"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[UpFromTheSkies]

Didn't one of the dub cast members post something on Twitter saying they would be working on Super alongside the Kai Buu arc?

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Anyone else notice that Super is trending on both Facebook AND Twitter? It even has the #1 spot on FB.

[sintzu]

Hopefully Funi and Toonami haven't signed such a deal and don't.

We know they have it and are done dubbing it so why else wouldn't they start releasing it ? some are saying it's Toie's fault but if that was the case wouldn't it apply to France and Korea as well ?

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Didn't one of the dub cast members post something on Twitter saying they would be working on Super alongside the Kai Buu arc?

There's a video on YouTube of a panel recently with Sean Schemmel at the South Texas Comic Con, and someone asked what his favorite "sad scene in DBZ is". He says that his favorite as of recent is one they "just finished doing in Kai", and it's the scene where Goku sends Gohan off to fight Buu. So they definitely are still working on it.

[bleed0range]

Didn't one of the dub cast members post something on Twitter saying they would be working on Super alongside the Kai Buu arc?

There's a video on YouTube of a panel recently with Sean Schemmel at the South Texas Comic Con, and someone asked what his favorite "sad scene in DBZ is". He says that his favorite as of recent is one they "just finished doing in Kai", and it's the scene where Goku sends Gohan off to fight Buu. So they definitely are still working on it.

I feel like so many people are going to not care about Buu arc if they release Kai on Toonami now. At the same time, if they don't get to Super asap, then they're gonna lose a lot of potential viewers to fan subs.

What they should do is get the rights to Super ASAP and then debut it ASAP on Toonami and do another hour long block of DB. Kai and Super.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Didn't one of the dub cast members post something on Twitter saying they would be working on Super alongside the Kai Buu arc?

There's a video on YouTube of a panel recently with Sean Schemmel at the South Texas Comic Con, and someone asked what his favorite "sad scene in DBZ is". He says that his favorite as of recent is one they "just finished doing in Kai", and it's the scene where Goku sends Gohan off to fight Buu. So they definitely are still working on it.

I feel like so many people are going to not care about Buu arc if they release Kai on Toonami now. At the same time, if they don't get to Super asap, then they're gonna lose a lot of potential viewers to fan subs.

I don't think so. Fans of the Japanese VA cast aren't going to watch the dub anyway, and dub fans are only watching fansubs because that's all that's available, but they won't be fully satisfied until they see the FUNimation dub.

[ArcaneSuperSaiyan]

Regarding SSJGSSJ(which I will refer to as GPSSJ "God Power Super Saiyan" because I think it's a more suiting name), I don't think it's going to replace SSJG altogether.

The way I've pretty much always interpreted it, is that GPSSJ is weaker than SSJG and is a stepping stone for Goku and Vegeta as they continue to go toward reaching SSJG on their own.

Hear me out, in the original Japanese version of FNF GPSSJ is described as "Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God". This is vague and confusing and was interpreted differently by a number of different people. Some thought this to mean that it was SSJG as Goku's new base power + a boost relative to the increase a normal saiyan's base form gets by becoming a normal SSJ. This would pretty much make GPSSJ another word for SSJG2. This is the most inaccurate interpretation as far as I can tell. Another interpretation which is a lot more likely to be true is that GPSSJ is Goku using Super Saiyan to draw out all of the power of Super Saiyan God making GPSSJ on par with SSJG and thus replacing it altogether as complete mastery of SSJG's power without the drawback of a time limit. My interpretation is similar, but a little different. Let me explain:

In BOG, Goku goes SSJ after losing SSJG seemingly drawing out more of his new found power instinctively. Goku has a moment where he can seemingly match Beerus like this, much like Vegeta did after Beerus hit Bulma, but shortly after is on the verge of death to Beerus' ball of ki. Assuming the SSJG form on his own for a moment, Goku completely obliterates the ball of ki that pushed him to the brink of death moments ago, shocking Beerus.

What does this have to do with GPSSJ you ask? Well, this scene shows the gap between SSJG and Goku's new SSJ(after experiencing SSJG). His SSJ is now far stronger than before, but still much weaker than SSJG itself. What if by what was said in FNF "This is Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God" they meant "This is Super Saiyan with the same type of ki as Super Saiyan God(which I'll be calling god power)"? This could mean that GPSSJ isn't complete mastery of SSJG's power in the SSJ form, but instead is just an advanced version of the SSJ that Goku used against Beerus in BOG and therefore draws out more god power than before. The visual change in the form itself could be due to how far Goku has come since BOG, as his SSJ is now coming closer to the level of SSJG it's starting to resemble SSJG more. Though it's not a perfect example, compare the relationship between FPSSJ and SSJ2 with GPSSJ and SSJG.

The scene where Goku becomes a SSJG on his own for a moment has always foreshadowed to me that he would eventually be able to do it on his own and that he'd surpass Beerus with it someday.

My theory even correlates with the FUNI dub version of Goku explaining GPSSJ which was something a long the lines of "I reached new heights when I experienced Super Saiyan God, now I'm able to draw out some of that power with Super Saiyan." One could argue that this could just be FUNI being way off, but FUNI and localization in general have VASTLY improved these years and I could easily see this likely being them seeing the original explanation as vague and confusing and asking for clarity on the matter and the end result being their dub having a clearer explanation on what GPSSJ is than what we got in the original Japanese version of FNF. So again, what if Goku is using SSJ to draw out more god power somewhat like he did in BOG, but has far more mastery over doing so and is narrowing the gap between his SSJ and SSJG? GPSSJ even visually looks like it's in between SSJ and SSJG. I mean it's just SSJ but more ethereal looking. Toriyama has even said in an interview that he thinks red is a stronger color than blue, if you ask me it all checks out and nothing so far contradicts it.

Another thing about this, is why only SSJ? Why not SSJ3 as well for even more power? The way I see it, drawing out more god power is either instinctively or physically tied to transforming for Goku and Vegeta(and saiyans in general). Think about how the old Kaioshin's power up worked for Gohan. Gohan asks how to draw out his new power and he's told "just do your super whatever." I think it's somewhat similar with GPSSJ. I think using SSJ3 wouldn't be worth doing because it wouldn't draw out more god power than transforming into a mere SSJ and would only strain his body more.

When it comes to GPSSJ being weaker than SSJG, I think a number of things imply and/or somewhat prove it. In FNF Whis says that Goku and Vegeta could be a match for Beerus if they worked together. If Goku's SSJG in BOG was around 70% Beerus and Whis is questioning the possibility of Goku and Vegeta even being a MATCH for Beerus together. That makes them quite a bit lower in strength than the SSJG we see in BOG since I'm sure two people with the power of SSJG Goku in BOG would be more than a match for Beerus and Goku and Vegeta seem about even in FNF.

All things considered, I honestly wouldn't mind if I'm wrong and GPSSJ really replaces SSJG altogether. It took me some time to warm up to SSJG, but I liked the look of GPSSJ the moment I saw it on screen. The biggest criticism it gets is that it's just a recolor of SSJ, but I mean it really is JUST an altered SSJ. Personally, I think just being colored differently and having a more ethereal aura is enough of a difference for a form that is just SSJ with god power.

[bleed0range]

I don't think so. Fans of the Japanese VA cast aren't going to watch the dub anyway, and dub fans are only watching fansubs because that's all that's available, but they won't be fully satisfied until they see the FUNimation dub.

I'm a dub fan who happens to also love the Japanese version (because it's the original and the dub used to be the worst thing ever). I grew up with the English VAs, but I also watched all the movies and stuff that hadn't been dubbed yet back in the day in Japanese. I'm sure there are more of me out there.

[Hellspawn28]

Maybe they can air Super dub alongside Kai on Toonami? Kai at 12:00 AM and Super at 12:30 AM.

[bleed0range]

Maybe they can air Super dub alongside Kai on Toonami? Kai at 12:00 AM and Super at 12:30 AM.

That would make the most sense to me. They need to get on this dub soon! I miss the old midnight run double feature of DBZ.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Regarding SSJGSSJ(which I will refer to as GPSSJ "God Power Super Saiyan" because I think it's a more suiting name), I don't think it's going to replace SSJG altogether.

The way I've pretty much always interpreted it, is that GPSSJ is weaker than SSJG and is a stepping stone for Goku and Vegeta as they continue to go toward reaching SSJG on their own..

No, Goku absorbed SSG and has SSG power available to him in his base form. He's basically always a God now, and when you combine that with SS, you get SSGSS.

This is from an interview with Toriyama

Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

[Chuquita]

*Nods sadly*. Ssjg is likely sunk again after the ReBOG arc (but I shall enjoy it while it lasts) unless they really go in there and rewrite how ssjg's achieved and the rules regarding how it works. (Which would be nice, but I'm not counting on that happening; I feel I've already gotten incredibly lucky just to get to see magenta!haired Gokû one last time; by all accounts he should've been vanished away forever ala the nyoi-bo and regular use of Kinto'un).

[ArcaneSuperSaiyan]

Regarding SSJGSSJ(which I will refer to as GPSSJ "God Power Super Saiyan" because I think it's a more suiting name), I don't think it's going to replace SSJG altogether.

The way I've pretty much always interpreted it, is that GPSSJ is weaker than SSJG and is a stepping stone for Goku and Vegeta as they continue to go toward reaching SSJG on their own..

No, Goku absorbed SSG and has SSG power available to him in his base form. He's basically always a God now, and when you combine that with SS, you get SSGSS.

This is from an interview with Toriyama

Yeah I know of that interview, but I find it odd that what he says in it contradicts BOG itself where Goku DOES use SSJG again on his own.

As far as base Goku always being on par with SSJG goes, again BOG shows the opposite. His base form is now able to use god power yes, but it is certainly not on par with SSJG. GPSSJ could be, and that could be what Toriyama meant by him not needing SSJG anymore.

[MaGyunia]

My theory is that whereas Super Saiya-jin God drastically increases the maximum power of a Saiya-jin, enables him to absorb energy, makes his Ki undetectable to non-gods, etc., Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin is a complete mastery of the Super Saiya-jin God particular stage and achieved much in the same way any form of Super Saiya-jin is, which means it brings back to the Super Saiya-jin's natural thirst for battle, while I'm sure it still enables the Saiya-jin's Ki to be undetectable by non-gods.

Regarding Super Saiya-jin God, it's said by Beerus himself that Goku's talents for fighting somehow enabled him to "assimilate" that level of power into himself, so after first turning SSG, even if he wasn't physically in the stage, he basically had all the powers and characteristics of Super Saiya-jin God. We saw him in these circumstances when fighting Beerus both in his base form and Super Saiya-jin form and while training with Whis and fighting Freeza in Fukkatsu no F. At that point even if Goku doesn't actually undergo the physical transformation into Super Saiya-jin God, he (and Vegeta, who must have achieved SSJG as well at some point between BoG and Fukkatsu no F) has all the characteristics of the SSJG stage, namely the massive power increase, ability to sense godly Ki, etc.

We've already seen Goku going through the process of achieving Super Saiya-jin God in BoG (although the way to achieve it in DBSuper will necessarily be different), but one of the things that happened in between BoG and Fukkatsu no F that I'd like DBSuper to show is how exactly Goku and Vegeta eventually realize there is a further stage/evolution from Super Saiya-jin God and achieve Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin.

I love Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin when the aura is flaming, but I don't think it looks too good when there's no aura. For example, when Vegeta is about to finish Freeza off, the blue color on his air somehow doesn't look too right, but that's just the color they went for. They could have chosen to have no recoloring at all, but in the end the entire thing about transforming into any stage of Super Saiya-jin is a physical transformation which includes a recoloring of the Saiya-jin's body-hair. Nobody ever complained about having the Saiya-jin turn golden during/as a consequence of a transformation into any stage of Super Saiya-jin, so the recoloring shouldn't be such a problem.

I read some of you discussing Super Saiya-jin 2. It's basically the first real stage of Super Saiya-jin beyond the "regular" Super Saiya-jin. The first Super Saiya-jin stage had a total of four different sub-types: normal Super Saiya-jin, Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai, Super Saiya-jin Dai San Dankai and Super Saiya-jin Full Power. Super Saiya-jin 2 adds little change to the Super Saiya-jin's appearance, but the power increase is massive and it looked fantastic on teen Gohan when he thrashed Cell at the Cell Games. We could argue that Super Saiya-jin 2 is the real follow-up to the first, regular Super Saiya-jin stage, and the only or first one that TRULY "goes beyond the limits of Super Saiya-jin", as Goku, Mirai no Trunks and Vegeta so frequently comment during the Cell arc.

[ArchedThunder]

Hopefully Funi and Toonami haven't signed such a deal and don't.

We know they have it and are done dubbing it so why else wouldn't they start releasing it ? some are saying it's Toie's fault but if that was the case wouldn't it apply to France and Korea as well ?

I'm talking about Super, not the Kai Buu arc.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Regarding SSJGSSJ(which I will refer to as GPSSJ "God Power Super Saiyan" because I think it's a more suiting name), I don't think it's going to replace SSJG altogether.

The way I've pretty much always interpreted it, is that GPSSJ is weaker than SSJG and is a stepping stone for Goku and Vegeta as they continue to go toward reaching SSJG on their own..

No, Goku absorbed SSG and has SSG power available to him in his base form. He's basically always a God now, and when you combine that with SS, you get SSGSS.

This is from an interview with Toriyama

Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

But it begs the question about the /entire/ ending scene in Battle of Gods... Why was Super Saiyan regular blonde and not blue? Why was it even possible for him to go back into God?

[ArcaneSuperSaiyan]

But it begs the question about the /entire/ ending scene in Battle of Gods... Why was Super Saiyan regular blonde and not blue? Why was it even possible for him to go back into God?

Exactly. That interpretation really doesn't add up at all.

[Chuquita]

I'm interested to learn just how near or far Super's backstory on ssjg differs from BOG's. I really want to see them explore Super's version of ssjg's unique features and drawbacks before we ultimately have to move on to blueper. More than an extra life, this is more like their final chance to do something more than a oneshot battle with ssjg; I want to see them take it.

[GokuRules987]

I personally dont think super saiyan god super saiyan is a true super saiyan god form either because goku is still pretty weak compared to beerus and whis. Goku is still regadless of his power is very squishy with that frieza laser thing and him almost dying by beerus sun busting attack.
If Goku had an God armor and a blue super saiyan hair, I think then you could trully consider him a super saiyan god who can make beerus and maybe even whis run for their money XD

[SaiyanZ]

Regarding SSJGSSJ(which I will refer to as GPSSJ "God Power Super Saiyan" because I think it's a more suiting name), I don't think it's going to replace SSJG altogether.

The way I've pretty much always interpreted it, is that GPSSJ is weaker than SSJG and is a stepping stone for Goku and Vegeta as they continue to go toward reaching SSJG on their own..

No, Goku absorbed SSG and has SSG power available to him in his base form. He's basically always a God now, and when you combine that with SS, you get SSGSS.

This is from an interview with Toriyama

Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

But it begs the question about the /entire/ ending scene in Battle of Gods... Why was Super Saiyan regular blonde and not blue? Why was it even possible for him to go back into God?

He probably hadn't learned how to properly combine the 2. Like training with Whis gave him better control of it rather than him just feeling it out for the first time in base at the end of BoG.