Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[Kamiccolo9]

And DBZ's feats weren't "real"?

Can you show me where Superman was more powerful than that?

Not all of them, no. And even the one's that were, taken to the most generous possible extreme, have nothing on lifting a book with infinite pages. Or flying through a star. Or lifting however many sextillion tons that one thing was.

[Mewzard]

And DBZ's feats weren't "real"?

Can you show me where Superman was more powerful than that?

Has Goku ever moved a moon or a planet with his strength? Has Goku ever surpassed the Speed of Light beyond using Instant Transmission (Speed of Light would allow one to circle the Earth seven and a half times in one second)? Has Goku ever been hit by a Supernova and lived to tell the tale?

Superman's just got more clear feats showing what he can do. Goku's are far more vague. After a certain point, Dragon Ball just had Goku be faster/stronger/etc than insert character, rather than showing Goku do something that we can quantify easily enough.

Hell, if anything, Goku's last confirmed strength feat, struggling with 40 tons in base, does not speak strongly for his strength (even using guidebook multipliers on each form).



Superman has this. Could Goku surpass that one day? Possibly, it depends on what happens, but by then, one has to wonder if he would still be behind Superman, who can keep growing stronger. Of course, he could one year just be retconned back to leaping an eighth of a mile, running as fast as a steam engine train, and being injurable by Artillery Shells and stronger like in his initial appearance in the 30s.

It's all up to the writers in charge of Superman at the time and any company wide plans DC Comics may have.

Depending upon what version of Superman Goku fights, he could have it easily, take it after a tough fight, struggle to a loss, or be turned to paste in one punch, and everything in between. 77 years of several continuities (and a ton of Elseworld Stories) and hundreds of writers mean this fight could end in a massive number of ways depending upon which Superman he fights and when.

He'd take the DCAU Superman from the old Superman: The Animated Series/Justice League days, that's for sure.

[rereboy]

And DBZ's feats weren't "real"?

Can you show me where Superman was more powerful than that?

Where did I say that DB has no real feats? Of course it has real feats, but none compare to even the reasonable feats of superman (like the one posted above, where he bench-pressed the equivalent of Earth for days), let alone his broken feats.

[Kamiccolo9]

Depending upon what version of Superman Goku fights, he could have it easily, take it after a tough fight, struggle to a loss, or be turned to paste in one punch, and everything in between. 77 years of several continuities (and a ton of Elseworld Stories) and hundreds of writers mean this fight could end in a massive number of ways depending upon which Superman he fights and when.

He'd take the DCAU Superman from the old Superman: The Animated Series/Justice League days, that's for sure.

I've mentioned it a few times already, but I'll go ahead and bring it up again. Most Elseworld Supermans are based off of New Earth Supes, or at least use his power set as a rough template. What is, to my knowledge, the weakest comic Superman, Earth Two Superman (the original Superman that began in....1929, I believe), is still capable of insane feats that Goku can't match. He's matched Pre-Crisis Superman in their first meeting, he's flown through a red sun that drains his powers, he's punched through dimensions, etc. Goku simply cannot compare to that.

[Bullza]

Gotenks and Buu shouted a hole through a dimension.

[Kamiccolo9]

Gotenks and Buu shouted a hole through a dimension.

A small hole that resealed itself. Superman literally broke his way through.

[Doctor.]

Has Goku ever surpassed the Speed of Light beyond using Instant Transmission (Speed of Light would allow one to circle the Earth seven and a half times in one second)?

Yes. Not yet, though, we'll have to wait until SSG makes its appearance in Super so we can scale it to Beerus' speed.

[miguelnuva1]

No matter how or what they analyze, Superman still wins. Even Chris Reeve's Superman would overpower Goku easily.

Well considering Reeve's Superman was based on the Pre Crisis days.

[GokuRules987]

I like how they released this battle right before it was confirmed that Beerus can destroy entire universe by kai's. So then I guess ssj god goku is a 70 percent universe buster and yet he lost against the 52 new superman.

You do know based on the context that Old Kai's statement was mad he meant Beerus was going to keep busting planets or solar systems till he destroyed the Universe not in one shot. Also Goku is 60% of Beerus not 70.

Thats not what he actually said dude. Old Kai said that this time he might not only destroy just a planet but even the universe

The universe was compared to a planet which beerus can one shot if he wanted too. Why the hell would beerus trouble himself destroying every planet one by one? he can throw a single attack at goku if he was really pissed that can destroy entire universe.

Plus after abosbing godly ki(power up) Goku had almost no trouble keeping up with beerus even in his base form in which beerus one shot his ssj3 form previously. SSJGOD powerup could even be on a universal level that we didnt know before.

[Doctor.]

I like how they released this battle right before it was confirmed that Beerus can destroy entire universe by kai's. So then I guess ssj god goku is a 70 percent universe buster and yet he lost against the 52 new superman.

You do know based on the context that Old Kai's statement was mad he meant Beerus was going to keep busting planets or solar systems till he destroyed the Universe not in one shot. Also Goku is 60% of Beerus not 70.

Thats not what he actually said dude. Old Kai said that this time he might not only destroy just a planet but even the universe

The universe was compared to a planet which beerus can one shot if he wanted too. Why the hell would beerus trouble himself destroying every planet one by one? he can throw a single attack at goku if he was really pissed that can destroy entire universe.

Is Dragon Ball the only shounen you've watched? Because this is really common, Bleach has like 4 or 5 statements just like this.

[Bullza]

Gotenks and Buu shouted a hole through a dimension.

A small hole that resealed itself. Superman literally broke his way through.

Well they still broke through it too. I'd imagine with the power that Goku has now it's be easy for him to blast a large hole through a dimension with a shout. Not a punch though, it might not work that way with Dragon Ball.

[GokuRules987]

Is Dragon Ball the only shounen you've watched? Because this is really common, Bleach has like 4 or 5 statements just like this.

Look i dont pay much attention when Villains over hype themselves like buuhan who claimed to be omnipotent in the manga but when an Old Kai almost shits his pants over God of destruction flying somewhere in space, he then must have a reason on why he is so afraid of him. Even Supreme kai himself was shocked about Beerus being strong enough to destroy entire universe. And If you really think thats a hyperbole then that makes a Galactus a galaxy buster at best.

[Doctor.]

Is Dragon Ball the only shounen you've watched? Because this is really common, Bleach has like 4 or 5 statements just like this.

Look i dont pay much attention when Villains over hype themselves like buuhan who claimed to be omnipotent in the manga but when an Old Kai almost shits his pants over God of destruction flying somewhere in space, he then must have a reason on why he is so afraid of him. Even Supreme kai himself was shocked about Beerus being strong enough to destroy entire universe. And If you really think thats a hyperbole then that makes a Galactus a galaxy buster at best.

The two Kaioshins used the exact same statement about Boo lol.

[kidhero1000]

Also it's pretty clear Superman had Tien's Haaaaaaaaaa!! Z soul from Xenoverse activated near the end of the battle, no wonder Goku lost.

[GokuRules987]

Gotenks and Buu shouted a hole through a dimension.

A small hole that resealed itself. Superman literally broke his way through.

Well they still broke through it too. I'd imagine with the power that Goku has now it's be easy for him to blast a large hole through a dimension with a shout. Not a punch though, it might not work that way with Dragon Ball.

If DBZ was consistent enough then I am sure it would. I mean why would Goku have to shout when that force only moves at the speed of sound!? His punches are ftl.

[GokuRules987]

Is Dragon Ball the only shounen you've watched? Because this is really common, Bleach has like 4 or 5 statements just like this.

Look i dont pay much attention when Villains over hype themselves like buuhan who claimed to be omnipotent in the manga but when an Old Kai almost shits his pants over God of destruction flying somewhere in space, he then must have a reason on why he is so afraid of him. Even Supreme kai himself was shocked about Beerus being strong enough to destroy entire universe. And If you really think thats a hyperbole then that makes a Galactus a galaxy buster at best.

The two Kaioshins used the exact same statement about Boo lol.

They only implied that if all the z fighters where to lose against buu. Then he would slowly destroy Universe starting from galaxies. Beerus could simply destroy entire universe like it was some play thing.

[ATEMVEGETA]

The point of strength is that each DC and DBZ universes have their own way to show their characters' strength. For Superman they show it with lifting things while with DBZ characters by destroying things.

That's the mistake Screwattack did with the 40 tons feat for Goku. Goku strength SHOULDN'T have been calculated with a weight lifting feat. Toriyama said that DBZ characters' physical strength (lifting strength) has very clear limits, so they use their KI powerups to get more stronger. How much? As much as they can, depending how well trained they are so they can control it. (It is stated in the Super Exciting Guide if I'm not mistaken).

Want a DBZ impressive feat? Lets take Cell's solar-system-buster Kamehameha for example. It was officialy stated by Cell (and many DBZ books) that this Kamehameha had enough power to destroy a solar system. Which is pretty much a Supernova's power (maybe even more than that). Cell's Kamehameha was "even" with Gohan's SS2 Kamehameha, so Gohan's Kamehameha should have had the same destructive capabilities. But Gohan had his strength cut in half at that moment, so a full powered Gohan SS2's Kamehameha should have had double force (so 2 Supernovas). Lets take a hypothetically SS3 Gohan at Cell Saga. He would have had enough power as 2x4=8 Supernovas. A SS4 Gohan would had 80 Supernovas force!!!! GT Goku at base is much much stronger than base Cell Saga Gohan, so at SS4 GT Goku would have much more force then 80 Supernovas with just 1 Kamehameha. Want maybe the SSGod instead of SS4? Then SSGSS? Probably easy galaxy busters!

Tell me now, how much solar energy would Superman need to tank a Kamehameha from Goku at SS4? He barely escaped the 50 Supernovas. What he would do with >80? Even if he tanked the Kamehameha, would he survived a second one? a third one? I doubt it.

[dario03]

Is Dragon Ball the only shounen you've watched? Because this is really common, Bleach has like 4 or 5 statements just like this.

Look i dont pay much attention when Villains over hype themselves like buuhan who claimed to be omnipotent in the manga but when an Old Kai almost shits his pants over God of destruction flying somewhere in space, he then must have a reason on why he is so afraid of him. Even Supreme kai himself was shocked about Beerus being strong enough to destroy entire universe. And If you really think thats a hyperbole then that makes a Galactus a galaxy buster at best.

Galactus has destroyed a universe before.
Also isn't the DBZ universe only 4 galaxies

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Galactus has destroyed a universe before.
Also isn't the DBZ universe only 4 galaxies

Yes it is but, its size was never specify, they could be as big as 1 quadrant of the universe or as big as a generic galaxy.

[godku23]

As far as the Elder Kai's statement about Beerus destroying the universe, its not so far fetched if you think about Toriyama saying in an interview that Beerus can destroy the Kaioshin realm (one fifth of universe 7).