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The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:49 pm

I brought this point up in a previous thread, and I'm gonna repeat it here with a bit more an expansion on it:

In Dragon Ball Super, Beerus appeared to take some kind pleasure in the fact that he was destroying planet, and in Battle Of Gods, Beerus seemed very enthusiastic about the prospect of killing Freeza and destroying Planet Vegeta. However, in that case he did personally regard Freeza and the Saiyan race as assholes even by his standards. Then you have take into the fact that he wrecked King Kai's planet over losing in a damn racing car game/hide and seek. No matter what you look at it, that is a very dickish thing to do. And it's quite an evil act when you think about it as well because he did that out of spite and malice. But at the same token, he has shown that he is willing to spare people and planets even after he gets pissed off or angry, as was seen in BOG and we will most likely see again in Super. So he's not entirely evil, like some people think he is. Then ROF highlights the neutral aspect of Beerus where he flat out refuses to intervene in the battle between Goku and Freeza stating that he a neutral party and doesn't take side. Another characteristic that will be mostly likely be brought up again in Super considering the movie will be re-told into an arc in Super. While Beerus is a God in the Dragon Ball universe, he also quite flawed in terms of personality like any other sentient being would be and has mood swings like any other cat would. Can Beerus be an unapologetic jerkass at times? Yes. But can he also be a mellow and relaxed guy, who's willing to take it easy? Absolutely.

The way I look at it is this: Beerus is Chaotic Neutral by default. At his worst, Chaotic Evil. And on a very, very, very good day, he's Chaotic Good.

Where do you think Beerus aligns?

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:14 pm

Where do you think Frieza aligns?

I'd place him there.
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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Doctor. » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:16 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Where do you think Freeza aligns?

I'd place him there.
Basically this. Beerus' job just gives him a legal pass to do whatever he wants.

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Draconic » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:22 pm

Neutral, at the worst.

He is the God of Destruction and as such his judgement of what planets he chooses to destroy should not be put to question. Yet, he still finds the Sayians and Frieza dicks, because they are lower beings. The races are equal, if not in strength, in position on the Universal scale, so they choosing to destroy each other (savagely and sadistic at times) is wrong, since that is not their job.
Yet, we know Beerus will let other beings assume his job, if he were to go to sleep, so it's simple to say he doesn't give a crap if other people destroy planets, while still acknowledging that they shouldn't.
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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Marco Polo » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:28 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:I brought this point up in a previous thread, and I'm gonna repeat it here with a bit more an expansion on it:

In Dragon Ball Super, Beerus appeared to take some kind pleasure in the fact that he was destroying planet, and in Battle Of Gods, Beerus seemed very enthusiastic about the prospect of killing Freeza and destroying Planet Vegeta. However, in that case he did personally regard Freeza and the Saiyan race as assholes even by his standards. Then you have take into the fact that he wrecked King Kai's planet over losing in a damn racing car game/hide and seek. No matter what you look at it, that is a very dickish thing to do. And it's quite an evil act when you think about it as well because he did that out of spite and malice. But at the same token, he has shown that he is willing to spare people and planets even after he gets pissed off or angry, as was seen in BOG and we will most likely see again in Super. So he's not entirely evil, like some people think he is. Then ROF highlights the neutral aspect of Beerus where he flat out refuses to intervene in the battle between Goku and Freeza stating that he a neutral party and doesn't take side. Another characteristic that will be mostly likely be brought up again in Super considering the movie will be re-told into an arc in Super. While Beerus is a God in the Dragon Ball universe, he also quite flawed in terms of personality like any other sentient being would be and has mood swings like any other cat would. Can Beerus be an unapologetic jerkass at times? Yes. But can he also be a mellow and relaxed guy, who's willing to take it easy? Absolutely.

The way I look at it is this: Beerus is Chaotic Neutral by default. At his worst, Chaotic Evil. And on a very, very, very good day, he's Chaotic Good.

Where do you think Beerus aligns?
:arrow: In other words, would Beerus go to hell if he died?

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Draconic » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:42 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:I brought this point up in a previous thread, and I'm gonna repeat it here with a bit more an expansion on it:

In Dragon Ball Super, Beerus appeared to take some kind pleasure in the fact that he was destroying planet, and in Battle Of Gods, Beerus seemed very enthusiastic about the prospect of killing Freeza and destroying Planet Vegeta. However, in that case he did personally regard Freeza and the Saiyan race as assholes even by his standards. Then you have take into the fact that he wrecked King Kai's planet over losing in a damn racing car game/hide and seek. No matter what you look at it, that is a very dickish thing to do. And it's quite an evil act when you think about it as well because he did that out of spite and malice. But at the same token, he has shown that he is willing to spare people and planets even after he gets pissed off or angry, as was seen in BOG and we will most likely see again in Super. So he's not entirely evil, like some people think he is. Then ROF highlights the neutral aspect of Beerus where he flat out refuses to intervene in the battle between Goku and Freeza stating that he a neutral party and doesn't take side. Another characteristic that will be mostly likely be brought up again in Super considering the movie will be re-told into an arc in Super. While Beerus is a God in the Dragon Ball universe, he also quite flawed in terms of personality like any other sentient being would be and has mood swings like any other cat would. Can Beerus be an unapologetic jerkass at times? Yes. But can he also be a mellow and relaxed guy, who's willing to take it easy? Absolutely.

The way I look at it is this: Beerus is Chaotic Neutral by default. At his worst, Chaotic Evil. And on a very, very, very good day, he's Chaotic Good.

Where do you think Beerus aligns?
:arrow: In other words, would Beerus go to hell if he died?
The same thing that happened to King Kai would probably happen to Beerus. He would go on to "live" on his planet/realm/wherever he hangs out, while in spirit form.
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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:46 pm

^ Which is why Beerus needs to be killed twice to rid the universe of that menace.
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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Doctor. » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:47 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:^ Which is why Beerus needs to be killed twice to rid the universe of that menace.
Ha! Y-Yea, good luck with that! :lol:

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:50 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:I brought this point up in a previous thread, and I'm gonna repeat it here with a bit more an expansion on it:

In Dragon Ball Super, Beerus appeared to take some kind pleasure in the fact that he was destroying planet, and in Battle Of Gods, Beerus seemed very enthusiastic about the prospect of killing Freeza and destroying Planet Vegeta. However, in that case he did personally regard Freeza and the Saiyan race as assholes even by his standards. Then you have take into the fact that he wrecked King Kai's planet over losing in a damn racing car game/hide and seek. No matter what you look at it, that is a very dickish thing to do. And it's quite an evil act when you think about it as well because he did that out of spite and malice. But at the same token, he has shown that he is willing to spare people and planets even after he gets pissed off or angry, as was seen in BOG and we will most likely see again in Super. So he's not entirely evil, like some people think he is. Then ROF highlights the neutral aspect of Beerus where he flat out refuses to intervene in the battle between Goku and Freeza stating that he a neutral party and doesn't take side. Another characteristic that will be mostly likely be brought up again in Super considering the movie will be re-told into an arc in Super. While Beerus is a God in the Dragon Ball universe, he also quite flawed in terms of personality like any other sentient being would be and has mood swings like any other cat would. Can Beerus be an unapologetic jerkass at times? Yes. But can he also be a mellow and relaxed guy, who's willing to take it easy? Absolutely.

The way I look at it is this: Beerus is Chaotic Neutral by default. At his worst, Chaotic Evil. And on a very, very, very good day, he's Chaotic Good.

Where do you think Beerus aligns?
:arrow: In other words, would Beerus go to hell if he died?
For the life of me, I'm not sure. If limbo exists in the realm of Dragon Ball, he'd probably end up there. But realistically, I do see him ending up like King Kai with his own planet in the heavenly/otherworld realm, where he can relax and do his own thing. I mean, Beerus can be a huge jerkass at times, but at the same time, he can also consider you kind of like an ally if you don't annoy him and is willing to spare life and planets if he feels like. His behaviour can be quite inconsistent. Will he be held accountable for the planets he destroys? I don't think he would. It's his duty to do so. But the method for which he goes about destroying planets will certainly be questioned, and most likely be held against him in that regard.

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Draconic » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:51 pm

Doctor. wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:^ Which is why Beerus needs to be killed twice to rid the universe of that menace.
Ha! Y-Yea, good luck with that! :lol:
Well, maybe Whis will eventually get tired of his shit :lol:
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Goku vs Beerus BOG/Super mash-up https://gofile.io/d/kKKnMe

Vegeta vs Freeza ROF/Super mash-up https://gofile.io/d/MKPepW

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:56 pm

Draconic wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:^ Which is why Beerus needs to be killed twice to rid the universe of that menace.
Ha! Y-Yea, good luck with that! :lol:
Well, maybe Whis will eventually get tired of his shit :lol:
Whis has tolerated Beerus blowing up a freakin sun. That man has nerves of steel and an insane of tolerance and patience. He's pretty much like Super Nanny. Doesn't matter how much you dish at him, he can take it.

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Doctor. » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:00 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Whis has tolerated Beerus blowing up a freakin sun. That man has nerves of steel and an insane of tolerance and patience. He's pretty much like Super Nanny. Doesn't matter how much you dish at him, he can take it.
Maybe Beerus pisses off the wrong God of Destruction (or his assistant) one day, then.

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:01 pm

Limbo in Dragonball is only when you're killed by a demon.

I'm sure Beerus would be like Kami when he died. Or even the Kai's. He mightmight just wake up where he died at with a halo on his head.

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Draconic » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:05 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Draconic wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
Ha! Y-Yea, good luck with that! :lol:
Well, maybe Whis will eventually get tired of his shit :lol:
Whis has tolerated Beerus blowing up a freakin sun. That man has nerves of steel and an insane of tolerance and patience. He's pretty much like Super Nanny. Doesn't matter how much you dish at him, he can take it.
Maybe femWhis gets mad at him for dicking around with Champa. Then Whis kills Champa. Then Whis and his... race-mate(?)... duke it out!
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Goku vs Beerus BOG/Super mash-up https://gofile.io/d/kKKnMe

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:07 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: Whis has tolerated Beerus blowing up a freakin sun. That man has nerves of steel and an insane of tolerance and patience. He's pretty much like Super Nanny. Doesn't matter how much you dish at him, he can take it.
One day, Beerus will make fun of his hair. That will be the final straw.
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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Draconic » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:11 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote: Whis has tolerated Beerus blowing up a freakin sun. That man has nerves of steel and an insane of tolerance and patience. He's pretty much like Super Nanny. Doesn't matter how much you dish at him, he can take it.
One day, Beerus will make fun of his hair. That will be the final straw.
Or the hula hoop around his neck.
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Goku vs Beerus BOG/Super mash-up https://gofile.io/d/kKKnMe

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:17 pm

Doctor. wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Where do you think Freeza aligns?

I'd place him there.
Basically this. Beerus' job just gives him a legal pass to do whatever he wants.
I'm in this group too. I guess evil neutral I think I'd say.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:52 pm

Draconic wrote:Maybe femWhis gets mad at him for dicking around with Champa. Then Whis kills Champa. Then Whis and his... race-mate(?)... duke it out!
Now that is something I'd love to see in Super. :P

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by Birusu16 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:06 pm

Neutral without a doubt. I've already explained why numerous times in other threads.

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Re: The moral alignment of Beerus

Post by supercat » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:08 pm

Although it was pretty easy to toss Beerus into the huge bucket of allies (Kaioshin, King Kai, etc.) after the events of BoG, a deeper look into his overall existence and motives told me otherwise. While he generally does hover in the zone of neutrality, I'd say the destructive feline is apt to leaning one way or another simply based on his mood, and what benefits him the most.

With that said, his desire to rid the universe of bullies like Frieza and the Saiyans does hint towards the fact that he may abide by a loose code of ethics. Therefore, I can't quite envision him actually harboring the same sadistic obsession for hostility like Buu or even the emperor of evil himself.

On the contrary, his lust for destruction shown in Super clearly indicates that he has no regard for life. One could argue that such a trait is "evil" but I'd say it's more in line with his job description. It's completely different from selfishly killing and/or enslaving millions or demolishing planets for the sheer joy of it.

In short, I'd say Beerus is neutral but his violent tendencies could make him look darker than he actually is.

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