Captain Space wrote:GokuRules987 wrote:I personally dont see why Super should go for more than 100 episodes because for one reason, i highly doubt the series will ever surpass DBZ because Toriyama's hardcore character designing days are simply over, all they're doing now is just milking the franchise and throwing some shitty comedy into it.
I mean after Battle of gods came out everyone was saying OMG this is going to be the first canon DBZ movie with Toriyama heavily involved as it was the continuation of the original manga. But now what do we get now? Same exact thing that happens to be in a different timeline with new rewritten antagonists. I mean where is the whole mystic excitement that GT was able to bring us? I have nothing to look forward here because all Toriyama is doing here is pulling the series back into the movies and changing certain things here and there. Just more laziness from him.
And I dont even know how i feel about the whole traveling to a different universe thing in search for super dragon balls. This might just end up being Namek saga 2.0 with some powerful new villain who happens to end up also searching for those super dragon balls aswel. Doesn't Toriyama understand that what made DBZ so successful is the originally and uniqueness of his story? You cant just ring that same bell twice and think that the same amount of people who looked at you once will look at you again and same as a crying wolf.
And then there are those of us who enjoyed the comedy, didn't get 'mystic excitement' from GT and like the new character designs...
Exactly. There simply is no way we can even compare DBSuper, or any of the recent material we got in the last few years, to GT. GT was a set of hastily-made-up quick stories invented right after everyone was already pretty much at a loss for ideas after so much creativeness for all the continuous DBZ arcs, plus it got partially or totally rid of fundamental characters with fantastic backgrounds, had a number of issues regarding power levels, Toriyama wasn't involved, etc. I mean, do we even have to point out, identify or list the number of things that went wrong with GT yet again? It's been done multiple times over the years. I was quite relieved they got "rid" of it and Toriyama himself said it was "non-canon" and more like a side-story, pretty much in the same way the 13 movies of DBZ were. I could finally wipe out GT from the series' main timeline and basically ignore it.
Of course, we can't expect DBSuper and any of the events and stories told in its arcs to be as bloody, violent or dramatic as they were in the later stages of DB and the entirety of DBZ, considering the partially new target audience it's directed to and the huge change everything works today when compared to the 80's and 90's, but the sheer fact Toriyama is involved pretty much assures me that most details will be given significant thought and the degree of creativeness won't have dropped that much when compared to what he came up with in the best of DB and DBZ.
It basically gets down to this: DBSuper will never be as good as DB and DBZ were at the height of their intricate plots, dramatic settings and development of fantastic characters and backgrounds, but it most certainly won't be as lacking and disappointing (to avoid using other, stronger adjectives) as GT was.
In my view, the comparison doesn't even make sense, except for the mere fact that both DBSuper and GT (at the time the latter was made, not anymore) happen after the last major arc in DBZ, or due to the fact that the concept of a new set of Dragon Balls will be introduced. Other than that, I think we should all just put GT in its place, lock it there and instead focus on DBSuper.
I'm hyped about pretty much all aspects of the series, but obviously the 6th Universe arc is the one I'm most looking forward to, as we'll no doubt be introduced to some new insanely powerful villain or antagonist, the tone of the series will perhaps get a little bit more serious and we're talking TRULY entirely new material, unlike the BoG and Fukkatsu no F arcs, which contain elements we've been already introduced to in the movies, although in different circumstances and at a different timing (Beerus, Whis, Super Saiya-jin God, Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin, Golden Freeza).
Seriously, Dragon Ball was my entire childhood and this new series is like a dream come true. If shows like Detective Conan and One Piece can do it, why not Dragon Ball? *wishful thinking* (♥ω♥ ) ~♪
