characters are and that he doesn't even know the difference between a super saiyan 2 and 3. cant you believe that? And not only the whole idea of a cat god is weird and poorly planned out, His Friend Whis is just some ass pulled who doesnt even know who he is. Ohh so "I am a life form named Whis!" Is that the whole character development Toriyama can only come up with?

Now the whole Resurrection of F movie, I personally think it should be one of worst dbz movies ever made. It cant even began to compare to movies like Super Android 13 or about Janemba in which the ending was actually good.
In the end Goku just flies in and kills frieza randomly with his Kamehameha and its done -_- The ending not only felt unsatisfying, the Frieza had literally no character development thru out the entire movie, how the hell did even get this strong? Oh so its plot hole or some Toriyama's ass pull again. Do even realize that those henchmen of Freeza's where originally stronger than even Vegeta from the Saiyan Saga? They were literaly Freeza's warrios and Roshi just blows 20 of them with his kamehameha? Did sitting on his chair all day and fapping to porn magizines somehow made Roshis power level become atleast 30-50k?

[fadeddreams5]

Did sitting on his chair all day and fapping to porn magizines somehow made Roshis power level become atleast 30-50k?

This is a good theory and what I'll use in my head canon.

[singsing]

Did sitting on his chair all day and fapping to porn magizines somehow made Roshis power level become atleast 30-50k?

This is a good theory and what I'll use in my head canon.

Hey it worked for Quaqmire ^_^

[Bullza]

And not only the whole idea of a cat god is weird and poorly planned out

He's clearly been inspired by the Egyptian God Anubis. So no it's not weird or poorly planned out.

Spoiler:

http://honda-cb750-s.456789.n3.nabble.c ... Anubis.jpg

Do even realize that those henchmen of Freeza's where originally stronger than even Vegeta from the Saiyan Saga?

No they weren't, they were scrubs getting stomped by Namekian warriors with a power level of just 3,000. The henchmen that are left aren't even capable of winning battles anymore which is why Sorbet had to recall them.

There's no reason why they can't be beaten by Roshi.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I don't see any problem with Roshi taking out fodder soldiers in Freeza's army.

I do. I mean, it's a frivolous issue, but also the sort of crap GT pulled in regards to powering up characters with no explanation.

We're talking about the guys who need hand blasters to channel their ki. I think Roshi is a step above them.

[The Monkey King]

This are the only new feats I think Death Battle may use for Goku:

• The shockwave of SSJ3 Goku's punch destroying a large chunk of King Kai's planet. It has 10 times Earth's gravity which would make its density insanely high (3.5 times denser than a white dwarf star according to some calculations.)
  
  SSJG Goku trading blows with Beerus, a beng who can turn planets into dust by flying into them and in the first episode of Dragon Ball Super
  Spoiler:

  blows up half a planet by tapping his finger nail on a table
  SSJG Goku managing to hold back a serious attack from a 70% Beerus with his physical strength, absorb some of its ki and withstand the remaining explosion. It's worth remembering that an annoyed Beerus can wipe out an entire solar system nigh instantly and a grumpy Beerus is capable of destorying several stars in 3 minutes at most.

I don't think these are bad feats, the only thing Goku lacks is a very obvious recent speed feat.

The only thing I could think of is that Beerus stated he could've flown to Planet Vegeta himself but he was too lazy and it would've taken to long (by Beerus' standards a cosmic trip taking around 30 minutes is long). This could insinuate Beerus has concrete FTL speeds but it's really reaching.

[dbgtFO]

- SSJG Goku trading blows with Beerus, a beng who can turn planets into dust by flying into them and in the first episode of Dragon Ball Super

Spoiler:

blows up half a planet by tapping his finger nail on a table

They have mostly likely finished production, so I wouldn't be getting my hopes up for them keeping in mind stuff, that has come to light this recently.

[Doctor.]

First able I want Goku to become strong to a somewhat respectable degree. I definitely don't want him to become the strongest character in fiction.

You literally said you'd make him omnipotent. Omnipotence is the strongest you can get.

I know its his series, thats why I am pointing out some of the flaws that it has, and what I see in it. I never said that hes not allowed to screw over his series.

Well, I'm sorry, but I think that the flaws you're pointing out are more nitpicks than anything and don't effect the series as a whole at all.

Now the reason i said why he doesn't know how to design his characters is because how awfully similar his characters are and that he doesn't even know the difference between a super saiyan 2 and 3. cant you believe that?

Champa and FemWhis were made similar to Beerus and Whis on purpose, I'm not sure why you're not getting this. Him forgetting about SS2 holds no relevance to this, especially since he made that comment before re-reading the series.

And not only the whole idea of a cat god is weird and poorly planned out,

He's based on an Egyptian God, blame the Egyptians for Beerus being weird. That's much better planned out than the pink bubblegum or the Cell arc, whose main villain kept changing all the time.

His Friend Whis is just some ass pulled who doesnt even know who he is. Ohh so "I am a life form named Whis!" Is that the whole character development Toriyama can only come up with?

That's the point. Whis is mysterious on purpose. We know nothing about him on purpose. We're supposed to learn more about him as time goes on. The fact that Toriyama chose this type of storytelling shows he's probably a better writer now compared to before, where he just revealed all details about new characters instantly.

Now the whole Resurrection of F movie, I personally think it should be one of worst dbz movies ever made. It cant even began to compare to movies like Super Android 13 or about Janemba in which the ending was actually good.

I think it's bad too, but Battle of Gods was good, so to say Toriyama is ruining the series is ridiculous.

the Freeza had literally no character development thru out the entire movie,

You must have missed the part where he said he wanted to train.

how the hell did even get this strong? Oh so its plot hole or some Toriyama's ass pull again.

You must have missed the part where he said he was a prodigy. It's not a plot hole, you can call it an asspull if you want, but plot hole it is not.

Do even realize that those henchmen of Freeza's where originally stronger than even Vegeta from the Saiyan Saga? They were literaly Freeza's warrios and Roshi just blows 20 of them with his kamehameha? Did sitting on his chair all day and fapping to porn magizines somehow made Roshis power level become atleast 30-50k?

What? No, they're not. Where did you get this information? Kuririn and Gohan, on Namek, with 1,500 of a battle power, defeated two of Freeza's soldiers with one blow. Freeza's best soldiers were killed on Namek and Earth. Raditz thought that a tailless Goku with a power of ~300 would be useful for Freeza's army. Roshi having around a powerlevel of 300 is not unbelievable at all, nor is it unbelievable that Freeza's weak new army had soldiers with a battle power of around 100. You could count with two hands the amount of characters in Freeza's army that were stronger than Vegeta, you're just making stuff up.

[dario03]

This are the only new feats I think Death Battle may use for Goku:

• The shockwave of SSJ3 Goku's punch destroying a large chunk of King Kai's planet. It has 10 times Earth's gravity which would make its density insanely high (3.5 times denser than a white dwarf star according to some calculations.)
  
  SSJG Goku trading blows with Beerus, a beng who can turn planets into dust by flying into them and in the first episode of Dragon Ball Super
  Spoiler:

  blows up half a planet by tapping his finger nail on a table
  SSJG Goku managing to hold back a serious attack from a 70% Beerus with his physical strength, absorb some of its ki and withstand the remaining explosion. It's worth remembering that an annoyed Beerus can wipe out an entire solar system nigh instantly and a grumpy Beerus is capable of destorying several stars in 3 minutes at most.

I don't think these are bad feats, the only thing Goku lacks is a very obvious recent speed feat.

The only thing I could think of is that Beerus stated he could've flown to Planet Vegeta himself but he was too lazy and it would've taken to long (by Beerus' standards a cosmic trip taking around 30 minutes is long). This could insinuate Beerus has concrete FTL speeds but it's really reaching.

Has it ever been said how big those planets were?
And if King Kais planet really is that dense? It is in the afterlife and could just have high gravity for some other reason. If it did work like real life shouldn't it have pulled the exploded part back into it and been pulling the nearby clouds to it?
For the spoiler part

Spoiler:

I don't think he destroyed half the planet with physical power. Looked like a energy attack that he transferred by touch.

[SansrivaaL]

SSJG Goku vs New 52 Supes
-Goku God form has no feats besides claims on what Beerus is capable of doing, while I admit Beerus feats with the finger tap half planet bust was good and his speed on actually leaving the planet before it explodes is quite a good speed feat as well. New 52 supes isnt actually that powerful compared to the other over powered superman versions. Still the strongest ver of superman stomps the living hell out of Goku it aint even funny.

[fadeddreams5]

I don't see any problem with Roshi taking out fodder soldiers in Freeza's army.

I do. I mean, it's a frivolous issue, but also the sort of crap GT pulled in regards to powering up characters with no explanation.

We're talking about the guys who need hand blasters to channel their ki. I think Roshi is a step above them.

I don't know if that's what was shown in the scenes with him, but...
http://animenewszone.com/wp-content/upl ... 24x576.png

...I only see one dude with a blaster there. >.>

What? No, they're not. Where did you get this information? Kuririn and Gohan, on Namek, with 1,500 of a battle power, defeated two of Freeza's soldiers with one blow. Freeza's best soldiers were killed on Namek and Earth. Raditz thought that a tailless Goku with a power of ~300 would be useful for Freeza's army. Roshi having around a powerlevel of 300 is not unbelievable at all, nor is it unbelievable that Freeza's weak new army had soldiers with a battle power of around 100. You could count with two hands the amount of characters in Freeza's army that were stronger than Vegeta, you're just making stuff up.

See, my problem with this is that Goku trained hard to reach that 300 PL. He trained with Kami (a.k.a. God), he traveled the world, he drank the ultra divine water after a trial (not sure if that was anime exclusive), and he probably continued training after the battle with Piccolo. Besides the RoSAT, which he simply could not handle (and thus, Roshi probably wouldn't be able to either), and gravity chamber, these are all the training methods available on Earth.

Raditz figured he'd be useful because he's a saiyan. Saiyans are always useful in the eyes of other saiyans because of their ever-increasing PLs. There was a moment he considered kidnapping Gohan too.

If Frieza's army consists of aliens with 100 PL, they should've been able to drop them like flies after a single sneeze. They should all possess, at the very least, a PL of 500-1000, which is below Raditz and the saibamen, but way above Roshi.

No matter which way you look at it, Roshi beating these guys is an asspull. Add to the fact that he's even more ancient than before. There's no indication as to how he's able to go into 100% so easily either.

[Doctor.]

And people keep ignoring that two people at 1,500 could easily defeat Freeza soldiers when they were at their strongest and that Goku at ~300 would be useful for Freeza's army.

If Roshi went from 139 to, what, 200, maybe? In 20 years or so? With access to his powered-up state, he'd easily reach the 300s.

[SMKirbyZX]

I have a few things to say about this rematch:

1. Why aren't they using SSGSS Goku? Is it because we haven't seen the full extent of his power?
2. This is probably only happening because of God Goku's appearance.
3. This is definitely a lose-lose situation.
4. I don't know much about DC comics, but they are probably using New 52 Superman because that is the canon version. In this case, Goku has a higher chance of winning. But then again, this is ScrewAttack we're talking about...

[fadeddreams5]

In this case, Goku has a higher chance of winning. But then again, this is ScrewAttack we're talking about...

Kirby beat Majin Buu.

Goku has no hope.

That is all.

[SansrivaaL]

In this case, Goku has a higher chance of winning. But then again, this is ScrewAttack we're talking about...

Kirby beat Majin Buu.

Goku has no hope.

That is all.

But.... but... Vegeta defeated Shadow..... oh wait, nevermind

[Bullza]

If the next Death Match with a DBZ character isn't Beerus vs Asura I'm going to be disappointed