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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:58 pm

supercat wrote: I'm not sure how turning SSJ would suddenly improve Trunks' familiarity with the gravity room. All his transformation did was give him the strength necessitated to move around freely. You either have the strength to handle the increased levels of gravity or you don't. Experience likely has very little to do with it.

I don't recall Vegeta tapping into the full extent of his power before sparring with Trunks. It seemed like the whole point of their brief sparring match was so the prince could simply test his son's abilities, versus actually trying to score a win on him.
Not saying it'd improve his familiarity. Like I keep saying, combination of strength and familiarity. Like, let's just arbitrarily (as in these numbers are not meant to imply anything about the relationship between SSJ and base, the actual difference between Trunks and Vegeta, etc.) rate Vegeta at:

G-room experience: 75

Base power: 50

SSJ power: 500

And Trunks--

G-room experience: 5

Base power: 30

SSJ power: 300

And according to what I'm saying, you'd need to reach 100 by some combination of skill and power to be able to move freely/normally in the gravity room (at whatever setting it was on in that scene). Vegeta's experience plus his base power already exceed that; he's good. Trunks' only gives him a total of 35, but if he goes SSJ he shoots past the 'goal'.

My overall point being, I'm not saying turning SSJ increases his familiarity, just that you need either a balance of both, or a lot of one or the other.

Because, I sincerely doubt base Trunks is just too weak for the gravity there. I don't think outside of anime-only/filler stuff the gravity room ever goes beyond 150G, and Goku with a base power of under 100,000 BP conquered 100G. Trunks' base power isn't under a million XD

In any case, all we know is that Vegeta was in SSJ1. There's no indication he "tapped into his full power" as you say, but there's no indication that he restricted himself to move slower than he was able to either. Again, if he could go faster, he'd have done so rather than striking Trunks back which was basically a 'last resort' type thing.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Whiss vs Beerus & Golden Frieza (No Energy Drain) & Goku & Vegeta SSJG SS & Goku SSJG (BoG) & Vegetao Ssj3 (BoG)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:59 pm

h0kuten wrote:Whiss vs Beerus & Golden Freeza (No Energy Drain) & Goku & Vegeta SSJG SS & Goku SSJG (BoG) & Vegetao Ssj3 (BoG)
The team. Whis is stronger than them, but one of them is 2/3 his power, and three more aren't far off of it.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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h0kuten wrote:Whiss vs Beerus & Golden Freeza (No Energy Drain) & Goku & Vegeta SSJG SS & Goku SSJG (BoG) & Vegetao Ssj3 (BoG)
Whis wins this easily. Teamwork never matters in Dragon Ball against a skilled opponent when the gap is too big.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:17 pm

h0kuten wrote:Whiss vs Beerus & Golden Freeza (No Energy Drain) & Goku & Vegeta SSJG SS & Goku SSJG (BoG) & Vegetao Ssj3 (BoG)
Whis solos. The gap in strength is just way too large for teamwork to compensate.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LightBing » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:20 pm

Kuririn and Yajirobe vs Yamcha, Chiaotzu(No psychic powers) and Kame Sennin - At their power when Raditz arrived

Piccolo(Boo Arc) and Kaioshin(No psychic powers) vs Goku (Cell Games)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:39 pm

LightBing wrote:Kuririn and Yajirobe vs Yamcha, Chiaotzu(No psychic powers) and Kame Sennin - At their power when Raditz arrived

Piccolo(Boo Arc) and Kaioshin(No psychic powers) vs Goku (Cell Games)

Piccolo Daimao vs Meruem
Krillin can take Yamcha (206 to 178), Yajirobe (22nd Tenshinhan's equal) can take the other two.

Goku; Kaioshin was terrified by the Perfect-Cell-ish Dabura, and Piccolo was weaker than SSJ adult Gohan, who was probably weaker than Cell Games Goku. And the difference in both cases seems to be pretty large.

Still only partway through that arc of Hunter X Hunter and only just saw Meruem's birth, so no idea.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:46 pm

Captain Space wrote:
supercat wrote: I'm not sure how turning SSJ would suddenly improve Trunks' familiarity with the gravity room. All his transformation did was give him the strength necessitated to move around freely. You either have the strength to handle the increased levels of gravity or you don't. Experience likely has very little to do with it.

I don't recall Vegeta tapping into the full extent of his power before sparring with Trunks. It seemed like the whole point of their brief sparring match was so the prince could simply test his son's abilities, versus actually trying to score a win on him.
Not saying it'd improve his familiarity. Like I keep saying, combination of strength and familiarity. Like, let's just arbitrarily (as in these numbers are not meant to imply anything about the relationship between SSJ and base, the actual difference between Trunks and Vegeta, etc.) rate Vegeta at:

G-room experience: 75

Base power: 50

SSJ power: 500

And Trunks--

G-room experience: 5

Base power: 30

SSJ power: 300

And according to what I'm saying, you'd need to reach 100 by some combination of skill and power to be able to move freely/normally in the gravity room (at whatever setting it was on in that scene). Vegeta's experience plus his base power already exceed that; he's good. Trunks' only gives him a total of 35, but if he goes SSJ he shoots past the 'goal'.

My overall point being, I'm not saying turning SSJ increases his familiarity, just that you need either a balance of both, or a lot of one or the other.

Because, I sincerely doubt base Trunks is just too weak for the gravity there. I don't think outside of anime-only/filler stuff the gravity room ever goes beyond 150G, and Goku with a base power of under 100,000 BP conquered 100G. Trunks' base power isn't under a million XD

In any case, all we know is that Vegeta was in SSJ1. There's no indication he "tapped into his full power" as you say, but there's no indication that he restricted himself to move slower than he was able to either. Again, if he could go faster, he'd have done so rather than striking Trunks back which was basically a 'last resort' type thing.
We're over complicating a fairly simple matter by throwing in unnecessary variables in my opinion. Again, moving around in the gravity room should be no different from pulling a load of heavy weights. Meaning, the only thing that makes a significant difference is strength. Either you're strong enough to handle the resistance of the increased levels of gravity or you're not. I'm sure there are subtle techniques that one could incorporate to soften their movements, but with that much gravity, I doubt it would even matter.

Vegeta has the tendency to get annoyed quite easily, so he probably smacked Trunks out of annoyance more so than anything else. It's not like he was in a desperate struggle for survival where he was cornered into either having to boost his speed or throw a punch.
h0kuten wrote:Whiss vs Beerus & Golden Freeza (No Energy Drain) & Goku & Vegeta SSJG SS & Goku SSJG (BoG) & Vegetao Ssj3 (BoG)
Whis understands that if he wants to make it out of this unscathed, he needs to give the group his undivided attention. As he carefully eyes each fighter heading in his direction, he prepares himself to dodge, block, and counter whatever they each have to offer. Desiring to get the most ruthless one out of the way first, Whis immediately maneuvers past Frieza's best techniques, and instantly finishes him off by double chopping him on both sides of his neck. Immediately after scoring a point against the tyrant, Whis elbows Beerus up the chin and renders him unconscious with a spin kick to the head.

Sensing the remaining fighters approach him, Whis sends them all flying back with a powerful kiai, and promptly vanishes. He then reappears and catches SSJ3 Vegetto with a bone-shattering uppercut to his back. After the two Gokus and Vegeta finally catch themselves from the force of the kiai, they begin frantically looking around for their opponent. Within seconds, Whis appears inches away from the three Saiyans and cheerfully smiles at them. Seeing this as an opening, the trio unleash their best combo of attacks. Vegeta goes all out with a furious rampage of punches, while the duo of Gokus alternate punches with kicks in a very rhythmic fashion, almost as if they're following a tempo. Despite the trio's best efforts, Whis casually dodges everything with the utmost ease. Angered, Vegeta charges in once more, but before he gets a chance to showcase his impressive power, he finds that Whis has yet again vanished.

A second later, Whis reappears above SSG Goku and knocks him out with a graceful, but punishing chop to the top of his head. He then backhands SSGSS Goku to the floor, and brings Vegeta to his knees with a debilitating kick to his stomach.
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Piccolo(Boo Arc) and Kaioshin(No psychic powers) vs Goku (Cell Games)

Piccolo Daimao vs Meruem
Krillin and Yajirobe look at each other and laugh as they realize how easily they were going to win. Without even breaking a sweat, Krillin casually beats his buddy down to the floor. He then panics as he realizes he may have overdone it a bit. Desperately wanting the meal that Roshi had promised the winning team, Yajirobe uses his brute strength to easily overpower the combined powers of the old master and Chaozu.

Kaioshin orders Piccolo to stand down as he would like to use this opportunity to test his power. The Namekian obediently complies and grabs a front row seat as he watches the overseer and his old rival go at it. Much like he expected, the battle ends with a battered Goku humbly accepting defeat, while practically begging Kaioshin to train him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:56 pm

supercat wrote: We're over complicating a fairly simple matter by throwing in unnecessary variables in my opinion. Again, moving around in the gravity room should be no different from pulling a load of heavy weights. Meaning, the only thing that makes a significant difference is strength. Either you're strong enough to handle the resistance of the increased levels of gravity or you're not. I'm sure there are subtle techniques that one could incorporate to soften their movements, but with that much gravity, I doubt it would even matter.
I'd say the variable is entirely necessary, otherwise you have base Trunks as being not much stronger than Goku when he first arrived on Namek.
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Post by Pantalones » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:43 pm

Assuming that the ability to withstand gravity is only due to strength, with familiarity with that level of gravity not being a factor, also gives you the bizarre situation where Raditz (at a level of 1200-1500 depending on who you ask) probably wouldn't be able to fight effectively in his own home planet's 10x gravity, based on how Yamcha ( who was also in that same range of power following his death in the Saibaiman/Nappa/Vegeta battle) commented that it was hard to even run on North Kaio's planet due to the higher gravity.

So there's got to be another factor there besides power. It's kind of ridiculous to imagine that an average low-class Saiyan warrior would have difficulty running on their own home planet.

And we know it's not just a Saiyan biology thing, as Goku also had a hard time upon reaching Kaio's planet. He was doing worse at first than Yamcha was, actually... so strength definitely does make a difference even though it's not the only factor, considering that Goku in the mid-400s wasn't able to handle the gravity as well as Yamcha in the low/mid 1000s. So yeah... it seems pretty clear to me that part of it is down to strength (Trunks being able to power through the gravity by going Super Saiyan, Yamcha and the others having an easier time with the gravity with their 1000+ power levels compared to Goku with his 450ish), but part of it is your body's familiarity with that level of gravity too. Pui Pui assuming that 10x gravity would give him an advantage doesn't make sense otherwise. He doesn't know Saiyans came from a 10x gravity planet (and Vegeta in particular has trained in much higher gravity than that), so he thinks that going to 10x gravity will slow down or weaken Vegeta enough that he'll be able to keep up with him. If it was just power, then wouldn't the gravity hurt Pui Pui (who wasn't able to keep up with Vegeta at all, even when Vegeta was holding back at first) more than it could possibly help??

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:37 am

Pantalones wrote:Assuming that the ability to withstand gravity is only due to strength, with familiarity with that level of gravity not being a factor, also gives you the bizarre situation where Raditz (at a level of 1200-1500 depending on who you ask) probably wouldn't be able to fight effectively in his own home planet's 10x gravity, based on how Yamcha ( who was also in that same range of power following his death in the Saibaiman/Nappa/Vegeta battle) commented that it was hard to even run on North Kaio's planet due to the higher gravity.

So there's got to be another factor there besides power. It's kind of ridiculous to imagine that an average low-class Saiyan warrior would have difficulty running on their own home planet.

And we know it's not just a Saiyan biology thing, as Goku also had a hard time upon reaching Kaio's planet. He was doing worse at first than Yamcha was, actually... so strength definitely does make a difference even though it's not the only factor, considering that Goku in the mid-400s wasn't able to handle the gravity as well as Yamcha in the low/mid 1000s. So yeah... it seems pretty clear to me that part of it is down to strength (Trunks being able to power through the gravity by going Super Saiyan, Yamcha and the others having an easier time with the gravity with their 1000+ power levels compared to Goku with his 450ish), but part of it is your body's familiarity with that level of gravity too. Pui Pui assuming that 10x gravity would give him an advantage doesn't make sense otherwise. He doesn't know Saiyans came from a 10x gravity planet (and Vegeta in particular has trained in much higher gravity than that), so he thinks that going to 10x gravity will slow down or weaken Vegeta enough that he'll be able to keep up with him. If it was just power, then wouldn't the gravity hurt Pui Pui (who wasn't able to keep up with Vegeta at all, even when Vegeta was holding back at first) more than it could possibly help??
We don't even know how well Raditz actually handled Planet Vegeta's gravity. He was always out conquering planets, so the vast majority of his battles were probably fought elsewhere. Plus, he was likely a child when the planet was destroyed, so I really doubt he even spent much time there at all.

I personally do not take anything Pui Pui has to say seriously. Clearly his perception on power was skewed as he actually thought he stood a chance against Vegeta. In any case, I think the whole purpose of that scene was to show how outclassed the poor mook was.

As I've said before, while there probably are techniques that an individual could incorporate to move around more freely in the gravity room, my guess is that the efficacy of these techniques would likely only be noticeable with subtle increases in gravity (2-5x normal gravity). The concept would be quite akin to how people who leverage proper form to lift heavy objects could safely lift a bit more than those who use improper form. With that said, form itself isn't going to take someone who only benches 100lbs and suddenly privilege them with the strength to press 250lbs.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Pantalones » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:36 am

It's true that we don't actually see Raditz on his homeworld and he probably didn't spend all that much time there. Still, he's our "measuring stick" for what a low-class Saiyan warrior is like. The vast majority of the Saiyan population was within Raditz's league of power, or at least close enough (plus or minus some) to qualify as "low-class." The thought of the majority of an entire species having difficulty running around or fighting or training on their own planet is just ridiculous. Also, neither Dragonball Minus or the Bardock special had anyone straining and breathing heavily due to Planet Vegeta's gravity, which says to me that any Saiyan who lived on Planet Vegeta for any length of time would just naturally develop a resistance to that level of gravity no matter how strong they are, whether their power level was 10,000ish or closer to 1000ish.

And yeah, Pui Pui is kind of a joke -- but still, he and Babidi both seemed to think that changing over to a 10x gravity environment would help him since that's what his home planet was like. And I'm pretty sure Vegeta never calls him out on this beyond saying something along the lines of "oh, guess what? my planet had 10x gravity too, so this is nothing for me." Not "I'm too strong for this gravity to do anything," but "my planet had this level of gravity too, so I'm used to it and it won't help you any." Gravity tolerance can't be purely a strength thing if Pui Pui expected a slightly stronger fighter (...well, he thought Vegeta might only be slightly stronger than him... like you said, his perception of Vegeta's power vs. his own was WAY off) to fall behind due to not being used to the gravity.

You also have to consider that the characters we're talking about are all ridiculously, insanely strong by real-world standards. Just because a real-world human using particular techniques might only increase their lifting capacity by so much doesn't necessarily mean Dragonball characters will be limited in the same sort of ways, and resistance to higher gravity isn't really something you can make much of a real-world comparison to anyway. Real-world humans probably couldn't ever adjust to living in anywhere near 10x gravity no matter what they do, after all (and we also can't train beyond a power level of maybe 6 or 7 in Dragonball terms if we're really lucky, so just getting strong enough to handle it through raw power is definitely not an option! XD), while every strong fighter in Dragonball seems to be able to adjust to higher gravity just by training in it for a while. Characters with power levels above 100 or so who know how to use ki just don't work in a "real-lifey" way.

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Pantalones wrote:It's true that we don't actually see Raditz on his homeworld and he probably didn't spend all that much time there. Still, he's our "measuring stick" for what a low-class Saiyan warrior is like. The vast majority of the Saiyan population was within Raditz's league of power, or at least close enough (plus or minus some) to qualify as "low-class." The thought of the majority of an entire species having difficulty running around or fighting or training on their own planet is just ridiculous. Also, neither Dragonball Minus or the Bardock special had anyone straining and breathing heavily due to Planet Vegeta's gravity, which says to me that any Saiyan who lived on Planet Vegeta for any length of time would just naturally develop a resistance to that level of gravity no matter how strong they are, whether their power level was 10,000ish or closer to 1000ish.

And yeah, Pui Pui is kind of a joke -- but still, he and Babidi both seemed to think that changing over to a 10x gravity environment would help him since that's what his home planet was like. And I'm pretty sure Vegeta never calls him out on this beyond saying something along the lines of "oh, guess what? my planet had 10x gravity too, so this is nothing for me." Not "I'm too strong for this gravity to do anything," but "my planet had this level of gravity too, so I'm used to it and it won't help you any." Gravity tolerance can't be purely a strength thing if Pui Pui expected a slightly stronger fighter (...well, he thought Vegeta might only be slightly stronger than him... like you said, his perception of Vegeta's power vs. his own was WAY off) to fall behind due to not being used to the gravity.

You also have to consider that the characters we're talking about are all ridiculously, insanely strong by real-world standards. Just because a real-world human using particular techniques might only increase their lifting capacity by so much doesn't necessarily mean Dragonball characters will be limited in the same sort of ways, and resistance to higher gravity isn't really something you can make much of a real-world comparison to anyway. Real-world humans probably couldn't ever adjust to living in anywhere near 10x gravity no matter what they do, after all (and we also can't train beyond a power level of maybe 6 or 7 in Dragonball terms if we're really lucky, so just getting strong enough to handle it through raw power is definitely not an option! XD), while every strong fighter in Dragonball seems to be able to adjust to higher gravity just by training in it for a while. Characters with power levels above 100 or so who know how to use ki just don't work in a "real-lifey" way.
Well perhaps at 10x normal gravity, other factors such as adaptability and technique may have an influence, as the increase is quite negligible in comparison to higher levels like 150-300x normal gravity. This could explain why the Saiyans on Planet Vegeta displayed no signs of strain despite being weaker than some of the Z-Fighters who ventured off to King Kai's planet. Additionally, humans appear to be naturally far weaker in physical strength in comparison to the average Saiyan, and hence seem to rely more on their inner ki to power up and participate in other strenuous activities. While Saiyans too rely on their ki quite a bit in comparison to beings like Frieza, their bodies are probably able to exert far more raw strength than humans, and are thus able to handle higher gravity. We could assume that Yamcha and co were trying to muscle their way around 10x gravity as they may have interpreted it as nothing more than walking around in heavy resistance. Over time, their physical bodies probably gained the power needed to breeze through the elevated levels of gravity without having to tap into as much ki.

Pui Pui and Babidi were probably among the most incompetent villains in all of DBZ in my opinion. With their inaccurate calculations and assumptions, I wouldn't be surprised if they falsely believed that a slight elevation in gravity would actually be the turning point for them. Vegeta doesn't necessarily have to say that he's strong enough to tolerate 10x gravity. The purpose of telling his opponent that he too could handle it was probably to instill some fear into the overly confident fool. I could see the point you were trying to make though.

The only other thing I could think of is by going SSJ, Trunks was able to tap into larger levels of his inner ki, hence gaining the ability / strength to handle the gravity room. In any case, if transforming suddenly allowed him to move around so easily, then the other variables (if they even exist) are probably quite trivial. His physical body may have lacked the strength necessitated to handle the increased levels of gravity, but his ki gave him more than enough power to be able to zoom around comfortably.

When all is said and done, we don't know the exact prerequisites for handling higher levels of gravity, so at the end of the day, either one of us could be right.

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Post by Blocky » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:14 pm

Raditz vs Every Creepypasta Character on Earth.
ROF Gohan vs DBGT Gohan
SSJ3 Gotenks vs. GT Trunks
SSJ Goku (M7) SSJ Goku (M8)
SSJ 23rd WMAT Goku vs Raditz
King Kai (using Kaioken) vs Nappa.
Kid Goku (Beginning Of Series) vs Call Of Duty universe

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:28 pm

Blocky wrote:ROF Gohan vs DBGT Gohan
ROF Gohan is a slacker while GT Gohan actually trained, so the latter wins.
Blocky wrote:SSJ3 Gotenks vs. GT Trunks
It depends on the arc, but I'd say Trunks by M2 would easily beat SS3 Gotenks as a Super Saiyan.
Blocky wrote:SSJ Goku (M7) SSJ Goku (M8)
...Why would M7 Goku be stronger? He should be Android arc. M8 Goku is warm-up Goku from the Perfect Cell saga in my opinion, he wins.
Blocky wrote:SSJ 23rd WMAT Goku vs Raditz
Raditz was only ~3-4x stronger than BOZ Goku. I doubt Goku made huge gains from the 23rd TB to the BOZ, there would've been some mention. Goku slaughters his brother.
Blocky wrote:King Kai (using Kaioken) vs Nappa
I have Kaio-sama at 3,500 and Nappa at 7,500. Kaio-sama would need a KKx3 to win.

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Post by Helios518 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:30 pm

1st form Frieza (Rof) Gauntlet

Perfect Cell
Super Perfect Cell
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Fat Buu*
SSJ3 Goku (Buu saga)
Kid Buu*
Super Buu*

*No absorption
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Helios518 wrote:1st form Freeza (Rof) vs Perfect Cell
1st form Freeza (Rof) vs Super Perfect Cell
Piccolo's reaction to 1st form Freeza's power certainly made it seem like he was in the upper-echelon of ki that Piccolo had ever sensed up to that point. He'd easily stomp Cell, imo.

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Post by Helios518 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:37 am

Galan007 wrote:
Helios518 wrote:1st form Freeza (Rof) vs Perfect Cell
1st form Freeza (Rof) vs Super Perfect Cell
Piccolo's reaction to 1st form Freeza's power certainly made it seem like he was in the upper-echelon of ki that Piccolo had ever sensed up to that point. He'd easily stomp Cell, imo.
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Post by h0kuten » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:56 am

Helios518 wrote:1st form Freeza (Rof) Gauntlet

Perfect Cell
Super Perfect Cell
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Fat Buu*
SSJ3 Goku (Buu saga)
Kid Buu*
Super Buu*

*No absorption
He easily defeats all of them at the same time.

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Post by supercat » Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:09 am

Blocky wrote:Raditz vs Every Creepypasta Character on Earth.
ROF Gohan vs DBGT Gohan
SSJ3 Gotenks vs. GT Trunks
SSJ Goku (M7) SSJ Goku (M8)
SSJ 23rd WMAT Goku vs Raditz
King Kai (using Kaioken) vs Nappa.
Kid Goku (Beginning Of Series) vs Call Of Duty universe
ROF Gohan vs DBGT Gohan

GT Gohan challenges his younger counterpart to a fight in hopes of seeing just how powerful this version of himself has become. After shaking off the initial shock of encountering himself, FnF Gohan accepts the challenge. Without wasting time, GT Gohan powers up and leaves his counterpart awe-struck.

"By that look on your face, I could only assume that you didn't keep up with your training." says GT Gohan with confidence in his voice as he begins to form a smirk.

"Hah..Hah.. I'm really in for it aren't I?" FnF Gohan asks as he nervously chuckles.

"Well, I'm not going to destroy myself, if that's what you're asking." GT Gohan sternly responds, as he gets into his fighting stance. "But you really should have followed Piccolo's advice and kept up with your training."

"It's just I've been so busy with.." Before FnF Gohan could even finish his sentence, his counterpart quickly interrupts him. "Hah, you're not the only one swamped with other responsibilities... In any case, what say we cut the chatter and put your abilities to the test?"

With that, FnF Gohan's struggle for survival against himself begins. Needless to say, he gets beaten down while his stronger counterpart walks out nearly unscathed.

SSJ3 Gotenks vs. GT Trunks

SSJ Trunks gawks at SSJ3 Gotenks in disbelief as he sees how immature he and Goten were at one point. Not wanting to grow up to be like GT Trunks, Gotenks decides to completely erase him from existence. Before Trunks could even move a muscle, he finds himself skidding across the floor in pain. Wanting more of a challenge, SSJ3 Gotenks powers down to his base form and pummels the Super Saiyan out of Trunks. Knowing that he doesn't stand a chance against his younger self, Trunks throws in the towel and mopes around with regret as he wishes he had kept up with his training.

SSJ 23rd WMAT Goku vs Raditz

Raditz watches in astonishment as he watches his brother assume the form of the legendary Super Saiyan that he thought was a mere myth. Before the fight even begins, he immediately gets on his knees begins begging for forgiveness. Wanting to give his brother a second chance, Goku walks away without thinking twice . Burning with shame and anger, Raditz tries to sneak up on his brother with a punch from behind. To his dismay, his punch is easily caught, and he is promptly incinerated shortly after.

King Kai (using Kaioken) vs Nappa.

As he watches the evil Saiyan blow up his beloved car, King Kai realizes that he has no choice but to go for broke. He taps into his Kaioken and draws out a power that doubles what he is normally capable of. Knowing full well that the Kaioken is only accessible for short periods of time, the wise master makes quick work of the brutish Saiyan with one debilitating hit.
Helios518 wrote:1st form Freeza (Rof) vs Perfect Cell
1st form Freeza (Rof) vs Super Perfect Cell
1st form Freeza (Rof) vs Perfect Cell

Not realizing that Frieza's power has gone through some major changes, Cell mockingly looks down at the tyrant with a sinister smile. Deeming the biological android as a complete fool, Frieza instantly obliterates him with a mere fraction of his abilities.

1st form Freeza (Rof) vs Super Perfect Cell

Wanting to showcase his newly gained abilities, Frieza challenges Cell to a quick fight.

"Ah, so you're that biological creation they call Cell aren't you?" Frieza asks with curiosity.

Confused at how the tyrant caught wind of his identity, Cell demands an answer.

"What? How the hell would you even know such a thing? You perished years before I even emerged"

"Ahh, yes, quite true. However, hmhmhm... My loyal servants leveraged their brilliant technology to keep tabs on that Saiyan Goku.. and you my friend, also happened to have been on camera during that time." The tyrant responds while softly chuckling under his breath.

"Well if you've been spying on me, you should know full well just how powerful I am. And, if I may add, I have all your little dirty tricks at my disposal." Cell boasts with confidence.

"Hahaha.. Quite delusional are we? I've seen what you could do, but you haven't even caught a glimpse of my true abilities.. It's really not too late, you could decide to align yourself with me and together we can wreak havoc on that filthy Saiyan trash Goku." says Frieza while gritting his teeth with a piercing glare in his eyes.

Without giving it any thought, Cell smirks and instantly turns down the tyrant's offer.

"I think I'll save that pleasure for myself! And besides, I think your incompetence would only slow me down."

"So you say.. such a shame that you can't see the full extent of trouble you're currently in.." Frieza responds with a tone of mockery and disgust in his voice.

Not wanting to waste anymore time, Frieza instantly flies towards Cell. Once within a few feet, he jumps straight up and uses his tail to forcefully slam the biological android down to the floor. Barely able to move, Cell looks up in horror and begins demanding answers. "Just.. who.. are.." Before he could finish, Frieza destroys every last cell in his body with a simple ki blast.

"Poor fool.. did he really think that one could inherit the luxury of being a prodigy through mere biological means?" The tyrant thinks to himself with a serious look on his face.

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