Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[ATEMVEGETA]

Does anyone know when the Death Battle will be released?

Before next weekend is up.

So the week after tomorrow it will be up? :S

Seems pretty soon!

[dario03]

When that started out not being the case at all. Back in the 90's, Supes hadn't had the Mongol-training/mental-block-unlocking. He was much weaker then (couldn't go FTL, a mere million nukes would be enough to kill him, could only lift 100 tons, could only hold his breath in outer space for about twenty minutes, etc.). There's a reason why Animated-Series-Superman is considered weaker than Comics-Superman. It's because A-S-Supes was accurate to Comics-Supes up until the mental-block-unlock. The Animated Series never bothered to include that storyline, never gave A-S-Supes that stealth-buff.

Wasn't Animated series Supes much weaker than even pre Mongol trained Supes? I thought in the dvd commentary it was said that they made him weaker because they thought it would be easier to make a compelling story with a protagonist that wasn't so strong that he could destroy the universe by accidentally listening to hard. Basically saying that they wanted him to be easier to relate to, so powers yes, godlike no.

[Bullza]

Does anyone know when the Death Battle will be released?

Before next weekend is up.

So the week after tomorrow it will be up? :S

Seems pretty soon!

It premieres at a convention from the 17th to 19th and will likely be put up in YouTube shortly afterwards.

[mmg86]

Yep. Much, much weaker. John Byrne weakened superman a lot when we compare him to his "Crisis on Infinite Earths and before" self, but he was still pretty powerful. I didnt read all that many issues (in my country it was difficult to find comics) but loved every single one... and i can point out stuff he did that animated series Superman would be unable to replicate.

For example, he picked up a MOUNTAIN and flew, carrying it to space. And it was no small mountain... in fact, it was so big that it would have literally STOMPED Metropolis (it was a story where a magical jewel fell on a graveyard for criminals, reanimating and fusing them with the dirt around them... it resulted on what was more or less a city sized earth golem)

Or on another story, where he fights a Booster Gold impostor (who is actually a kryptonite powered robot... a proto-metallo, you could say), before they find out about the kryptonite, the real Booster Gold is confused by the imposter's blows harming Superman, and made this remark: "i thought it takes no less than an atomic bomb to mess up your hair". You could say he was exaggerating, but i always took that line as signifying that even that early on his career, he would live through a nuke.

After reading such things, seeing Superman struggle as badly as he did to stop a plane in the first episode of the animated series was very confusing. I was all "what the hell, this should be no big deal, in the comics this would have been over in a snap"

[singsing]

Yep. Much, much weaker. John Byrne weakened superman a lot when we compare him to his "Crisis on Infinite Earths and before" self, but he was still pretty powerful. I didnt read all that many issues (in my country it was difficult to find comics) but loved every single one... and i can point out stuff he did that animated series Superman would be unable to replicate.

For example, he picked up a MOUNTAIN and flew, carrying it to space. And it was no small mountain... in fact, it was so big that it would have literally STOMPED Metropolis (it was a story where a magical jewel fell on a graveyard for criminals, reanimating and fusing them with the dirt around them... it resulted on what was more or less a city sized earth golem)

Or on another story, where he fights a Booster Gold impostor (who is actually a kryptonite powered robot... a proto-metallo, you could say), before they find out about the kryptonite, the real Booster Gold is confused by the imposter's blows harming Superman, and made this remark: "i thought it takes no less than an atomic bomb to mess up your hair". You could say he was exaggerating, but i always took that line as signifying that even that early on his career, he would live through a nuke.

After reading such things, seeing Superman struggle as badly as he did to stop a plane in the first episode of the animated series was very confusing. I was all "what the hell, this should be no big deal, in the comics this would have been over in a snap"

I remember even young Superman was able to lift something like several thousand tons in the animated world.

[Polyphase Avatron]

When that started out not being the case at all. Back in the 90's, Supes hadn't had the Mongol-training/mental-block-unlocking. He was much weaker then (couldn't go FTL, a mere million nukes would be enough to kill him, could only lift 100 tons, could only hold his breath in outer space for about twenty minutes, etc.). There's a reason why Animated-Series-Superman is considered weaker than Comics-Superman. It's because A-S-Supes was accurate to Comics-Supes up until the mental-block-unlock. The Animated Series never bothered to include that storyline, never gave A-S-Supes that stealth-buff.

Eh, it's not like he didn't have higher-end feats back then, like surviving the explosion of a Sun-Eater that blasted him all the way to another solar system.

Of course in the 90s and 2000s it got ridiculous again, like they gave him his own reality-warping power (I forget how to spell it... Torque something) which was basically a plot device that let him beat anyone who was too strong for him to stop conventionally. I generally don't like the New 52 but dropping that was one of the best decisions they made (although even during the last few years before the reboot the writers seemed to be doing their best to make us forget that that power was ever a thing, having already realized what a bad idea it was).

[Mewzard]

Eh, it's not like he didn't have higher-end feats back then, like surviving the explosion of a Sun-Eater that blasted him all the way to another solar system.

Of course in the 90s and 2000s it got ridiculous again, like they gave him his own reality-warping power (I forget how to spell it... Torque something) which was basically a plot device that let him beat anyone who was too strong for him to stop conventionally. I generally don't like the New 52 but dropping that was one of the best decisions they made (although even during the last few years before the reboot the writers seemed to be doing their best to make us forget that that power was ever a thing, having already realized what a bad idea it was).

I think you're referring to his Kryptonian Martial Arts, which Death Battle mentioned (Torquasm Rao and Torquasm Vo). The mental discipline that let him fight mental battles, and the one that let him enter the Theta state and go all extra badass.

I suppose even ignoring that, Superman still has some martial arts training (which feels more like real martial arts than Goku ever used, amusingly enough).

[miguelnuva1]

The only reason ScrewAttack are doing this again is because they know it generate millions of views, which will generate lots of cash for them.

Do you really think they are only doing this for money?

Yes. They make money from YouTube. YouTube gives its content partners more than half of the ad revenue they bring in, and the types of ads they use in their videos may also be a factor in how much money they earn. Pre-roll ads, which lead into the beginning of the video, are believed to bring in $5 for every 1,000 views. Not to mention the hype, where they're showing the battle at, and the revival of DB franchise.

This is ultra money for them. A smart business choice.

They can't use death battle for money because they dont own the characters.

[TheGmGoken]

They can't use death battle for money because they dont own the characters.

There's loopholes to get around that you know.

[rereboy]

They can't use death battle for money because they dont own the characters.

What? Of course they can, just not directly (aka by selling directly). For example, every guy that plays videogames on twitch or youtube doesn't own the games or its characters and makes money off how many views and subscriptions they have. Pewdiepie, a famous youtuber, has plenty of videos of him playing videogames, which contribute to how much he earns, and he earns literally millions of dollars per year simply because of how many views and subscriptions he generates.

It's the same logic for the guys on screwattack or even teamfourstar, all that varies is the amount of money they earn.

[GokuRules987]

Countries like US scored around 34% Canada scored around 21% and Japan scored 0%

I guess Japanese fans are too cool for this nonsense

there was a debate on 2chan which is a japanese blog site pretty much a while ago about goku vs superman that got like 500 replies. I'm sure Japanese are as much aware about this whole Goku vs Superman thing than anyone else.

[miguelnuva1]

They can't use death battle for money because they dont own the characters.

What? Of course they can, just not directly (aka by selling directly). For example, every guy that plays videogames on twitch or youtube doesn't own the games or its characters and makes money off how many views and subscriptions they have. Pewdiepie, a famous youtuber, has plenty of videos of him playing videogames, which contribute to how much he earns, and he earns literally millions of dollars per year simply because of how many views and subscriptions he generates.

It's the same logic for the guys on screwattack or even teamfourstar, all that varies is the amount of money they earn.

They do own the video games in play throughs they bought the item were as with screw attact they are creating new media with someone else's character.

[Doctor.]

They can't use death battle for money because they dont own the characters.

What? Of course they can, just not directly (aka by selling directly). For example, every guy that plays videogames on twitch or youtube doesn't own the games or its characters and makes money off how many views and subscriptions they have. Pewdiepie, a famous youtuber, has plenty of videos of him playing videogames, which contribute to how much he earns, and he earns literally millions of dollars per year simply because of how many views and subscriptions he generates.

It's the same logic for the guys on screwattack or even teamfourstar, all that varies is the amount of money they earn.

They do own the video games in play throughs they bought the item were as with screw attact they are creating new media with someone else's character.

So if they owned DVDs with the characters in them, it'd be ok?

[TheGmGoken]

They can't use death battle for money because they dont own the characters.

What? Of course they can, just not directly (aka by selling directly). For example, every guy that plays videogames on twitch or youtube doesn't own the games or its characters and makes money off how many views and subscriptions they have. Pewdiepie, a famous youtuber, has plenty of videos of him playing videogames, which contribute to how much he earns, and he earns literally millions of dollars per year simply because of how many views and subscriptions he generates.

It's the same logic for the guys on screwattack or even teamfourstar, all that varies is the amount of money they earn.

They do own the video games in play throughs they bought the item were as with screw attact they are creating new media with someone else's character.

I was offered a YouTube partnership (declined as I was only making .87c xD) and I make Amvs. That requires music and anime. Still didn't effect me.

[miguelnuva1]

They can't use death battle for money because they dont own the characters.

What? Of course they can, just not directly (aka by selling directly). For example, every guy that plays videogames on twitch or youtube doesn't own the games or its characters and makes money off how many views and subscriptions they have. Pewdiepie, a famous youtuber, has plenty of videos of him playing videogames, which contribute to how much he earns, and he earns literally millions of dollars per year simply because of how many views and subscriptions he generates.

It's the same logic for the guys on screwattack or even teamfourstar, all that varies is the amount of money they earn.

They do own the video games in play throughs they bought the item were as with screw attact they are creating new media with someone else's character.

So if they owned DVDs with the characters in them, it'd be ok?[/quote]

You can't upload a moviw on youtube but playthroughs are allowed. I don't know whats the difference but Is do know Death Battle is either getting lucky for not being reported or their not making money on their YouTube death battles.

[dario03]

They do own the video games in play throughs they bought the item were as with screw attact they are creating new media with someone else's character.

So if they owned DVDs with the characters in them, it'd be ok?

You can't upload a moviw on youtube but playthroughs are allowed. I don't know whats the difference but Is do know Death Battle is either getting lucky for not being reported or their not making money on their YouTube death battles.

The difference is whether or not companies complain about you doing something. Ad revenue generated by game playthroughs actually belongs to the game makers but most of them let it go to the youtube uploader. However if they want to they can do what Nintendo did, which was complaining about it, getting their content pulled down, and then set up their youtube partnership program which makes it so you share the revenue with them.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Somehow Shenron will be involve in the fight....I´m sensing that a big BS will happen

[jcogginsa]

Probably gonna use Shenron to wish back the earth

[rereboy]

They do own the video games in play throughs they bought the item were as with screw attact they are creating new media with someone else's character.

That's not how it works. When they bought the games they only bought the physical disc and a license for personal use. They didn't get permission to broadcast or offer its contents publicly and, as such, they wouldn't be able to legally offer the experience of the game to whoever they wanted publicly on the streets, for example.

The broadcast of playthroughs on websites like youtube and such is tolerated because it ends up being free publicity and the games don't suffer as much from being shown in that fashion as movies or music, for example, do. But that doesn't mean that they are legally entitled to broadcast its contents and offer the experience of the game however they want to and to whoever they want to just because they bought the game.

The use of trademarked characters for things like death battle are even more easily tolerated and even get a much stronger legal protection under the right to parody while the legal protection for playthroughs is much more iffy, if it can even be argued at all.

Anyway, the bottom line is that the people doing it make money indirectly from it like the people doing playthroughs do.

[Polyphase Avatron]

That just shows that Death Battle is willing to fudge the usual rules whenever they feel like it (i.e. no outside help/plot devices). Like the Kryptonite in the first video...