The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Wish I would've read the replies on Appule's BP before I made that fight with him involved. Thought he'd be around 15,000.

Lord Appule's full power could exceed 530,000.

[Lunatic Fringe]

-Videl w/ Kaioken vs. Kid Goku(start of the series)
-Kibito Kai vs. Majin Vegeta
-Saiyan Saga Oozaru Vegeta vs. Ginyu Saga Goku w/ Kaioken(1st round - no restrictions; at night w/ the full moon out, 2nd round - tail cutting/tail grabbing not allowed; artificial moon)
-Self Inflicted Captain Ginyu & Guldo vs. Burter, Jeice, & Recoome
-Appule & Cui vs. Post Elder Unlock Gohan & Post Elder Unlock Krillin

- Videl still gets her ass kicked
- Kibito Kai all the way
- The giant ape literally crushes Ginyu Goku
- Burter, Jeice, & Recoome are too much for Guldo and a practically dying Ginyu to handle
- Appule and Cui get turned into fruit juice by Krillin and Gohan

Just to be sure but did you think I meant Ginyu in Goku's body? I'm referring to Goku right before the body swap took place. His base BP should be 90,000, with his Kaioken self being 180,000.

[Doctor.]

Videl w/ Kaioken vs. Kid Goku(start of the series)

Considering the average human has a battle power of 5, Mr. Satan has the world champ so he has to have a power of 6. Videl is stronger, so she's at least a 6 too. When you have in mind that Goku's battle power is listed at 10 (which I agree with), then a Kaioken x2 would be enough for a somewhat even battle, but Videl would end up the winner. If Videl has access to any multiplier above 2 or her battle power is 7 or 8, however, she'd win easily.

-Kibito Kai vs. Majin Vegeta

I don't like to put much trust into gag scenes, but Kibitoshin was somewhat confident he'd beat Boo after being up close to Majin Vegeta and training with Gohan, who I consider to be stronger than Goku (and, by extension, Vegeta) post Z-Sword training. So, he'd win, though not comfortably.

-Saiyan Saga Oozaru Vegeta vs. Ginyu Saga Goku w/ Kaioken(1st round - no restrictions; at night w/ the full moon out, 2nd round - tail cutting/tail grabbing not allowed; artificial moon)

I give them both to Goku. He has the edge in battle power, meaning he has the edge in speed and, if the Vegeta himself is of any indication, the Kienzan is a move that's very easy to learn, so I don't doubt he'd be able to cut Vegeta's tail in round one. If not, then he'd associate the Oozaru with the moon and blow it up. In round two, I assume it was Vegeta who made the artificial moon, and as stated by both him and Goku in the Saiyan arc, creating such a moon decreases the user's power, so he'd be no match to Goku and get killed by him, who can control a Kaioken x2 without any noticeable damage to the body.

-Self Inflicted Captain Ginyu & Guldo vs. Burter, Jeice, & Recoome

Are you talking about Ginyu after he wounds himself and right before switching bodies? Because if so, I can't imagine him being any useful, so even with his help, Guldo would end up losing.

-Appule & Cui vs. Post Elder Unlock Gohan & Post Elder Unlock Krillin

Appule is basically useless here and numbers hardly work in Dragon Ball, so I'd say Cui wins with moderate difficulty. He seemed kinda dumb, however, so it's possible he could be beaten. Then again, he always gave the impression of being superior to Saiyan arc Vegeta, so perhaps he's not as dumb as he looks.

[Lord Beerus]

-Videl w/ Kaioken vs. Kid Goku(start of the series)
-Kibito Kai vs. Majin Vegeta
-Saiyan Saga Oozaru Vegeta vs. Ginyu Saga Goku w/ Kaioken(1st round - no restrictions; at night w/ the full moon out, 2nd round - tail cutting/tail grabbing not allowed; artificial moon)
-Self Inflicted Captain Ginyu & Guldo vs. Burter, Jeice, & Recoome
-Appule & Cui vs. Post Elder Unlock Gohan & Post Elder Unlock Krillin

- Videl still gets her ass kicked
- Kibito Kai all the way
- The giant ape literally crushes Ginyu Goku
- Burter, Jeice, & Recoome are too much for Guldo and a practically dying Ginyu to handle
- Appule and Cui get turned into fruit juice by Krillin and Gohan

Just to be sure but did you think I meant Ginyu in Goku's body? I'm referring to Goku right before the body swap took place. His base BP should be 90,000, with his Kaioken self being 180,000.

Shit, totally I mis-read. I read it as Ginyu Goku, as in Ginyu in Goku's body.

Goku wins rounds 1 but loses badly in round 2. Even though Goku had a BP of 90,000 at that time, throwing in the Kaioken would really make no difference unless he multiplies the strength of the power-up. This was proved when Goku first used the kaioken against Vegeta in the Saiyan arc and it didn't make a damn difference. It was only when Goku amplified the strength of the kaioken twofold that he got an advantage in the fight.

[supercat]

Thanks for all the replies and welcomes!

-Videl w/ Kaioken vs. Kid Goku(start of the series)
-Kibito Kai vs. Majin Vegeta
-Saiyan Saga Oozaru Vegeta vs. Ginyu Saga Goku w/ Kaioken(1st round - no restrictions; at night w/ the full moon out, 2nd round - tail cutting/tail grabbing not allowed; artificial moon)
-Self Inflicted Captain Ginyu & Guldo vs. Burter, Jeice, & Recoome
-Appule & Cui vs. Post Elder Unlock Gohan & Post Elder Unlock Krillin

-Videl w/ Kaioken vs. Kid Goku(start of the series)
Kid Goku casually defeats his future daughter-in-law.

-Kibito Kai vs. Majin Vegeta
Kibito Kai adds himself to the long list of fodder characters who have had the chance to one-up Vegeta.

-Saiyan Saga Oozaru Vegeta vs. Ginyu Saga Goku w/ Kaioken
Well hypothetically speaking, both fighters would be at around 180,000, so I'd say it could really go either way if tail cutting is not allowed. I'm going to assume Goku has full access to Kaioken without a time limit, otherwise this is just going to be a mismatch.

With the option to cut Vegeta down to size by slicing off his tail, we could expect the following:

*****Despite having a major size advantage, Vegeta at the best, is only able to fight on par with his adversary's Kaioken. Angered by his inability to crush his way through victory, Vegeta slams a powerful ki blast to where his opponent is standing. The repercussions of the explosion sends Goku flying into a nearby cavern of rocks. Realizing he doesn't have much time before the next attack comes his way, Goku bolts out of the pile of rubble and blitzes the giant ape in the abdomen, causing him to fall on his knees. Seeing an opening, he then attempts to kick the ape across the face, but is stopped midair when Vegeta slams his fist down on him.

Barely managing to avoid getting stomped, Goku flies up, and retaliates with a powerful ki blast. Although Vegeta manages to cross his arms and block the attack, the force behind it is enough to push him on his back.

Even with the Kaioken casually at his disposal, Goku realizes the only chance to really secure victory is to rid Vegeta of his tail. As he ponders how he could go about with such a task, he sees the giant ape kick up out off his back, and ferociously begin running his way. Goku knows a full on collision may do more harm than good at this point, so he quickly jolts straight into the air while keeping his eyes on his opponent. Vegeta jumps up in hopes of grabbing his foe, but Goku slips past and immediately retaliates by blitzing Vegeta full force on the bridge of his nose.

As the angry ape grabs his face in pain, Goku immediately vanishes and reappears in front of Vegeta's tail, and proceeds to slice it off with a Kienzan looking move.

After Vegeta is downsized, he is given the opportunity to surrender and walk away. Not willing to accept defeat, Vegeta charges at his opponent, only to be quickly subdued with a powerful punch to his stomach.*****

-Self Inflicted Captain Ginyu & Guldo vs. Burter, Jeice, & Recoome

*****Ginyu tells the trio of traitors that he will not suffer such insubordination. The three lackeys look at each other and wonder why they've never pursued such endeavors in the past.

Knowing there isn't much time to react, Ginyu tells Guldo to quickly paralyze the three turncoats. However, before Guldo even gets the chance to follow his captain's orders, he is kneed in the stomach by Burter.

After making sure his former comrade is dead, Burter begins throwing a fury of punches at his former leader. Although barely hanging on, Ginyu does manage to block his way through the lethal assault.

Annoyed that Burter is hogging all the fun, Jeice and Recoome immediately rush in with their own punches and kicks. Within seconds, the fight turns into a one-sided beat down with Ginyu mercilessly taking hit after another.

After a few more seconds of unfairly bullying around their former captain, Recoome sends the fallen leader flying back with a powerful punch to the face. Seizing this opportunity to claim the victory as his own, Jeice promptly fires a Crusher Ball. Unable to dodge, Ginyu is instantly incinerated by the attack.*****

-Appule & Cui vs. Post Elder Unlock Gohan & Post Elder Unlock Krillin
Appule is a completely irrelevant fodder here. He would be one-shotted by either Krillin or Gohan. While Cui, may have a slight chance of victory, taking on the combined powers of the duo may be too much for this lackey.

[Captain Space]

This was proved when Goku first used the kaioken against Vegeta in the Saiyan arc and it didn't make a damn difference. It was only when Goku amplified the strength of the kaioken twofold that he got an advantage in the fight.

He got a brief advantage with the basic Kaioken, then Vegeta adjusted and even x2 didn't help Goku. It was only x3 that gave him a full advantage...

(In any case, that doesn't make lower Kaioken levels useless. That's just the extent to which their base powers were different.)

[supercat]

Shit, totally I mis-read. I read it as Ginyu Goku, as in Ginyu in Goku's body.

Goku wins rounds 1 but loses badly in round 2. Even though Goku had a BP of 90,000 at that time, throwing in the Kaioken would really make no difference unless he multiplies the strength of the power-up. This was proved when Goku first used the kaioken against Vegeta in the Saiyan arc and it didn't make a damn difference. It was only when Goku amplified the strength of the kaioken twofold that he got an advantage in the fight.

You and me both! I assumed the first round meant Goku vs Oozaru Vegeta, where Vegeta stays in ape form, and the second round is the one that allows tail cutting.

Well regardless, unless Goku stays in Kaioken (180,000), it would be a one-sided fight in Vegeta's favor. For that reason, I gave Goku the privilege of having unlimited access to Kaioken when I wrote out my little scene.

[Kaboom]

Super 17 (possessed by Baby and post-KKx10) vs SSJ4 Vegeta
Kid Buu (with Kibito Kai and Babidi absorbed) vs SSJ3 Goku
Demon God Demigra (Final Form) vs Omega Shenron
Gear 4 Luffy vs King Piccolo
Everyone from Dragon Ball (from Pilaf Saga to Piccolo Jr. Saga) vs Radiz
Krillin (When he fight against Guldo) vs Kid Vegeta
LSSJ2 Bio-Broly vs SSJ Goten and Trunks
Veku vs Yamcha (Android saga)
SSJ Goku (Dragonball Super) vs SPC
SSJ3 Evil DBH Bardock vs Whis

— Super 17 can already tango with a Super Saiyan 4, so I'm guessing the added power boosts make this a sure thing for him.
— Well normally weird things can happen when Boo absorbs a Core Person, but I guess I'll keep it simple and assume this is an uncomplicated addition of power. Boo is already on-par with Goku, and the absorption increases that power by like one third, AND gives him some of Kibito and Kaioshin's techniques, AND maybe even Bobbidi's intelligence and magic. So I'm thinking Boo wins this one.
— No good way to tell. You can't really gauge the power of game villains who can be beaten by any random player schlub who's good enough at the game. Demigra DID go toe-to-toe with post-god Goku... but like I always say, we've got no good way to compare THAT level of power to GT characters either.
— Luffy's hella strong, especially in his new Fourth Gear, but he's not at "destroy an entire island in one attack" strong yet.
— Everyone? I'll assume you mean "every combatant character who at least had a name." Well there's such a large power difference between the different tiers of characters that Piccolo and Goku are probably still going to be the only ones who can even keep track of Raditz. But he'll still easily beat them and eradicate everyone else with ease, most likely.
— Vegeta said he surpassed his father when he was just a kid, but that doesn't mean before Vegeta Sr was killed or Planet Vegeta was destroyed. Kid Vegeta as we've seen him in stuff like the Bardock special and MInus is probably still well under the 10,000 mark in power level, and thus a good chunk inferior to the 13,000 power level of this Kuririn, who's also much older and better skilled.
— Bio-Broli was already stuck in a LSS-like state, and I'm of the mind that Broli's LSS form is already his own substitute for Super Saiyan 2... and Bio-Broli already beat Goten and Trunks in his movie, so...
— We have no good indication of Fat Gogeta's strength, and he only survived Janemba's attacks through the power of toonforce. There's no good way to compare him with anyone else.
— Since Super seems to start up only about half a year after Majin Boo's defeat, then Goku probably hasn't improved all that much yet (especially if he's spent a lot of his time farming), so he wouldn't be much stronger overall than he was against Boo. Which in my book means that his regular Super Saiyan 1 power doesn't quite measure up to even full-power Cell yet, much less "Super Perfect" Cell. Goku would definitely still need Super Saiyan 2 to win this fight.
— *Sigh* Pass.

EoS Krillin, Yamcha vs Planet Vegeta
BOG SSJ2 Vegeta vs Buutenks [Note: Vegeta is not enraged.]

— "EoS" meaning "end of series," I assume? Well, if you mean literally Planet Vegeta itself, then either Kuririn or Yamcha are strong enough to destroy it. If you mean the Saiyan population, then I think they'd eventually be overwhelmed. There's "only" a few thousand Saiyans, most of them with power levels well under 5,000, but Resurrection F has set a new precedent for strength in numbers within Dragon Ball. Plus, at least a few of them will know how to create a fake moon...
— Non-enraged Vegeta gets destroyed. Enraged Vegeta also gets destroyed. His waifu-avenging rage boost was only said to have made him stronger than Goku, and even if it was by a good amount, that doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger than other people who are stronger than Goku, like Gotenks-absorbed Boo here. Even if it DID put him on the level of such foes, like any "rage boost" it was a temporary fleeting thing that left him drained and vulnerable afterwards. And with Majin Boo the regeneration-spammer, that means death.

Tullece [post-1st fruit] vs. Gohan [post 2nd form Freeza beatdown zenkai]

Goku in Movie 3 had a power level of something over 30,000, which was boosted with a Kaio-Ken x10 to over 300,000. Tullece turned him into a punching bag. Meanwhile, the highest number we have for Gohan against Freeza is 200,000, less than what Movie 3 Goku could do. So the outcome of this fight seems pretty predictable, to me.

Gohan and Krillin (vs. 1st form Freeza) vs. Piccolo (post Kaio's planet)

I've taken to considering Piccolo's power level to be something between 30 and 50 thousand. That's enough to impress Nail and fight someone "stronger than Vegeta" like Pic seemed eager to do, while still keeping his training gains from one week at Kaio's to something realistic. Needless to say, that's a lot weaker than Kuririn's 75,000 and Gohan's 200,000.

Cyborg Tao vs. 23rd WMAT Krillin
Drum vs. 23rd WMAT Yamcha
Meta Cooler vs. #16
King Cold & Mecha Freeza vs. #19 & #20(1st battle - no restrictions, 2nd battle - malfunctioning ki absorbers for both #19 & #20)
3rd Form Freeza vs. Cell Saga Tenshinhan
Buu Saga SSJ Gohan(pre-Old Kai unlock) vs. Cell Jr.

— If this were normal Tao Pai Pai, then I'm sure Kuririn would win. But I'm not so sure about Cyborg Tao. I think this one's a 50/50 chance deal.
— Yamcha probably loses somehow.
— Metal Coola had multiple different levels of strength, getting boosted each time he was repaired. So obviously 16 could beat the versions of him that Goku and Vegeta could, but if Coola kept getting even stronger, that could change.
— If 19 and 20 don't get to leech any extra power for themselves, then they're doomed. I think they started out a good chunk weaker than 100% Freeza and only surpassed him due to all the ki they absorbed from the heroes. But for that first battle, where they CAN absorb it, the Androids will probably win. Cold is already more or less on their level, and it wouldn't take long for them to match Freeza.
— Seems to me like most of Gohan's power loss is limited to his SS2 form, and his regular Super Saiyan power wouldn't be much different from what it was at the Cell Games. So he's still more than a match for a single Cell Junior. The power difference is enough that his rusty skills wouldn't really matter. If something like 3 or more of them ganged up on him, though, he'd be in trouble.

Vegito (Saiyan Saga) vs Second form Freeza
The fusion potara of Uub, Gohan, Goten, Trunks combine (GT) vs Omega Shenron
10 Billion Hypothetical Fifth Form Meta-Coolers vs 17 and 18
Hirudegarn and Janemba vs SSJ3 Vegeta (EoZ)
Mastered Golden Freeza (After one year training in RoSat w/ no stamina loss) vs SSGSS Goku and SSGSS Vegeta
Kid Buu VS Everyone in Otherworld
Tenshinhan (Movie 9) vs 50% Final form Freeza
Dragonball Multiverse Vegito vs SSJG Goku
Krillin (During training with Roshi) vs Alien and Predator
Dio Brando vs Tambourine
SSJ4 Raditz vs First form Freeza
Filler Yamcha vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Sega)

— Unless he somehow gains access to Super Saiyan from becoming so strong, I don't think Vegetto could win this one. The Fusion wouldn't be as potent in my eyes as it was in the Boo arc because Vegeta and Goku are still too different and wouldn't make good Fusion ingredients.
— I'm thinking Super Yi Xing Long wins, for the same reasons as above. Goten and Trunks are the only one of the four who are similar and make a good match for Fusion.
— What? Is this some sort of spite match? Super Saiyan Goku struggled to defeat a single Metal Coola before it powered up, and the Android twins weren't all THAT much more powerful than either him or Vegeta. A literal billion Metal Coolas, all with the added power boost of the 5th form... they're going to overwhelm and slaughter 17 and 18 in a matter of seconds.
— Putting aside the constantly-shifting and unpredictable events of the new movies and Super... Vegeta wouldn't have increased all that much by the end of Z, considering mostly his age. His Boo-arc self was mostly equal to Goku, and SS3 Goku got his butt kicked by Janemba. So Janemba kicks Vegeta's butt too, especially with Hirudegarn backing him up.
— Assuming Freeza could keep training at that rate and not hit a plateau anytime soon, a year would be more than enough time for him to rocket ahead of Goku and Vegeta, and easily become capable of beating them both at once. He's already on-par with them as it is.
— Assuming you mean all the warriors on Grand Kaio's world... unless any of them have power at a Super Saiyan 3 level comparable to Goku or more, then they probably won't be able to overwhelm Boo. Some other fighter, maybe. Someone so relentless with such broken regeneration and stamina? Nah.
— Illogical filler power-ups don't work against major non-filler enemies. Ten gets slaughtered.
— Multiverse? Pass.
— He's not quite superhuman yet and can't sense ki to counteract Predator's stealth. Poor Kuririn probably dies. But I'm not overly familiar with those films, so don't take my word for it.
— Not familiar with JoJo. Pass.
— If Super Saiyan 4 works as some sort of instant dormant power unlocking instead of having a "multiplier," then there's no good way to judge how strong it'd make Raditz. Buuuut if for the sake of discussion we assume that it'll always be at least as powerful as Oozaru (x10) and Super Saiyan (x50) combined, then Raditz gets propelled up to a power level decently above Freeza's 530,000, and will probably win.
— Like I said above, filler-power loses its effectiveness against non-filler opponents. Yamcha dies.

Mr.Satan and Videl vs Giran
Appule vs Kurilin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chaotzu (Saiyan Saga)
Kaio and Enma Daio vs Nappa

— I'm not sure if Videl's minor amount of ki training would give her physical strength like Goku had against Giran. If he traps her in that slime stuff I don't see her managing to break out from it. Mr. Satan's probably not going to be much help.
— Do we have any estimate of Appule's strength? If he's got a PL under 5,000 then the Earthlings might win this. He's not a nigh-invulnerable tank like Nappa was.
— Kaio's power level is similar to Piccolo's, but Kaio's not much of a fighter himself so he'd probably fare even worse. No good estimate of Enma's power either, so no telling how much of a help he'd be.

-Videl w/ Kaioken vs. Kid Goku(start of the series)
-Kibito Kai vs. Majin Vegeta
-Saiyan Saga Oozaru Vegeta vs. Ginyu Saga Goku w/ Kaioken(1st round - no restrictions; at night w/ the full moon out, 2nd round - tail cutting/tail grabbing not allowed; artificial moon)
-Self Inflicted Captain Ginyu & Guldo vs. Burter, Jeice, & Recoome
-Appule & Cui vs. Post Elder Unlock Gohan & Post Elder Unlock Krillin

— I'm not sure Videl would have the resilience to even handle the Kaio-Ken. Definitely not anything above the standard x2 boost, which might not be enough for her to overcome Goku's raw physical strength and durability.
— Kaioshin may have a moderate power advantage after merging with Kibito, but Vegeta's a much more skilled and overall competent fighter. I think he wins.
— In round one, their power levels will be equal, but Vegeta's size is going to give him an advantage in physical strength and speed. Goku probably loses eventually because he can't deal enough damage to the gigantic Vegeta. But in round 2, Goku wins because he's more than fast enough to target Vegeta's tail, and Vegeta's going to be less powerful from the ki he lost creating the power ball moon.
— My gut tells me the trio are going to win this one. Gurd's time-freezing attacks are limited and he probably won't be able to do anything significant to them while it's in effect. He only gets like 2 or 3 tries before Butta speed-blitzes him, then joins Jheese and Ginyu in finishing off the wounded and vulnerable Ginyu.
— Gohan and Kuririn were at 13,000 and 14,000 respectively after their power-ups. If they really focused, then their combined efforts would probably let them take out Kwi, who's at 18,000 like Vegeta was. But Appule also being there to interfere may reduce their chances.



Now then, I'VE got a match-up!

The Team Rocket trio versus the Pilaf Gang. Not in a direct battle, but in a contest to show each other up. The Pilaf crew attempt to steal Pikachu away from Ash, and Team Rocket try to swipe the Dragon Balls from Goku and Bulma. Which team, if either, is successful?

If they BOTH succeed or fail, THEN it becomes a direct battle to break the tie. Also, the DB characters are all from when they met at the finale of the first Dragon Ball hunt, and both Ash and Team Rocket are their current anime selves with their current Pokémon teams.

[singsing]

Late, this thread moves so fast now...

How is Alien X in any way truly omnipotent though? Isn't he at best nigh omnipotent? I mean, the very fact that he has weaknesses means he isn't all-powerful.

[dbzfan7]

-Videl w/ Kaioken vs. Kid Goku(start of the series)
-Kibito Kai vs. Majin Vegeta
-Saiyan Saga Oozaru Vegeta vs. Ginyu Saga Goku w/ Kaioken(1st round - no restrictions; at night w/ the full moon out, 2nd round - tail cutting/tail grabbing not allowed; artificial moon)
-Self Inflicted Captain Ginyu & Guldo vs. Burter, Jeice, & Recoome
-Appule & Cui vs. Post Elder Unlock Gohan & Post Elder Unlock Krillin

Doubt Videl could hold a Kaio-Ken, and even if she could Goku's too tough. He'd survive the hits and Videl would either drain herself, or her muscles would explode. Goku shouldn't have a problem

Majin Vegeta shouldn't have much of a problem. If Kibitoshin was in the top tier of SSJ2, he'd have been useful in the final battle. If he was stronger than Vegeta, he'd be more useful than Vegeta. I think he's above SSJ's, but still below all SSJ2's. At best he could give SSJ2 Gohan a decent fight since he's rusty.

I think Goku wins since he has dealt with Bigger opponents who were close to his power (Piccolo). Goku's also harder to hit from being a lot smaller.

Guldo and Ginyu lose since Ginyu's damaged body is really weak.

Cui alone I think has this, unless Gohan has a rage moment, in which he wins with that.

Now then, I'VE got a match-up!

The Team Rocket trio versus the Pilaf Gang. Not in a direct battle, but in a contest to show each other up. The Pilaf crew attempt to steal Pikachu away from Ash, and Team Rocket try to swipe the Dragon Balls from Goku and Bulma. Which team, if either, is successful?

If they BOTH succeed or fail, THEN it becomes a direct battle to break the tie. Also, the DB characters are all from when they met at the finale of the first Dragon Ball hunt, and both Ash and Team Rocket are their current anime selves with their current Pokémon teams.

I think Pilaf is more likely to be successful. Though I can see both sides fucking up. In a battle I'd say the Rocket Gangs pokemon could win it for them, but if Pilaf gets his machines, his team may win then.

[Hellspawn28]

DBE Piccolo vs. AOU Ultron

Who wins?

[Captain Space]

DBE Piccolo vs. AOU Ultron

Who wins?

Ultron. Too many of him, and if all else fails, city drop.

[supercat]

Now then, I'VE got a match-up!

The Team Rocket trio versus the Pilaf Gang. Not in a direct battle, but in a contest to show each other up. The Pilaf crew attempt to steal Pikachu away from Ash, and Team Rocket try to swipe the Dragon Balls from Goku and Bulma. Which team, if either, is successful?

If they BOTH succeed or fail, THEN it becomes a direct battle to break the tie. Also, the DB characters are all from when they met at the finale of the first Dragon Ball hunt, and both Ash and Team Rocket are their current anime selves with their current Pokémon teams.

Although both sides are notorious for their long history of incompetence, I'd say the Pilaf Gang would have a much easier time dealing with Ash than Team Rocket would with Goku and Bulma.

Bulma's intellect and Goku's strength would be too much for the Rocket trio to handle. Even if they were to use all of the Pokemon they've had since their debut, they would most likely fall short of success.

Ash on the other hand, also has his own track record of screw ups, so there's a pretty good chance Pikachu would fall right into Pilaf's hands.

While we're on the theme of crossovers...

Goku (21st Budokai) vs Tiger Hawk
Yamcha (first appearance) vs Tiger Hawk
Yamcha (first appearance) vs Optimus Primal (non-transmetal)
Goku (21st Budokai) vs Dinobot (Transmetal II)
Yamcha (first appearance) vs Dinobot (non-transmetal)
Major Metallitron vs Optimus Primal (non-transmetal)

[Hellspawn28]

DBE Piccolo does have some decent feats like he crush a whole house with his hand, he wipe out a town size lake dry with a ki blast and his blast against Goku did blew holes through rock walls. I think Ultron would win due to a large amount of numbers he has.

[Noah]

New battles:

- Yamcha (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Kid Goku (21st Tenkaichi Budokai)

- Yamcha (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Cyborg Tao

- Yamcha (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Tambourine

- Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Shen (Kami)

- Mutenroshi (RR Arc) x Red Ribbon Army

- Krillin (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Tambourine

- Krillin (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Old Piccolo Damaioh

- Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Drum

- Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Piccolo Daimaoh

[Captain Space]

New battles:

- Yamcha (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Kid Goku (21st Tenkaichi Budokai)

- Yamcha (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Cyborg Tao

- Yamcha (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Tambourine

- Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Shen (Kami)

- Mutenroshi (RR Arc) x Red Ribbon Army

- Krillin (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Tambourine

- Krillin (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Old Piccolo Damaioh

- Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Drum

- Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Piccolo Daimaoh

-Yamcha; even Kami was impressed by him, and I doubt BoZ Yamcha (170-ish?) was all that much stronger than 23rd Yamcha--and Roshi was at 139, as a stronger version of himself than the one Goku all but stalemated in the 21st.

-Tao; can't say for sure who's stronger, but Yamcha's more likely to fall for a surprise attack than Tenshinhan.

-Yamcha with the lands-Kami-on-his-ass Sokidan.

-Shen/Kami. He did better against Piccolo than Tenshinhan did against unweighted Goku, IIRC.

- Red Ribbon Army. They have General Blue, the inhabitants of Muscle Tower, some mechs...Roshi can't take all of those at once.

-Krillin, given his performance against Piccolo Jr.

-Probably Krillin? For the same reason as above, but...not so certain on this one.

- Tenshinhan, no question. Even weighted Goku was faster etc. than his King Piccolo arc self (otherwise people would've noticed and gone 'hey, why's he less powerful than three years ago'?), and Tenshinhan was keeping up with that; ergo he was above King Piccolo arc Goku, who one-shotted Drum.

- Again, Tenshinhan, for being above King Piccolo arc Goku.

[Lunatic Fringe]

22nd WMAT Tenshinhan vs. Cymbal
Mutaito v Oozaru Goku(BoS)
Kaio vs. Appule
Imperfect Cell(Post Thousands Civilians Power-Up) vs. SSJ Goten(Pre-RoSaT)
SSJ Bardock vs. 1st Form Freeza

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

22nd WMAT Tenshinhan vs. Cymbal

Tenshinhan wins easily. He's stronger than Yajirobe imo.

Mutaito v Oozaru Goku(BoS)

Mutaito > Prime Roshi > 22nd Roshi > King Chappa > Son Gohan > Taopaipai > Great Ape Goku [BoDB]

Imperfect Cell(Post Thousands Civilians Power-Up) vs. SSJ Goten(Pre-RoSaT)

The one that fought #17 and Piccolo? Goten destroys him with casual Ki blast.

[Lord Beerus]

22nd WMAT Tenshinhan vs. Cymbal
Mutaito v Oozaru Goku(BoS)
Kaio vs. Appule
Imperfect Cell(Post Thousands Civilians Power-Up) vs. SSJ Goten(Pre-RoSaT)
SSJ Bardock vs. 1st Form Freeza

- Tien take this with ease
- Mutaito roflstomps Oozaru Goku
- Pretty evenly matched, in my opinion. But King Kai is the more experienced fighter so I'm backing him to take this.
- Goten one shots Imperfect Cell
- Freeza wins but barely

[Dbzk1999]

Late, this thread moves so fast now...

How is Alien X in any way truly omnipotent though? Isn't he at best nigh omnipotent? I mean, the very fact that he has weaknesses means he isn't all-powerful.

It's hard to describe it to be honest