Why doesn't Vegeta declare himself king?

DoomieDoomie911 · Post by **DoomieDoomie911** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:05 pm

Because he doesn't care. Also, as others have said, there is no longer a kingdom; there can be no king.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:13 pm

Vegeta stopped giving a shit about royalty once the Z-Fighters humbled him.

h0kuten · Post by **h0kuten** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:16 pm

Because Goku would keep his bitch in check.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:23 pm

ABED wrote:Insecurity, not pride.

I'm not going to reignite the discussion here, so use whatever interpretation you want to use, but no, pride is not just the good things and everything bad from it is something else, even if you want it to be.

Saiyan007 · Post by **Saiyan007** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:35 pm

A couple reasons why.

One their is more than likely some sort of corranation to become king and that would pose a problem since their race is basically extinct.

Two since their a warrior race their people would more than likely follow the strongest and Vegeta isn't the strongest.

Can you imagine the king as Vegeta with only the ability to turn into a SSJ and Goku a low class warrior with the power to turn into a SSJG that would cause all sorts of problems in the kingdom

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:09 pm

rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote:Insecurity, not pride.
I'm not going to reignite the discussion here, so use whatever interpretation you want to use, but no, pride is not just the good things and everything bad from it is something else, even if you want it to be.

This isn't interpretation, it's fact. The definition you use is a package deal. You can't lump opposing ideas like that together, it's confusing.

You can't just say an Olympic gold medalist is proud of his accomplishments and some guy who lost his house gambling because he was too insecure to admit defeat but continues to gamble because he's deluded into thinking he can win, are in any way similar.

How is Vegeta's situation in anyway an example of pride?

supercat · Post by **supercat** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:29 pm

As the others have said, it's probably a combination of him being indifferent to the matter, as well as never officially being crowned king through some sort of ceremony or another.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:38 pm

I still remember when some people we're going nuts on "Oh Vegeta is gonna kill Freeza and declare himself the King of the Saiyans".

Aside from not being coronated, I don't think he'd be proud to say he's now king of like 6 saiyans. I take his prince quote to really mean he was a prince back on his home world, rather than him acting like he'd be proud of being the prince of a handful of saiyans and still acting like he has a kingdom to dominate.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:01 pm

ABED wrote: This isn't interpretation, it's fact.

Yeah, sure, whatever you say.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:18 pm

rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote: This isn't interpretation, it's fact.
Yeah, sure, whatever you say.

I notice that you didn't include anything else I wrote. Fine, brush it off. But it's ridiculous that you think that lumping two unlike things together under a single concept is correct. You simply latched onto the first definition you found.

Vegetto-Sama · Post by **Vegetto-Sama** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:32 pm

Maybe he secretly wishes Daddy's still alive...

Avery · Post by **Avery** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:54 pm

Because "prince" sounds younger

But yeah...I don't think he'd declare himself a king of Goku plus some half breeds...and an almost nonexistent brother. Besides, he's been bragging about his Saiyajin no Ouji-ness for years. Why would he suddenly change his title? Nobody even calls him "Prince Vegeta" to begin with.

Btw, was he even intended to be a prince right from the get-go, or did Toriyama simply establish it later?

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:46 pm

Avery wrote:Because "prince" sounds younger

But yeah...I don't think he'd declare himself a king of Goku plus some half breeds...and an almost nonexistent brother. Besides, he's been bragging about his Saiyajin no Ouji-ness for years. Why would he suddenly change his title? Nobody even calls him "Prince Vegeta" to begin with.

Btw, was he even intended to be a prince right from the get-go, or did Toriyama simply establish it later?

I feel like it was something that was established later. The whole first arc he's in he's all about how "elite" he is, but it doesn't get brought up that he's the prince until the Freeza arc.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:27 am

ABED wrote:I notice that you didn't include anything else I wrote.

It's simply "focusing my answer". The rest of your post is just you stating again about how you view things, and even ignoring that pride, which according to what you have stated is good and equals to self worth and felling good about yourself an so on, has been historically viewed both in a positive fashion and in a negative fashion, which really should give a clue that it really isn't as simple as you make it out to be, and that your interpretation of the term is not as "factual" as you think, but it seems that it doesn't happen, and so there's no point in focusing on it. Like I said, whatever you say, no point in dwelling in that conversation, imo.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:42 pm

rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote:I notice that you didn't include anything else I wrote.
It's simply "focusing my answer". The rest of your post is just you stating again about how you view things, and even ignoring that pride, which according to what you have stated is good and equals to self worth and felling good about yourself an so on, has been historically viewed both in a positive fashion and in a negative fashion, which really should give a clue that it really isn't as simple as you make it out to be, and that your interpretation of the term is not as "factual" as you think, but it seems that it doesn't happen, and so there's no point in focusing on it. Like I said, whatever you say, no point in dwelling in that conversation, imo.

That doesn't clue me in because I don't view all sides as equally valid. Historically, most cultures have embraced bad ideas, including that humans shouldn't have a sense of self efficacy. It is very simple, if you create a concept, it's best not to lump opposing ideas together because it's confusing not just in communicating, but in thinking about things. How as someone suppposed to know what you mean by pride if it means both something positive and negative?

It makes ZERO sense to say Goku has positive pride and Vegeta has negative pride.

Regarding the question, I have given it some thought, but I dont' have a good answer, i simply find it interesting and a cool subtelty that Vegeta calls himself a prince.

funrush · Post by **funrush** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:57 pm

As I see it, he stays Prince because really there's not any Saiyans any more. When he declares he's the Prince of Saiyans he isn't speaking in the present sense, but of the role he had when the empire existed. Can't really move up to King when there's like 3 Saiyans left.

soulnova · Post by **soulnova** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:13 pm

It would be very funny if one of the requirements to be named King was to marry into the Saiyan race, you know, to keep the "elite pure blood" thing going. We know from Toriyama the Royals were technically the only ones who really cared about bloodlines. Would explain why he didn't changed his title even with Nappa and Raditz or after marrying Bulma and having Trunks. No Saiyan female available to name Queen!

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:49 pm

soulnova wrote:It would be very funny if one of the requirements to be named King was to marry into the Saiyan race, you know, to keep the "elite pure blood" thing going. We know from Toriyama the Royals were technically the only ones who really cared about bloodlines. Would explain why he didn't changed his title even with Nappa and Raditz or after marrying Bulma and having Trunks. No Saiyan female available to name Queen!

Use the dragonballs to wish that Bulma becomes a Saiyan. Problem solved

Eire · Post by **Eire** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:25 am

You mean turn her into busty Amazon who doesn't get visibly older...
Well I said that Vegeta isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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