"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[goku the krump dancer]

One thing I hope doesn't come of Super is having a billion and 1 intro songs for something that'll probably be no more than 100 or so episodes. We have a theme song, so let it sit and marinate for while, at least until we get past the RoF stuff.

Shippuden changed opening songs like every 30 episodes.

[Noah]

Bulma's birthday is right after this episode? No time skip? Bulma will rent a ship only for her friends to the party? I imagine how the fights will be on board

[Hellspawn28]

Kai already ended with Goku leaving with Uub. I think it would be wrong if they retcon the ending to DBZ so soon.

I'm just imagining the internet uproar if we don't get a timeskip to 4 years after Buu and despite that Videl is pregnant during the confrontation with Beerus. Guess that would mean not only would Super be ignoring GT, but it would ignore end of Z as well, I'd be okay with that honestly.

They could always change the ritual to require one less Saiyan, so Pan wouldn't be necessary anyway.

Or there's Tarble, but there haven't been any hints of him appearing in Super so far.

Yeah I think they could change the ritual to become a SSjG to be a different number or they do something wacky like wish back Radditz as a good guy.

[Doctor.]

They already retconned the movies so soon, so retconning EoZ (when Toriyama has done once before in the past) wouldn't be so surprising.

[Marco Polo]

Yeah I think they could change the ritual to become a SSjG to be a different number or they do something wacky like wish back Radditz as a good guy.

Or Gine since she's already a good person.

[GokuRules987]

Except if you tried to hold your breath while in the vacuum of space your entire body would explode. Which is why breathing in space is impossible, and why I wish people would use the term "SURVIVE in space", because NOBODY can breath in space.

Except that your failing to realize that your comparing me to a fictional character that can blow up freaking solar systems and galaxies. Dont you realize that Saiya-jins have much stronger lungs than humans?
You watch too much TFS lol Chimpanzees can survive in the vacuum of space for over 3.5 minutes, Dogs can survive for 90 seconds, Humans can stay conscious in space for 10-12 seconds and then 1 minute additional to make a full recovery because the body naturally has enough oxygen stored at any time to keep you alive for additional 1-2 minutes.
And If Humans, Chimps and dogs bodies are strong enough to survive in space for minutes without their bodies exploding in space then Saiyans especially would be strong enough to not only survive in space but also remain conscious for a good amount of time.

[Hellspawn28]

No one knows who she is. Broli and Tullece won't get wish back since the TV shows tends to ignore the events of the older DBZ movies expect for Dead Zone and I doubt Toriyama knows who those two characters are. I guess Nappa or Radditz being wish back as good guys might work, but I doubt it. Just have the ritual be Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Vegeta for Goku to become SSjG.

[dbgtFO]

No one knows who she is. Broli and Tullece won't get wish back since the TV shows tends to ignore the events of the older DBZ movies expect for Dead Zone and I doubt Toriyama knows who those two characters are. I guess Nappa or Radditz being wish back as good guys might work, but I doubt it. Just have the ritual be Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Vegeta for Goku to become SSjG.

It's not out of the world, that they could ask Shenlong to bring possible remaining Saiyans to their location.

[GokuRules987]

This...really isn't the point.

At the start of this, you were saying you wanted new forms so that they can improve all their 'stats', speed and durability and stuff as well as just getting stronger.

The point is almost every power up, barring a rare few like Trunks' buff SSJ form, in DBZ, increases all your 'stats' like that. You can redistribute them by adjusting your ki/aura, yes. But when they say, "Now Goku's done super-intense training, he's 10 times stronger than before!" they don't just mean his strength went up. They mean his overall ki went up. So he's stronger, he's faster, he's more durable. That's generally Dragon Ball's usage of words like "stronger".

A power-up increases their ki. A transformation increases their ki. Training increases their ki. The difference is flashy lights.

Well thats basically what I am trying to say. When Goku's Ki increases he has a choice to either amp up all his ki into an offensive stance in where he can shoot his Kamehameha, ki blasts, Taiyoken, Instant Transmission etc or can amp most of his Ki in to defensive stance that makes him more durable to attacks and resistant. The problem is when he is on an offensive stance and the enemy attack him, he is more vulnerable than ever before because he is concentrating most of his ki(releasing it) into an attack rather than into his body. And from what we have seen is that Goku seems to have trouble controlling his ki fast enough instantly make himself more defensively invulnerable.

If Goku's was to master a complete new super saiyan form in where he becomes naturally indomitable in terms of durability without needing to concentrate any of his ki to protect himself then he can use all of his ki easily into an offense stance to shoot kamehameha's and ki blasts at his enemy without lowering his own defense.

[Captain Space]

Well thats basically what I am trying to say. When Goku's Ki increases he has a choice to either amp up all his ki into an offensive stance in where he can shoot his Kamehameha, ki blasts, Taiyoken, Instant Transmission etc or can amp most of his Ki in to defensive stance that makes him more durable to attacks and resistant. The problem is when he is on an offensive stance and the enemy attack him, he is more vulnerable than ever before because he is concentrating most of his ki(releasing it) into an attack rather than into his body. And from what we have seen is that Goku seems to have trouble controlling his ki fast enough instantly make himself more defensively invulnerable.

If Goku's was to master a complete new super saiyan form in where he becomes naturally indomitable in terms of durability without needing to concentrate any of his ki to protect himself then he can use all of his ki easily into an offense stance to shoot kamehameha's and ki blasts at his enemy without lowering his own defense.

I...have never seen anything to suggest that charging a Kamehameha lowers your durability.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Except if you tried to hold your breath while in the vacuum of space your entire body would explode. Which is why breathing in space is impossible, and why I wish people would use the term "SURVIVE in space", because NOBODY can breath in space.

Except that your failing to realize that your comparing me to a fictional character that can blow up freaking solar systems and galaxies. Dont you realize that Saiya-jins have much stronger lungs than humans?
You watch too much TFS lol Chimpanzees can survive in the vacuum of space for over 3.5 minutes, Dogs can survive for 90 seconds, Humans can stay conscious in space for 10-12 seconds and then 1 minute additional to make a full recovery because the body naturally has enough oxygen stored at any time to keep you alive for additional 1-2 minutes.
And If Humans, Chimps and dogs bodies are strong enough to survive in space for minutes without their bodies exploding in space then Saiyans especially would be strong enough to not only survive in space but also remain conscious for a good amount of time.

Um...nobody said that Saiyans were as strong or weaker than humans. But they can't breath in space. Within a few minutes, they would die. Saiyans need oxygen to survive. Beings like Freeza do not. Nobody can "breath" in space was my point. That is an impossible act. So stop saying "breath in space". It's impossible. Space is an open vacuum of nothing.

[TheGmGoken]

Y'all think we'll get more variation in our battles? Maybe a fight that takes place at night, 2v2 fights, or a fight inside a building?

[sintzu]

Kai already ended with Goku leaving with Uub. I think it would be wrong if they retcon the ending to DBZ so soon.

Keep in mind that the ending was written at a time where Toriyama was tired of the franchise and just wanted to get done with it so him not being happy with the ending and thinking up a new (hopefully) better one now that he's happy writing for the franchise again isn't surprising to me.

[GokuRules987]

Um...nobody said that Saiyans were as strong or weaker than humans. But they can't breath in space. Within a few minutes, they would die. Saiyans need oxygen to survive. Beings like Freeza do not. Nobody can "breath" in space was my point. That is an impossible act. So stop saying "breath in space". It's impossible. Space is an open vacuum of nothing.

Um... You just said that in your last post "if you tried to hold breath while in the vacuum of space your entire body would explode" You tried to compare me to what would happen to Vegeta if he tried to hold his breath in space. And saiyans are naturally stronger than humans and that's a fact. I also never said that saiyans can breathe in space, i only said that they could survive in space because they can hold their breath much longer than humans and have much stronger lungs. When Frieza destroyed the earth, Vegeta was stated to been dead. And I am saying that it was not because he couldn't survive in space since Chimps in real life can survive for over 3.5 minutes in space without their bodies exploding. Vegeta was most likely killed by the earth explosion which is an inconsistency because he should be way more durable than that.

[GokuRules987]

Well thats basically what I am trying to say. When Goku's Ki increases he has a choice to either amp up all his ki into an offensive stance in where he can shoot his Kamehameha, ki blasts, Taiyoken, Instant Transmission etc or can amp most of his Ki in to defensive stance that makes him more durable to attacks and resistant. The problem is when he is on an offensive stance and the enemy attack him, he is more vulnerable than ever before because he is concentrating most of his ki(releasing it) into an attack rather than into his body. And from what we have seen is that Goku seems to have trouble controlling his ki fast enough instantly make himself more defensively invulnerable.

If Goku's was to master a complete new super saiyan form in where he becomes naturally indomitable in terms of durability without needing to concentrate any of his ki to protect himself then he can use all of his ki easily into an offense stance to shoot kamehameha's and ki blasts at his enemy without lowering his own defense.

I...have never seen anything to suggest that charging a Kamehameha lowers your durability.

Well isnt there a limit to how much ki you have stored? When Goku shoots kamehameha, he releases some of his ki. therefore over time he has less ki to defend himself. I would like to have goku master a super saiyan form where he doesn't need to rely on ki or very little amount in order to be durable.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Um...nobody said that Saiyans were as strong or weaker than humans. But they can't breath in space. Within a few minutes, they would die. Saiyans need oxygen to survive. Beings like Freeza do not. Nobody can "breath" in space was my point. That is an impossible act. So stop saying "breath in space". It's impossible. Space is an open vacuum of nothing.

Um... You just said that in your last post "if you tried to hold breath while in the vacuum of space your entire body would explode" You tried to compare me to what would happen to Vegeta if he tried to hold his breath in space. And saiyans are naturally stronger than humans and that's a fact. I also never said that saiyans can breathe in space, i only said that they could survive in space because they can hold their breath much longer than humans and have much stronger lungs. When Freeza destroyed the earth, Vegeta was stated to been dead. And I am saying that it was not because he couldn't survive in space since Chimps in real life can survive for over 3.5 minutes in space without their bodies exploding. Vegeta was most likely killed by the earth explosion which is an inconsistency because he should be way more durable than that.

Ah, I see what happened here. You assumed I was saying one thing when I wasn't at all. I was disputing the "breathing in space" thing. Just as a whole, not directing it towards Saiyans. I'm tired of people saying "breathing in space" when nobody can, because if we tried to our lungs would explode. That's what I was saying.

[Noah]

Y'all think we'll get more variation in our battles? Maybe a fight that takes place at night, 2v2 fights, or a fight inside a building?

I really hope these variations in SUPER battles!

Also SSJG ritual using 5 Saiyans instead of 6 seems kinda strange because it was the same number that were used to full power up SSJ4 in Baby Arc, 6 Saiyans was the differential

[irreality]

Also SSJG ritual using 5 Saiyans instead of 6 seems kinda strange because it was the same number that were used to full power up SSJ4 in Baby Arc, 6 Saiyans was the differential

It makes more sense to disregard GT as non-canon than to change the EoZ. The movie not being quite canon is par for the course, since it is being retold anyway.

Changing the ritual makes the most sense. Having a Tarble adventure at the party like in the JSAT makes some sense but might take up too much time -- that might be introducting too many characters in too short a span of time. Having Videl be pregnant but have a miscarriage later also makes sense but is sort of sad for DB. They could retcon Bra's age without too much trouble since her age isn't explicitly mentioned in EoZ unlike Pan. Oh well. We'll find out in a few weeks what they plan to do.

[Chuquita]

Didn't Toriyama say he originally had to cut down everything he wrote for BOG for it to fit into movie-length? (Which is why the rest of the cast vs Beerus at the climax didn't happen). I wonder how much if any of Super's version came from the bigger version of Toriyama's BOG script.

[Retan]

I really can't wait to see Goku Vs. Beerus on king Kai planet to see how they plan on handling the fight scenes differently then the movies.