"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Cadellin]

I also think that once SSJG is introduced in the anime, that the scene at the end of the opening with Goku landing in front of his friends will end with him transforming into the state. At the moment it looks an awful lot like a frame-hold at the end of that shot; like they are simply pausing it the moment before the transformation. It would be a nod to ye olde openings from the Z era, of course.

[Chuquita]

That'd be awesome. (☆▽☆)
I hope they do that.

I know We Gotta Power ends on a group in base forms, but that one doesn't seem remembered as fondly as ChaLa, which did have the ssj1 at the end, so.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I don't see them time skipping to match BOG because if they were going to, why start where they did six months later instead of four years later? I'm pretty sure they're moving BOG to take place here instead, and going to change how we get to ssjg.

The did just wrap up the Buu arc, and is the logical time placement to show the downtime, slice of life stuff and re-introduce the characters. A time skip could be possible still, though it does seem unlikely (With Beerus being awake and all) but as Doctor. said not impossible. Also the way Toriyama worded the downtime stuff he made it seem like its a separate arc from BoG.

[alakazam^]

Judging by what we saw in the first episode, there's no way there'll be a timeskip for the KtK arc. Toriyama separating the downtime to the KtK arc is no different than the separation of Namek and Freeza arcs.

[TheGmGoken]

KTK arc? What's that?

[sanorin]

KTK arc? What's that?

I believe he's referring to Battle of Gods' Japanese name, Kami to Kami

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

KTK arc? What's that?

I believe he's referring to Battle of Gods' Japanese name, Kami to Kami

I dunno why he calls it that, tbh. Even in the Japanese poster it's clearly calls it Battle of Gods in perfect English text. It was never like Fukkatsu No F, where it was written in Japanese. It was only ever called "Kami To Kami" in promotional material. I seriously dunno why he's calling it Kami To Kami, it's just causing more confusion. I mean, go the whole way while you're at it. Call it "Doragon Boru Zetto", too.

[Birusu16]

I wonder what planet both beerus and whis are going to?

I'm still hoping they go to the planet we saw in the first chapter. If not then the scene we saw in the first episode was likely the same scene we saw in chapter 1 with just a different take.

Has there ever actually been official confirmation of how strong blue super saiyan is compared with SSG, Beerus, Whis, or SS4 or is everyone still speculating based upon their biases?

Well Golden Freeza is stronger than SSGSS and Akira Toriyama has a statement in the RoF book that Freeza can't beat Beerus no matter what he does, so essentially Golden Freeza, SSGSS Goku and Vegeta are still all below Beerus and Whis by a significant margin. There was also a statement by Whis in the movie that if Goku and Vegeta team up they can fight evenly with Beerus. It's unknown how any of these powers compare to anything in GT, so I can't help you on the comparison to SS4.

Has there ever actually been official confirmation of how strong blue super saiyan is compared with SSG, Beerus, Whis, or SS4 or is everyone still speculating based upon their biases?

Whis said Goku and Vegeta together could beat Beerus.

That's about it.

He said they could fight with him evenly, not beat him.

Spoiler:

Whis thinks it is a shame they don’t get along, because if they would just team up they could actually fight evenly with Beerus.

[dbgtFO]

I'm still hoping they go to the planet we saw in the first chapter. If not then the scene we saw in the first episode was likely the same scene we saw in chapter 1 with just a different take.

Most likely they will. The aliens are too different and so are the circumstances. Most likely Toyble's manga adaptation covers the most important parts of the episodes between chapters.
In the manga we already have Beerus going home, which probably leads to his talk with the Oracle Fish and his eventual trip to Kaio's planet.
Whereas in the anime he's still destroying planets, and doesn't know of SSGod.

[Doctor.]

Episode 3's title confirms something about Beerus remembering Super Saiyan God, so it's possible Toyotaro had access to the script and adapted that part early.

[Marco Polo]

It's Pan?

Holy shit Kinto-un is in the background behind that arrow!

[dbgtFO]

Episode 3's title confirms something about Beerus remembering Super Saiyan God, so it's possible Toyotaro had access to the script and adapted that part early.

Exactly. Since the manga is monthly and only 15 pages per chapter, Toyotaro probably has to cut out a large part of the story, so the manga can still act as a sneak-peek of what's to come.
It fits nicely that episode 3(which should contain the Beerus & Whis portion of chapter 1) will air just before the next chapter is released, which will probably give a sneak-peek of Goku's fight with Beerus.

@Marco Polo
That just looks like some random trees with the evening sun shining on them. It certainly has weird shading for it to be Kintoun.

[Basaku]

It's her knees lol.

Where we got Ep 3 title?

[dbgtFO]

It's her knees lol.

Where we got Ep 3 title?

Marco Polo seems to be referring to that yellow, fluffy shaped thing, that's underneath the palm trees and above Videl's knees.
They look like trees to me.
As for your 2nd question check page 2 of the animation staff thread.

[Birusu16]

Episode 3's title confirms something about Beerus remembering Super Saiyan God, so it's possible Toyotaro had access to the script and adapted that part early.

Hopefully that's the case!

[TripleRach]

I dunno why he calls it that, tbh. Even in the Japanese poster it's clearly calls it Battle of Gods in perfect English text. It was never like Fukkatsu No F, where it was written in Japanese. It was only ever called "Kami To Kami" in promotional material. I seriously dunno why he's calling it Kami To Kami, it's just causing more confusion. I mean, go the whole way while you're at it. Call it "Doragon Boru Zetto", too.

If by "promotional material" you mean the Japanese logo for the movie, including the title screen and the covers of the Blu-rays.

"Battle of Gods" is an English subtitle used in addition to the "Kami to Kami" (神と神) in the movie's title. When people write about the movie in Japanese, only 神と神 appears. It's just as valid a name for the movie as "Battle of Gods" if that's what someone prefers. Kind of like "Shingeki no Kyojin" versus "Attack on Titan."

"Doragon Booru Zetto" is just an approximation/pronunciation of "Dragon Ball Z." Completely different situation.

[irreality]

I dunno why he calls it that, tbh. Even in the Japanese poster it's clearly calls it Battle of Gods in perfect English text. It was never like Fukkatsu No F, where it was written in Japanese. It was only ever called "Kami To Kami" in promotional material. I seriously dunno why he's calling it Kami To Kami, it's just causing more confusion. I mean, go the whole way while you're at it. Call it "Doragon Boru Zetto", too.

I personally like the symmetry of the titles, FnF and KtK. Sort of wish more titles fit the pattern. (that said, I call it BoG).

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

https://youtu.be/nqK6NLncbXo

Dunno if there are any fans of Pellek here, but he just released his cover of the DB Super opening.

[Captain Space]

https://youtu.be/nqK6NLncbXo

Dunno if there are any fans of Pellek here, but he just released his cover of the DB Super opening.

Heard it and love it!

[MaGyunia]

I wonder what planet both beerus and whis are going to?

I'm still hoping they go to the planet we saw in the first chapter. If not then the scene we saw in the first episode was likely the same scene we saw in chapter 1 with just a different take.

Has there ever actually been official confirmation of how strong blue super saiyan is compared with SSG, Beerus, Whis, or SS4 or is everyone still speculating based upon their biases?

We can only speculate at this point, and maybe we'll never be entirely sure at all even after we get to see the expanded events in the BoG and Fukkatsu no F arcs in DBSuper, but I believe Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin is merely a slight improvement both Goku and Vegeta came up with when compared to plain Super Saiya-jin God, by mastering all aspects of the latter, while keeping all of its advantages (ability to sense godly Ki, massive increase in power, ability to make non-gods unable to sense their Ki) and inducing the typical fighting and violent tendencies of the Super Saiya-jin state into the stage. SSGSSJ might be a little messed up and a mix of circumstances - as Goku himself says to Freeza in Fukkatsu no F, "it's a little complex and hard to explain" - but, anyway, that's the best theory I can come up with. On another note, some fans weren't happy with the way it looked, but in my particular case I prefer it to the way SSJG looked on Goku in BoG and would look on Vegeta (on Vegeta it would even be worse, he would cease looking as menacing and serious as he always does). However, I prefer it to plain SSJG only when the aura is flaming, I wasn't too happy when I first saw Goku and Vegeta as SSJGSSJ, for example when Vegeta is about to finish Freeza off. That colour in his hair just didn't seem right for some reason to me.

As for the power levels of Golden Freeza, Beerus, Whis, SSJG Goku, SSJGSSJ Goku and SSJGSSJ Vegeta, I believe the Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin state makes the fighter slightly stronger than Super Saiya-jin God, but it's still not enough for Beerus or Whis. Vegeta AND Goku working together as SSJGSSJ would have a chance against Beerus, as Whis himself states, but only because there would be 2 against 1. On their own, neither would be able to beat Beerus even as SSJGSSJ, let alone Whis. We're not quite sure about the gap there is in power between Beerus and Whis, yet again we can only speculate, so I'm not even going to go that road, except for stating the obvious: in BoG it's stated by Beerus (and assumed by Goku) that Whis is more powerful than Beerus, as he's his teacher. What I was mostly surprised about in any of the two movies as far as new powers and stages goes was the level achieved by Freeza. We're talking about a fighter who had been overwhelmed in power as early as the Freeza arc itself; he didn't stand a chance against Mirai no Trunks, and Mirai no Trunks didn't stand a chance against #17 or #18, while these didn't stand a chance against Cell, and Cell in his second form didn't stand a chance against Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Vegeta, etc., etc. Freeza's level of power was pretty much ridiculous when compared to an enormous number of fighters in many stages throughout the Jinzouningen, Cell and Majin Buu arcs - Goku even disappointingly refers to it as "in hindsight, not much of a challenge" in the 2008 special. Nonetheless, he managed to skip all of these humongous increments in power by so many characters in such a short time and by the time he shows up on Earth in Fukkatsu no F he's right on top of the list again, close to or on par with the likes of SSJGSSJ Goku, SSJGSSJ Vegeta, Beerus and Whis. His power level skyrocketed from what it was before in a way that it can be seen by some as a poor way to have him become a serious menace again after so much time and hard to believe and swallow. He must be indeed a prodigy and must also have trained through special methods to increase his power by this huge volume. We'll definitely be able to expand a little more on how exactly he managed to increase his power by this much in the Fukkatsu no F arc in DBSuper. At least I really hope so.

Hence, my list as far as the new characters and stages from BoG and Fukkatsu no F goes would be as follows (from strongest to weakest, and I'm going to leave Champa and his attendant out of it as we really have no idea at this point where they stand as far as power level goes, though we can conceive our own theories regarding that matter):
1 - Whis
2 - Beerus
3 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Goku
4 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
5 - Golden Freeza
6 - Super Saiya-jin God Goku
7 - Base Goku after having "absorbed" the abilities of SSJG
8 - Base Vegeta after having absorbed the abilities of SSJG
9 - Freeza in his fourth form after undergoing training
10 - Freeza in his first form after undergoing training (remember, he knocked Ultimate Gohan out with a single punch in this stage, although we could theoretically attribute this to Gohan's having let his guard down or some variation of this)