How does SSG work?

[Makai]

I've been wondering this, in BOG, Goku didn't stand a chance against Beerus until he became a Super Saiyan God. Once he did transform he became strong enough to fight with him. So is SSG based on strength? Or is the transformation itself just powerful? If someone as strong as Raditz were to become a SSG, would he become strong enough to fight Beerus, or does his original strength play a factor? And what would happen after time ran out, and he were to absorb it's power?

[dbgtFO]

I've been wondering this, in BOG, Goku didn't stand a chance against Beerus until he became a Super Saiyan God. Once he did transform he became strong enough to fight with him. So is SSG based on strength? Or is the transformation itself just powerful? If someone as strong as Raditz were to become a SSG, would he become strong enough to fight Beerus, or does his original strength play a factor? And what would happen after time ran out, and he were to absorb it's power?

Toriyama said the resulting power is dependent on the person's original strength, so it would make sense to say there is a specific power multiplier.
I thought your last question was already dealt with in BoG?

[supercat]

Although the SSG transformation itself likely entails a spectacular power increase, base power does in fact have an influence on the overall power of an SSG.

To answer your question, no transformation that's been shown up to date would ever grant Raditz with what he needs to avoid getting one-shotted by Beerus.

If the transformation times out, the user should still have access to a good portion of their SSG powers while being privileged with the luxury of staying in base form. This convenience would be a result of their body absorbing the power and in a sense holding onto it.

[Hitiro]

If the transformation times out, the user should still have access to a good portion of their SSG powers while being privileged with the luxury of staying in base form. This convenience would be a result of their body absorbing the power and in a sense holding onto it.

This only remains true if you are a genius like Goku or Vegeta though? The original SSJGod didn't retain the power and died as a result. If he had kept a good portion of the SSJGod power I doubt he would have died.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well we know that SSJ1 is 50x base form, SSJ2 is 2x SSJ1, SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2, and it's my headcanon that SSJ4 is 10x SSJ3, and SSJG is 16 and 2/3 times SSJ3. SSJGSSJ might be 20x SSJ3.

[Hitiro]

Well we know that SSJ1 is 50x base form, SSJ2 is 2x SSJ1, SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2, and it's my headcanon that SSJ4 is 10x SSJ3, and SSJG is 16 and 2/3 times SSJ3. SSJGSSJ might be 20x SSJ3.

Why the random multiplier for SSJG? 16.66x SSJ3 seems odd.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well we know that SSJ1 is 50x base form, SSJ2 is 2x SSJ1, SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2, and it's my headcanon that SSJ4 is 10x SSJ3, and SSJG is 16 and 2/3 times SSJ3. SSJGSSJ might be 20x SSJ3.

Why the random multiplier for SSJG? 16.66x SSJ3 seems odd.

It's something I came up with when trying to work out BoG power levels. I wanted nice round numbers for power levels and it turned out that was the multiplier that was required.

[supercat]

If the transformation times out, the user should still have access to a good portion of their SSG powers while being privileged with the luxury of staying in base form. This convenience would be a result of their body absorbing the power and in a sense holding onto it.

This only remains true if you are a genius like Goku or Vegeta though? The original SSJGod didn't retain the power and died as a result. If he had kept a good portion of the SSJGod power I doubt he would have died.

Could it be that base power is a major variable in determining whether the Saiyan will absorb the power or simply cease to exist? I mean Goku and Vegeta were both likely worlds above the original SSG, so it's safe to assume that their high starting point is what granted them with the perk of keeping their power.

Raditz likely wouldn't be a recipient of such a benefit with his pathetic 1,200 or 1,500 base power.

[Hitiro]

If the transformation times out, the user should still have access to a good portion of their SSG powers while being privileged with the luxury of staying in base form. This convenience would be a result of their body absorbing the power and in a sense holding onto it.

This only remains true if you are a genius like Goku or Vegeta though? The original SSJGod didn't retain the power and died as a result. If he had kept a good portion of the SSJGod power I doubt he would have died.

Could it be that base power is a major variable in determining whether the Saiyan will absorb the power or simply cease to exist? I mean Goku and Vegeta were both likely worlds above the original SSG, so it's safe to assume that their high starting point is what granted them with the perk of keeping their power.

Raditz likely wouldn't be a recipient of such a benefit with his pathetic 1,200 or 1,500 base power.

Maybe, but I honestly don't know. It may just be that they are both geniuses from their long lives of martial arts. I would imagine back in the day the Saiyan's didn't live for very long as they would die in battle fairly regularly.

[supercat]

Maybe, but I honestly don't know. It may just be that they are both geniuses from their long lives of martial arts. I would imagine back in the day the Saiyan's didn't live for very long as they would die in battle fairly regularly.

I'm not sure if their prowess in martial arts would have that much of a contribution as that would mean less experienced Saiyans like Gohan, Goten, and Trunks would suffer the same fate as the original SSG, despite their insanely high battle power.

Perhaps having a high starting point in power is coupled with the durability necessitated for absorbing the powers. I never really quite understood how the specifics behind this all worked either.

[Saiyan007]

SSJG multiplier is huge like really massive thanks to Goku's statement that a finger flick from beerus( a heavily supressed Beerus btw) would make fusion with Vegeta obsolete.

So that means SSJG multiplier > ssj3 vegito

You would have to say any form of Vegito because that would be denying probable cause

And to get Vegito base power it's Goku x Vegeta

Low balling Goku and Vegeta base power we'll say it's only 5 million (it's higher but we'll go with that for now)

Base Vegitio would have a power lvl of 25 trillion and that's only his base form.

Remember Goku said a flick from Beerus is more power than Vegito no matter what form

So as you can see the SSJG multiplier is huge

Give Kid Goku(from his first appearence) the SSJG multiplier and he'll beat everyone from the buu saga with the upmost ease.

[mogi67]

Well we know that SSJ1 is 50x base form, SSJ2 is 2x SSJ1, SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2, and it's my headcanon that SSJ4 is 10x SSJ3, and SSJG is 16 and 2/3 times SSJ3. SSJGSSJ might be 20x SSJ3.

Why the random multiplier for SSJG? 16.66x SSJ3 seems odd.

It's something I came up with when trying to work out BoG power levels. I wanted nice round numbers for power levels and it turned out that was the multiplier that was required.

The funny thing is that power levels were introduced to show how fruitless it is to try to quantify someone's power ^_^

[Birusu16]

Seems like a multiplier considering Toriyama said that SSJG depends on how strong the individual already is.

[Polyphase Avatron]

The funny thing is that power levels were introduced to show how fruitless it is to try to quantify someone's power ^_^

I know, but I don't think there's a DB fan who hasn't tried to compile their own list of power levels at least once, no matter how pointless it ultimately is.