Bullza wrote:Pokémon X and Y wasn't a remake and that sold worse too though. Yokai Watch 2 didn't come out until after the 2014 World Cup was over and that was the game that made the franchise take off.
It's not like it's dead but it is dying off and not that slowly.
The sales for the games are decreasing. The movies which had consistently been making over ¥4 billion for years are now failing to reach ¥3 billion. In a desperate attempt to boost them back up the latest movie has shoved in all the legendary Pokémon in there for some battle royale.
The TV Ratings which used to range from 5-6 a year ago have now dropped to between 3.5-4.5.
It's been replaced by McDonald's and other endorsements. Surely in merchandise found in arcades.
Yokai Watch is still a new thing too and it's already had this kind of effect on it. Give it time and it's only going to get even more popular and Pokémon will suffer even more.
How did it do worse when you said 3 games in total made 5 million when 2 (XY) made 4.5 million?
Yokai Watch already took off before the sequel, the first game was at the top of the charts for a long time.
Without Google searching, is Yokai Watch the new Digimon (Pokemon rival featuring kids and cute/cool monsters) or something?
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:Without Google searching, is Yokai Watch the new Digimon (Pokemon rival featuring kids and cute/cool monsters) or something?
Pretty much, yeah. It basically the result of Digimon and Ben 10 doing the fusion dance.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
How did it do worse when you said 3 games in total made 5 million when 2 (XY) made 4.5 million?
Well it's just three versions of the same game that is Yokai Watch 2. It's like how Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald were three versions of the same game.
Though yes it did have an extra version when compared to XY and ORAS.
Yokai Watch already took off before the sequel, the first game was at the top of the charts for a long time.
It was only somewhat popular. It came out mid 2013 and sold 290,000 copies by the end of the year. Then in 2014 something happened because that year it sold 1 million copies and most of them likely came from the goodwill of the second game.
Pokemon is making a Hail Mary with this latest movie. Tomioka Atsuhiro wrote the movie, his first for the franchise. Tomioka has been in charge of series composition for the animated programs since Diamond & Pearl and was wrote many great episodes for said series. Iwane Masa'aki was also asked to work on the film, something he hasn't done in several years. Although Yuyama Kunihiko is still directing there is definitely a sense that they're trying to improve the quality of the films, if only still within their strict set of rules.
Anyhoo, if Dragon Ball Kai can survive the ratings game this long then Dragon Ball Super will, especially if merchandising sales increase.
About Pokemon, those games are TOO powerful to be beaten so easily.
It's like Call of Duty, it always sells a lot.
If Game Freak decided to annualize their releases, add a shit-ton of content, new mechanics etc... they could rival Yo-Kai watch.
I think RBY remakes would totally crush it sales-wise. They just have to make them right. I honestly dislike Yo-Kai watch so probably it was marketed it a lot better than Pokemon. Also let's not forget Pokemon has an HUGE fanbase of nostalgic people.
To not go Off Topic - Why do you guys think DBS can't go first on ratings? If the story is well done and intriguing even non DB fans would start watching it.
悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”
What I consider canonical
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Dragon Ball Manga
Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
Additional lore from Toriyama
Dragon Ball Daima
I haven't even seen a trailer of the Yokai Watch game. I don't have a clue what it's about except it's another Japanese handheld RPG with cutesy monsters.
It's bigger than Pokémon in Japan now but not nearly as big as Pokémon at it's peak. I don't see it having the same impact in the rest of the world like Pokémon did though.
I'm not sure when we'll get the ratings for DB Super. There's a chance the first episode could be #1 but not every week. It'll get good ratings though, that's almost a given.
emperior wrote:To not go Off Topic - Why do you guys think DBS can't go first on ratings? If the story is well done and intriguing even non DB fans would start watching it.
For the reasons mentioned, especially the timeslot. If Super aired, say, on Sunday nights alongside Sazae-san, that would be a very real possibility.
I don't want people to be disappointed when it's not #1, it doesn't sound realistic. But it will do great, i'm sure about that. As long as it is in the top 10 and merchandise sells, it can be called a success.
ANN is usually two weeks behind. Video Research is the source they use, i honestly don't know how to navigate through this site ever since they revamped it though.
This is another interesting source for ratings, it's about the most recorded shows of the week. We can see here, in their most recent update, that the penultimate episode of Kai was the 9th animation for its week.
If they counted with everyone that watched the streaming worlwide, Sazae-san was doomed.
But since I've been following tv ratings these last years, if Super reaches top 5 its already impressive. Its not impressive being in top10 because Kai was always there.
I just hope the new series after almost 20 years gets better rankings than Kai.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
Favourite old DB Animators: Masaki Sato and Tadayoshi Yamamuro
Favourite new DB Animators: Yuya Takahashi and Chikashi Kubota
