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DB: Mystical Adventure
DBZ: History of Trunks or Wrath of the Dragon (BoG is overrated- the dub isn't, but the Movie itself is, IMO)
DBZ: History of Trunks or Wrath of the Dragon (BoG is overrated- the dub isn't, but the Movie itself is, IMO)
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Dead Zone (DBZ) and Mystical Adventure (DB)
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DB: The Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle, The Mystical Great Adventure
DBZ: Movies 1-7, 9, and 12.
DBZ: Movies 1-7, 9, and 12.
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Wrath of the Dragon
Battle of Gods
Wrath of the Dragon
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For DB: The Path of Power.
For DBZ: Excepting the TV specials of Bardock and Trunks, the best movies in technical aspects are clearly, in other: Battle of Gods(has the best plot in all DBZ movies), The Wrath of Dragon(non-canon, but good), Revival of F(the plot could be better, but is still one of the best DBZ movies), and the 9th Movie(Bojack Unbound).
The rest of them are totally bad or just weak.
For DBZ: Excepting the TV specials of Bardock and Trunks, the best movies in technical aspects are clearly, in other: Battle of Gods(has the best plot in all DBZ movies), The Wrath of Dragon(non-canon, but good), Revival of F(the plot could be better, but is still one of the best DBZ movies), and the 9th Movie(Bojack Unbound).
The rest of them are totally bad or just weak.
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Battle of Gods for me is my favorite DBZ movie. I watch many times and always enjoy it. Great humor, good animation, a great mix of action and comedy and Beerus is so awesome. Beerus and Whis have good personalities to them and have some level of depth to them. Most DBZ movie villains are just boring and generic as hell. Turles is just a boring version of Radditz, Lord Slug is a lame version of Piccolo Daimao & 23rd TB Piccolo, #13 is a lamer version of Cell, Bojack is always boring, Coola is a water down version of his brother and Broli was never anything special to me in my opinion.
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To me it's close between Battle of Gods and Resurrection F. They're very close to me.
Battle of Gods had all that Pilaf nonsense and too much comedy but it was a lot of fun, it added more to the series universe and the end fight was fantastic. Beerus is also a great character.
Resurrection F had a lot more action, a lot less comedy but it didn't really add much and seemed more of a standalone story with little importance but was more still entertaining.
Both had pretty weak stories but did have very nice animation.
I guess I'll go with RoF with BoG very closely behind it and the rest suck in comparison so aren't worth mentioning.
Battle of Gods had all that Pilaf nonsense and too much comedy but it was a lot of fun, it added more to the series universe and the end fight was fantastic. Beerus is also a great character.
Resurrection F had a lot more action, a lot less comedy but it didn't really add much and seemed more of a standalone story with little importance but was more still entertaining.
Both had pretty weak stories but did have very nice animation.
I guess I'll go with RoF with BoG very closely behind it and the rest suck in comparison so aren't worth mentioning.
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Raditz is a boring version of Tullece (Evil Goku). Nothing makes Raditz interesting other than the fact he is Goku's brother. And #13 was clearly meant to be the movie counterpart to #17, not Cell.Hellspawn28 wrote:Tullece is just a boring version of Radditz, #13 is a lamer version of Cell, Bojack is always boring, Coola is a water down version of his brother and Broli was never anything special to me in my opinion.
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#13 absorbs two other cyborgs in order to become a even more stronger and more perfect being just like Cell. Fans have pointed out the similarities between the two for a while now. If you ask me Turles and Radditz do have a few things in common since they both escape the destruction of Planet Vegeta. Both came to Earth looking for Goku after many years and both want to wipe out life on Earth. Turles is like a stronger version of Radditz, but I still find him rather generic. At least Radditz give us info on Goku's origin which was more interesting then Turles had to offer in my opinion
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Does anybody else think The Path to Power is a little underrated? I think it's great. It's the only Dragon Ball film I enjoy to be honest.
As for Z I've gone back and forth on this many times but I do think my favourite is Battle of Gods. Reason being is it was just really entertaining and different to the rest of the films as it took less of a serious approach but still had a really good balance between being funny while at the same time still having a fair amount of action.
As for Z I've gone back and forth on this many times but I do think my favourite is Battle of Gods. Reason being is it was just really entertaining and different to the rest of the films as it took less of a serious approach but still had a really good balance between being funny while at the same time still having a fair amount of action.
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For only the DBZ movies, counting down from worst to best:
15. Bio-Broly
Terrible concept, return of the lamest, most generic villain as an even more generic slime monster who is defeated in a ridiculous way, at one point Goten and Trunks forget that they can fly, lack of Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, etc. The only good part was that 18 had a major role in it.
14. Broly Second Coming
Again, the return of the most overrated villain, and this time he hardly even has any dialogue, it's basically just a bunch of filler until he appears, then a rather uninspired fight with Gohan and the others, and a Deus Ex Machina ending
13. Super Android 13
The different androids were fairly interesting in terms of character design, but the main villain is incredibly generic, the fights are also boring and predictable, and another rather nonsensical ending. Best parts were Goku getting punched in the balls and Vegeta's line at the very end.
12. Return of Cooler
First movie to take place on another planet, so that's a bonus, the idea of the Big Gete Star and how it upgraded Cooler was also neat, and the fights were pretty good. However, the movie was badly animated, it had a ton of plot holes, and another DeM ending that didn't make much sense.
11. Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan
Despite introducing the single most overrated villain/character in DB history, he was actually rather mysterious and almost interesting in this movie. The animation and atmosphere were good, the fights were well-choreographed, and the mystery of Paragus and the new planet Vegeta was pretty cool. Trunks was also good in this movie. However, the soundtrack was godawful and there was another awful DeM ending
10. Bojack Unbound
This one would be higher on the list if Bojack wasn't so generic, but his henchmen (and henchwoman) almost make up for that. The tournament at the beginning was cool too, and having Gohan save the day was also a plus. More of the Z-senshi get to fight than usual as well.
9. Lord Slug
An underrated one, in my opinion. Having a Namekian for a villain was cool, and seeing him grow to giant size like Piccolo did was a nice callback. Sure, he was sort of a rehash of King Piccolo, but rehashing my favorite DB part 1 villain isn't necessarily a bad thing. Giji Super Saiyan was also cool. The whistling plot device, however, and the fact that he was defeated yet again by a spirit bomb was kind of lame.
8. Dead Zone
Very atmospheric, the design of the sets like Garlic Jr.'s palace was cool, nice to see Piccolo and Goku fight together for one of the first times, as well as Gohan and Krillin get in on the action. Garlic Jr. is a lame villain though, and his henchmen were generic.
7. Resurrection F
Granted, I've only seen about half of it, as well as reading the script and summaries, but from what I can tell the good parts are all of the Z-Senshi getting to fight, the training scene with Whis, the inclusion of Whis and Beerus, Vegeta getting to beat down Freeza, Jaco's inclusion, etc. I also actually like Freeza's golden form. Problems include several plot holes, Goku securing the kill at the end, Whis' Deus Ex Machina time rewind, Beerus never getting a chance to fight or really do anything noteworthy, etc.
6. Wrath of the Dragon
Very unique villain design, I also like the sorcerer guy who summons him (I forget his name), Tapion is an interesting character, the fights are quite good, Videl has a role, etc. Basically the only thing I really dislike about it is how Gohan was jobbed out so Goku could save the day once again.
5. Fusion Reborn
Unique villain with unique abilities, presence of Pikkon, the whole swearing gag, interesting atmosphere, we get the whole Goku and Vegeta reluctantly teaming up, etc. I just wish Pikkon could have fought more and the fight wasn't over so quickly after Gogeta appeared.
4. Cooler's Revenge
Sure, Cooler is a retread of Freeza, but I like his color scheme, and his final form looks awesome. Salza and Cooler's armored squadron were pretty good too, and the fights were great consistently, especially the ones with Piccolo and Goku. No DeM ending or spirit bomb or anything either, if anything the only plot device was that Goku couldn't go SSJ for most of the movie.
3. Tree of Might
The titular tree is a great idea and makes for some great visuals, Tullece is an underrated villain, the fights were pretty awesome, almost everyone got a chance to shine, the only thing really bringing it down was the use of the spirit bomb at the end, but it's really not all that bad since it's only the second movie that was resolved that way so it hadn't gotten old yet, and it actually failed at first until Goku gathered the energy from the tree (which I thought was a clever twist).
2. World's Strongest
What's not to like about this movie? Great animation, atmospheric scenes, Master Roshi fighting, Goku vs. Piccolo, interesting henchmen with interesting abilities, an awesome design for the main villain, great fight choreography, a fight that ends in space (23 years before Battle of Gods did it), etc. Sure it ended with a spirit bomb, but it was the first time the movies pulled that, and I think the best use of it in all of them.
1. Battle of Gods
What is there to say that hasn't been said already? Great new characters, appearances from practically the entire cast, lots of funny scenes reminiscent of early Dragonball, amazing soundtrack, animation, and fight choreography, and for once Goku doesn't win the fight, but still manages to make friends with the villain and save the Earth.
15. Bio-Broly
Terrible concept, return of the lamest, most generic villain as an even more generic slime monster who is defeated in a ridiculous way, at one point Goten and Trunks forget that they can fly, lack of Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, etc. The only good part was that 18 had a major role in it.
14. Broly Second Coming
Again, the return of the most overrated villain, and this time he hardly even has any dialogue, it's basically just a bunch of filler until he appears, then a rather uninspired fight with Gohan and the others, and a Deus Ex Machina ending
13. Super Android 13
The different androids were fairly interesting in terms of character design, but the main villain is incredibly generic, the fights are also boring and predictable, and another rather nonsensical ending. Best parts were Goku getting punched in the balls and Vegeta's line at the very end.
12. Return of Cooler
First movie to take place on another planet, so that's a bonus, the idea of the Big Gete Star and how it upgraded Cooler was also neat, and the fights were pretty good. However, the movie was badly animated, it had a ton of plot holes, and another DeM ending that didn't make much sense.
11. Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan
Despite introducing the single most overrated villain/character in DB history, he was actually rather mysterious and almost interesting in this movie. The animation and atmosphere were good, the fights were well-choreographed, and the mystery of Paragus and the new planet Vegeta was pretty cool. Trunks was also good in this movie. However, the soundtrack was godawful and there was another awful DeM ending
10. Bojack Unbound
This one would be higher on the list if Bojack wasn't so generic, but his henchmen (and henchwoman) almost make up for that. The tournament at the beginning was cool too, and having Gohan save the day was also a plus. More of the Z-senshi get to fight than usual as well.
9. Lord Slug
An underrated one, in my opinion. Having a Namekian for a villain was cool, and seeing him grow to giant size like Piccolo did was a nice callback. Sure, he was sort of a rehash of King Piccolo, but rehashing my favorite DB part 1 villain isn't necessarily a bad thing. Giji Super Saiyan was also cool. The whistling plot device, however, and the fact that he was defeated yet again by a spirit bomb was kind of lame.
8. Dead Zone
Very atmospheric, the design of the sets like Garlic Jr.'s palace was cool, nice to see Piccolo and Goku fight together for one of the first times, as well as Gohan and Krillin get in on the action. Garlic Jr. is a lame villain though, and his henchmen were generic.
7. Resurrection F
Granted, I've only seen about half of it, as well as reading the script and summaries, but from what I can tell the good parts are all of the Z-Senshi getting to fight, the training scene with Whis, the inclusion of Whis and Beerus, Vegeta getting to beat down Freeza, Jaco's inclusion, etc. I also actually like Freeza's golden form. Problems include several plot holes, Goku securing the kill at the end, Whis' Deus Ex Machina time rewind, Beerus never getting a chance to fight or really do anything noteworthy, etc.
6. Wrath of the Dragon
Very unique villain design, I also like the sorcerer guy who summons him (I forget his name), Tapion is an interesting character, the fights are quite good, Videl has a role, etc. Basically the only thing I really dislike about it is how Gohan was jobbed out so Goku could save the day once again.
5. Fusion Reborn
Unique villain with unique abilities, presence of Pikkon, the whole swearing gag, interesting atmosphere, we get the whole Goku and Vegeta reluctantly teaming up, etc. I just wish Pikkon could have fought more and the fight wasn't over so quickly after Gogeta appeared.
4. Cooler's Revenge
Sure, Cooler is a retread of Freeza, but I like his color scheme, and his final form looks awesome. Salza and Cooler's armored squadron were pretty good too, and the fights were great consistently, especially the ones with Piccolo and Goku. No DeM ending or spirit bomb or anything either, if anything the only plot device was that Goku couldn't go SSJ for most of the movie.
3. Tree of Might
The titular tree is a great idea and makes for some great visuals, Tullece is an underrated villain, the fights were pretty awesome, almost everyone got a chance to shine, the only thing really bringing it down was the use of the spirit bomb at the end, but it's really not all that bad since it's only the second movie that was resolved that way so it hadn't gotten old yet, and it actually failed at first until Goku gathered the energy from the tree (which I thought was a clever twist).
2. World's Strongest
What's not to like about this movie? Great animation, atmospheric scenes, Master Roshi fighting, Goku vs. Piccolo, interesting henchmen with interesting abilities, an awesome design for the main villain, great fight choreography, a fight that ends in space (23 years before Battle of Gods did it), etc. Sure it ended with a spirit bomb, but it was the first time the movies pulled that, and I think the best use of it in all of them.
1. Battle of Gods
What is there to say that hasn't been said already? Great new characters, appearances from practically the entire cast, lots of funny scenes reminiscent of early Dragonball, amazing soundtrack, animation, and fight choreography, and for once Goku doesn't win the fight, but still manages to make friends with the villain and save the Earth.
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I always liked movie 6. You could stretch it a bit to fit into canon, although I wasn't that big a fan of the whole "Cosmic-Techno Cooler" concept. Animation was up and down, but we did get to see Goku and Vegeta fight alongside each other better than it's ever been done.
I would take Bio Broly over the travesties that are the new movies.
I would take Bio Broly over the travesties that are the new movies.
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My DBZ movie tier list (Top being good and bottom being bad). It's been ages since I seen DB Movies 1-4, so I'm going off from memory.
Great:
Battle of Gods
DBZ Movie 13
DBZ Movie 1
DBZ Movie 2 (Used to hate this movie. I found myself liking it more now)
Good:
DBZ Movie 12
Path of Power
DBZ Movie 5
Average:
DBZ Movie 3
DB Movie 1
DB Movie 2
DB Movie 3
DBZ Movie 9
DBZ Movie 8
Crap:
DBZ Movie 6
DBZ Movie 7
DBZ Movie 4
Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins (1989)
Evolution
Horrible:
DBZ Movie 11
So bad it's good:
The korean live action film
Great:
Battle of Gods
DBZ Movie 13
DBZ Movie 1
DBZ Movie 2 (Used to hate this movie. I found myself liking it more now)
Good:
DBZ Movie 12
Path of Power
DBZ Movie 5
Average:
DBZ Movie 3
DB Movie 1
DB Movie 2
DB Movie 3
DBZ Movie 9
DBZ Movie 8
Crap:
DBZ Movie 6
DBZ Movie 7
DBZ Movie 4
Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins (1989)
Evolution
Horrible:
DBZ Movie 11
So bad it's good:
The korean live action film
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Great:
Movie 1
Movie 7
Movie 3
Good:
Movie 12
Movie 9
Movie 2
Bardock special
Average:
Movie 4
Movie 5
Movie 8
Movie 11
Trunks special
Crap:
Movie 6
Movie 10
Horrible:
Evolution
So bad it's good:
Any Big Green or Malaysian dub of the films
Haven't seen enough to make a judgement:
Movie 13
New films
Movie 1
Movie 7
Movie 3
Good:
Movie 12
Movie 9
Movie 2
Bardock special
Average:
Movie 4
Movie 5
Movie 8
Movie 11
Trunks special
Crap:
Movie 6
Movie 10
Horrible:
Evolution
So bad it's good:
Any Big Green or Malaysian dub of the films
Haven't seen enough to make a judgement:
Movie 13
New films
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You would have to stretch it a lot in order to fit into the timeline. DBZ Movie 6 had bad writing and bad animation. The movie has not aged well at all and I only like the fight scenes in the movie. The movie's plot holes really hurt my head such as:VintageSaiyan wrote:I always liked movie 6. You could stretch it a bit to fit into canon
- Where the hell Vegeta came from in the movie. How did he know that Goku and the others where on New Namek?
- How did Vegeta get the Saiyan Pod in the film if the others where destroyed? Won't he used a Capsule Corp ship instead?
- If the movie is set three years before #19 and Dr. Gero show up then how is Dende the god of the Earth?
- If Kami and Piccolo had already merged in this film, so why is Piccolo so weak all of the sudden? He should be as strong as Goku or Vegeta, if not stronger?
- If the movie is also set three years before #19 and Dr. Gero show up then how did they know where New Namek is at? Goku had no idea where it was until he visit King Kai later on in the Cell saga.
- If the movie is set during the 7 days Cell game break then where the hell is Trunks, why Gohan is still shorter then Krillin, why can't Gohan go SSj, why don't Goku and Vegeta go beyond SSj? Also Goku should be in his FPSSj form instead his base form if it's during the 7 day break for the Cell games.
- If the movie is set during the Cell saga then why leave Earth if #16-#18 are roaming Earth and causing havoc, and Cell is out there as well? They won't leave the Earth in danger so easily.
- Both Metal Coola and Goku can teleport without concentrating on a particular individual's ki signature. So how come Goku can teleport without locking on a ki signature in the movie, but he still needs to in the anime TV series and manga?
- Why did Goku go Kaioken right off the bat during his battle with Coola when he go SSj anytime now seeing that he knows Coola is stronger now and he knew that Super Saiyan would be required to beat him.
- Why create 500,000,000,000 Coola clones if you are going to make them much weaker then yourself?
- When Coola was rebuild as Metal Coola, why did he chose to go to New Namek instead Earth? Earth was the Planet that Goku and the others live on. I doubt that he knew that Goku and the others where going to New Namek.
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Probably the same reason Goku fought Kid Buu at SSJ2 at first in the anime filler.Hellspawn28 wrote:- Why did Goku go Kaioken right off the bat during his battle with Coola when he go SSj anytime now seeing that he knows Coola is stronger now and he knew that Super Saiyan would be required to beat him.
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What the-? What the hell even IS that? I don't recall the movie looking that bad. Although, it has been a while since I've last seen the movie so I should give it a watch again sometime soon.Hellspawn28 wrote:
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Moive 6 had some really horrible animation shots. Some others I found.

Derp eye Piccolo

Metal Coola or some Transformers knock off?

Movie 5 was flawed, but the movie is enjoyable to me. I find to be a guilty pleasure.

Derp eye Piccolo

Metal Coola or some Transformers knock off?

Movie 5 was flawed, but the movie is enjoyable to me. I find to be a guilty pleasure.
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God good. I remember Movie 6 having some bad animation shot but... damn.Hellspawn28 wrote:Moive 6 had some really horrible animation shots. Some others I found.
Derp eye PiccoloSpoiler:
Metal Coola or some Transformers knock off?Spoiler:
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Criticize the consistency of the character designs or environment of the new animation all you want, but at least we haven't had shots as bad as this. Yuck.
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Lord Beerus wrote:Criticize the consistency of the character designs or environment of the new animation all you want, but at least we haven't had shots as bad as this. Yuck.
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