F**k this commercial

SuperSaiyanHedgehog · Post by **SuperSaiyanHedgehog** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:33 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFI2iER_WQ0

Found this in another thread... WTF. Did anyone else feel the same rage I just did?

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:36 pm

Why would I feel rage? This was 12 years ago, and that dub is irrelevant now. Not only is the dub available with the original score, but the Japanese version is as well.

I will say though, that I never liked GTs dub. I couldn't stand the music (and that was what I loved about it when I was a kid and discovered the Japanese version), and there were some really problematic casting decisions, like Pan and Gill's dub voices. It's not something that I rage over to this day, though. I still have the Japanese version.

SuperSaiyanHedgehog · Post by **SuperSaiyanHedgehog** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:40 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:Why would I feel rage? This was 12 years ago, and that dub is irrelevant now. Not only is the dub available with the original score, but the Japanese version is as well.

I will say though, that I never liked GTs dub. I couldn't stand the music (and that was what I loved about it when I was a kid and discovered the Japanese version), and there were some really problematic casting decisions, like Pan and Gill's dub voices. It's not something that I rage over to this day, though. I still have the Japanese version.

Yeah, you're right. There isn't really anything to rage over. (I guess I was in a rush to think of a sentence that would start the conversation. lol)
But still, I can't help but imagine how people felt back when this was first made.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:42 pm

I think FUNi's GT dub contributed to my initial loss of interest of Dragon Ball back around 2003, at the very least. I loved the Japanese score for GT, and it was a huge disappointment for me.

SuperSaiyanHedgehog · Post by **SuperSaiyanHedgehog** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:49 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:I think FUNi's GT dub contributed to my initial loss of interest of Dragon Ball back around 2003, at the very least. I loved the Japanese score for GT, and it was a huge disappointment for me.

Yeah, I get that FUNimation wanted to change the show for Western audiences (well, actually, I don't get it, I think it could have been just as popular if they hadn't done so), but they could have at least treated the JPN version with some respect. I think I like this commercial a lot better.

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:20 pm

I always interpreted FUNimation's dubbing of GT's OP and ED songs in their late 2000's DVD release as a symbolic apology. To be more specific, an apology for their attitude towards the show that they displayed when they first got it (and the attitude displayed in the commercial mentioned in the opening post).

I mean, think about it. They didn't need to dub the songs (they could have just kept the Japanese audio like they did for DBZ's DVD release), they never once mentioned or advertised them, and it's not like the DVD sets were going to sell better as a result. In some ways, it was a hint of what was to come with the Kai dub: them just presenting an English dub of the original material, rather than trying to "reversion" it.

DoomieDoomie911 · Post by **DoomieDoomie911** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:22 pm

Good thing FUNimation has gotten there act together over the years...

DoomieDoomie911 · Post by **DoomieDoomie911** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:24 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:I always interpreted FUNimation's dubbing of GT's OP and ED songs in their late 2000's DVD release as a symbolic apology. To be more specific, an apology for their attitude towards the show that they displayed when they first got it (and the attitude displayed in the commercial mentioned in the opening post).

I mean, think about it. They didn't need to dub the songs (they could have just kept the Japanese audio like they did for DBZ's DVD release), they never once mentioned or advertised them, and it's not like the DVD sets were going to sell better as a result. In some ways, it was a hint of what was to come with the Kai dub: them just presenting an English dub of the original material, rather than trying to "reversion" it.

This.

I do have to give FUNimation a lot of credit. They've really, really changed in the last 12-15 years.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:49 pm

Well, they knew GT flopped in Japan, and assumed fans were aware of that too. They went all out trying to "fix" it by adding that soundtrack and skipping the entire first saga in hopes that jumping straight into the action would result in a successful series in the US. Unfortunately, they made a bad series worse. Much, much worse.

I prefer Faulconer over the original DBZ soundtrack, but wtf was this garbage they replaced the Japanese OST with in GT? I've never heard a more repetitive soundtrack in my life. Is this really what they thought was "hip" during that period? lol.

Doctor. · Post by **Doctor.** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:02 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Well, they knew GT flopped in Japan, and assumed fans were aware of that too. They went all out trying to "fix" it by adding that soundtrack and skipping the entire first saga in hopes that jumping straight into the action would result in a successful series in the US. Unfortunately, they made a bad series worse. Much, much worse.

I prefer Faulconer over the original DBZ soundtrack, but wtf was this garbage they replaced the Japanese OST with in GT? I've never heard a more repetitive soundtrack in my life. Is this really what they thought was "hip" during that period? lol.

I've seen a few clips of the Funimation GT dub on Youtube a bunch of times, and it's like they have Super #17's theme (?) playing 24/7, lol.

successoroffate · Post by **successoroffate** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:04 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Well, they knew GT flopped in Japan, and assumed fans were aware of that too. They went all out trying to "fix" it by adding that soundtrack and skipping the entire first saga in hopes that jumping straight into the action would result in a successful series in the US. Unfortunately, they made a bad series worse. Much, much worse.

I prefer Faulconer over the original DBZ soundtrack, but wtf was this garbage they replaced the Japanese OST with in GT? I've never heard a more repetitive soundtrack in my life. Is this really what they thought was "hip" during that period? lol.

If you ask me Faulconer killed Dragon Ball in the United States. GT was known for its amazing Japanese record that most of us still hold dear and love. Take one scene for example, Goku doing the Genkidama against Omega, watch the two versions and you'll see how different they are just by the music.

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:42 pm

successoroffate wrote:If you ask me Faulconer killed Dragon Ball in the United States. GT was known for its amazing Japanese record that most of us still hold dear and love.

Well, Faulconer didn't compose music for GT. That was a guy by the name of Mark Menza, if I'm not mistaken. Faulconer and FUNimation had a falling out, and he didn't return for GT (despite starting a petition asking for FUNimation to bring him back). I think it was a lose-lose situation...fans of Tokunaga's score certainly didn't care for Menza's work but, quite frankly, neither did most dub fans, who wanted Faulconer back. Almost everybody who watched the English dub felt (at least a little, often much more than a little) alienated.

Having said that, I don't think Menza killed GT. He didn't help, but really, GT killed GT. It's not terrible, and there are indeed some beautiful moments, but overall, it was the story itself that just wasn't up to par with what had come before.

Cure Dragon 255 · Post by **Cure Dragon 255** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:43 pm

I'm not a Faulconer fanboy but I have to correct you there, Mark Menza did GT's score, not Faulconer

EDIT:Ninja'd

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:04 pm

I worded that badly. I didn't mean Faulconer also composed for GT. I meant I actually preferred the score Funimation replaced DBZ's OST with, but hated the one they replaced GT's OST with.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:49 am

It is kind of a jab at those who were fan of the the original subbed version GT, but I don't think it's something I would get angry over. Like fadeddreams5 notes, FUNi just assumed that most fans already knew how much of a flop GT was in Japan. Obviously, some fans didn't know. So, go figure.

Dbzejo · Post by **Dbzejo** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:36 pm

As much as GT sucks and gets all the hate, i recently rewatched it with japanese music for the first time and its a little bit better/nicer experience. I dont know for you guys, i like both sub and dub, but english dub + japanese music is like a heaven to me...

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:58 am

SuperSaiyanHedgehog wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFI2iER_WQ0

Found this in another thread... WTF. Did anyone else feel the same rage I just did?

Yeah, the rap OP/ED and the replacement score bothered me for exactly five seconds... before I switched the DVD audio over to Japanese.

I was one of those crazy people who bought every single volume of FUNi's GT DVDs as they were slowly coming out in the US. Never subjected myself to the Toonami/CN airings, personally.

Kakacarrottop · Post by **Kakacarrottop** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:20 am

fadeddreams5 wrote: wtf was this garbage they replaced the Japanese OST with in GT? I've never heard a more repetitive soundtrack in my life. Is this really what they thought was "hip" during that period? lol.

It's just typical 'edgy' FUNimation music made by some guy with a guitar and 90s synthesizer. I think the main problem with it was that it was on 24/7, which gave the feeling that it was just the same guitar riff being played over and over again.

samuraix123 · Post by **samuraix123** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:26 am

Kakacarrottop wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote: wtf was this garbage they replaced the Japanese OST with in GT? I've never heard a more repetitive soundtrack in my life. Is this really what they thought was "hip" during that period? lol.
It's just typical 'edgy' FUNimation music made by some guy with a guitar and 90s synthesizer. I think the main problem with it was that it was on 24/7, which gave the feeling that it was just the same guitar riff being played over and over again.

That was one of the reasons why I hated GT was the music. I heard the same songs over and over and just hearing Dun Dun Da Dun or however that goes just started making me aggravated but when I switch over to the Japanese soundtrack I was like Yeah! alright!

Edit - That stupid super 17's theme was it! haha I just seen it above.

PrinceVegetto · Post by **PrinceVegetto** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:40 am

Good thing FUNimation doesn't treat the japanese dub/score as it did in '03. I'm glad this video exists though

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