The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Captain Space]

Darkseid is a multiversal god who almost caused the destruction of the DC universe when he wanted to step inside and simply exist. DBZ is toast.

Notice I did not debate or oppose that part.

[singsing]

Darkseid is a multiversal god who almost caused the destruction of the DC universe when he wanted to step inside and simply exist. DBZ is toast.

Notice I did not debate or oppose that part.

Akkuman's attack wouldn't tickle him.

[dbzfan7]

Darkseid vs. anyone

Can anyone in the DBZverse beat him?

If Goku can't even be even remotely close to Superman, what makes ya think anyone could compare to Darkseid?

Aaand people are already taking Screwattack's opinion as gospel. :/

It's not even gospel, neither do I need their opinion, it's still fact. Problem is there's hundreds of differently written Supermen it can go a bunch of different ways. But we have a thread for this, so let's not go into it any further.

[Captain Space]

Okay, sorry. Given the recency of their thing I thought it was just a result of that (and while I haven't put too much thought into the actual debate itself, I take issue with a lot of their points etc.), so I got a bit paranoid there.

[pacz360]

Okay, sorry. Given the recency of their thing I thought it was just a result of that (and while I haven't put too much thought into the actual debate itself, I take issue with a lot of their points etc.), so I got a bit paranoid there.

It's okay man i could understand that but next matchups
Anime yamcha vs android saga ssj vegeta
Gt goten vs perfect cell
Majuub vs gt ssj3 goku
Ssj4 vegeta vs super baby vegeta

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Gt goten vs perfect cell
Majuub vs gt ssj3 goku
Ssj4 vegeta vs super baby vegeta

-Based on power-scaling, Goten wins in base, as dumb as that is.
-Super Oob would beat Baby arc SS3 Goku, but lose to S17 arc SS Goku, as dumb as that is.
-SS4 Vegeta should be in the same league as surpassed limits SS4 Goku, he'd slaughter Vegeta-Baby, heck, he could win even as a Super Saiyan 1, as dumb as that is.

[supercat]

It's okay man i could understand that but next matchups
Anime yamcha vs android saga ssj vegeta
Gt goten vs perfect cell
Majuub vs gt ssj3 goku
Ssj4 vegeta vs super baby vegeta

Anime Yamcha vs Android Saga SSJ Vegeta

Not realizing that Olibu had simply let him win out of pity, Yamcha boldly prepares himself to challenge Vegeta. Wanting to go full force on the man who took Bulma's heart, the desert bandit begins viciously pummeling the Saiyan prince with his Wolf Fang Fist. To his greatest disappointment, an unconcerned Vegeta stands around taking each punch completely unfazed, with his face confidently sporting a cocky smile.

"Whoa, how the hell did someone like Android 18 even beat a guy like this!" Yamcha exclaims out of utter shock and disbelief, as he backs out in fear.

Angered by the remark, Vegeta decks Yamcha in the face and sends him flying back several feet.

GT Goten vs Perfect Cell

GT Goten stands around in horror and begins wishing that he had taken his father's advice on continuing his training. Despite being overwhelmed by fear, he goes SSJ in hopes of crushing the biological android that his brother had once destroyed. Deeming the young fighter as a good substitute for Gohan, Cell prepares himself for combat. After the two go at it for a bit, the villain decides that he is going to subject the brother of the brat responsible for his defeat to the same degree of pain and humiliation that he was once forced to endure. Still traumatized by that detestable Father Son Kamehameha, Cell angrily taps into his Super Perfect Form. With a sinister grin on his face, he proceeds to destroy the awe-struck Goten in a matter of seconds.

Majuub vs GT SSJ3 Goku

Amazed at his student's sudden increase in power, Goku decides that a quick sparring match would be a great measuring stick to simultaneously gauge both of their abilities. With a slight advantage in power, Uub manages to subdue his master after a long and dragged out battle. Exhausted, but also filled with contentment, Goku powers back down to base, and proudly congratulates his student.

SSJ4 Vegeta vs Super Baby Vegeta

Vegeta glares at his parasite infested counterpart with disgust, determined to rightfully claim his spot as the top version of himself. After a few minutes of trading blows back and forth, SSJ4 Vegeta unleashes the full extent of his abilities and frees his counterpart of the evil Tuffle's control.

[Kaboom]

baby broly vs nappa (saiyan saga) (I know broly's power level is way higher being at 10.000 but since he is a baby he has no clue how to fight)
bardock vs kid vegeta ( both from bardock father of goku special)
whis vs beerus, ssjg goku and all others from the gang which where in bog like gohan, vegeta, piccolo, buu,etc.

— You said it yourself; baby Broli's power level is more than twice what Nappa's got, but he's... a baby. He has no ability to fight. Nappa squashes him.
— Vegeta said he surpassed his father "as a kid," but that doesn't necessarily mean "before he was killed and Planet Vegeta was destroyed." Li'l Vegeta's only 5 years old in the Bardock special, so I don't think he's quite approaching 10,000 like Bardock yet, nor is he anywhere near as skilled and experienced a fighter. Bardock wins.
— Whis has shown amazing fighting ability when sparring with Goku and Vegeta in Resurrection F. He would dismantle Beerus and Goku almost every bit as easily, and of course the rest of the Earth gang are a complete non-factor. Whis emerges victorious, casually dusts himself off, and hums to himself as he walks away.

Whis vs Beerus & Golden Freeza (No Energy Drain) & Goku & Vegeta SSJG SS & Goku SSJG (BoG) & Vegetao Ssj3 (BoG)

They MIGHT land a blow or two on Whis, but he's still going to win. Am I the only one who's seen his sparring scene in RF and its manga, and learned just how incredible his ability to evade is? He's going to pick them off one at a time while casually dodging everything they throw at him.

Kuririn and Yajirobe vs Yamcha, Chiaotzu(No psychic powers) and Kame Sennin - At their power when Raditz arrived
Piccolo(Boo Arc) and Kaioshin(No psychic powers) vs Goku (Cell Games)
Piccolo Daimao vs Meruem

— My gut tells me that Kuririn and Yajirobe both have enough of a power advantage to take this.
— Goku's got quite a large power advantage over Piccolo, and a moderate edge in power but a large one in skill over Kaioshin. They get a few hits in but Goku wins this fight.
— I don't know much about Hunter X Hunter and can't be bothered to look things up right now, but I'm willing to bet even its strongest characters aren't on a planet-wrecking level like Cell is.

Raditz vs Every Creepypasta Character on Earth.
ROF Gohan vs DBGT Gohan
SSJ3 Gotenks vs. GT Trunks
SSJ Goku (M7) SSJ Goku (M8)
SSJ 23rd WMAT Goku vs Raditz
King Kai (using Kaioken) vs Nappa.
Kid Goku (Beginning Of Series) vs Call Of Duty universe

— Uh... Raditz, I guess?
— Gohan in Resurrection F seems to have had his Ultimate power-up entirely stripped away from him and is barely still capable of Super Saiyan. GT Gohan seems to still have his Ultimate power-up AND Super Saiyan on top of it. The winner is clear.
— The fight never happens because Gotenks vanishes from existence as soon as he's in the proximity of a GT character.
— In my book, Movie 7 Goku is his Androids-arc self while Movie 8 Goku is a moderately less powerful version of his Cell Games self. The latter smacks down his past self with one blow.
— Assuming Goku at the 23rd Budokai had a PL of at least 300 or so, then with Super Saiyan making him 50x stronger he could go mano-a-mano with even Vegeta. Raditz gets the tar beaten out of him, probably even if he uses Oozaru.
— Kaio is somewhat weaker than Nappa (3,500 VS 4,000-4,500) and not much of a fighter, but using the Kaio-Ken may well let him tip the scales. I'll say this is a 50/50 toss-up.
— Uh... pretty sure there are some pretty crazy weapons in modern Call of Doody games that could well annihilate Goku at that point. Goku from later on against Piccolo or something may be a different story.

1st form Freeza (Rof) Gauntlet

My somewhat arbitrary placement for this form of Freeza is about on-par with SS3 Goku from the Boo arc. So he could wipe out Fat Boo and beat SS3 Goku by outlasting him... but I think Pure Boo's craziness and unpredictability would be a bit too much for him. He'd just plain be no match in strength for Evil Boo without transforming further either way.

-Mr. Satan vs. Bruce Lee
-Goku (EoZ) vs. Bruce Lee: Based on skill only.
-SSJ4 Gogeta vs. SSJG Goku (round 1: normal conditions, round 2: no fusion/SSJG time limit for either) (this one may have been asked before but I forgot; sorry if so)

— Bruce Lee lays a smack-down on Mr. Satan, who's almost honored by it.
— Bruce Lee again. Respect the master.
— Again, we have NO reliable way to judge the power of GT characters against the new godly characters.

Super Saiyan Vegeta (without Grade 2) vs. 2nd form Cell

— I think once Cell powers up, he'd be evenly-matched with Super Saiyan Vegeta. The fight could go either way.

1. SSJ Goten (Pre) vs. Piccolo
2. SSJ Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
3. SSJ Goten (Post) vs. Piccolo
4. SSJ Trunks (Post) vs. Piccolo

There was no noteworthy difference in the individual kids' powers ever pointed out as a result of their RoSaT training, so I'll assume there wasn't much of a difference, and the improvement was mostly limited to Gotenks. I think the kids as Super Saiyans are more or less on Piccolo's level of strength, and if they teamed up they could probably take him down. BUT in a one-on-one fight, his vastly superior level of skill and experience lets him smack down either one with ease.

5. SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks (Pre) vs. SSJ Gohan
6. SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks (Post) vs. SSJ Gohan
7. SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks (Post) vs. SSJ Vegeta (Non- Majin)
8. SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks (Post) vs. SSJ Goku

The kids can get in a few good hits on Gohan, mostly due to his fighting skills being rusty. But if he gets serious and stops holding back, he's so much stronger that he can take them both down without much trouble. It's even easier for Vegeta and Goku to do the same.

9. SSJ2 Goten vs. SSJ Goku
10. SSJ3 Goten vs. SSJ Goku

Doubling his strength through Super Saiyan 2 lets Goten start to close in on his dad's power and give him a good fight for a bit, but Goku's still got the edge in every way and eventually wins. Super Saiyan 3, however, makes mini-Goku much stronger, and Goku's only and very slim hope is to remain on the defensive until Super Saiyan 3's energy drain wins the fight for him.

Darkseid vs. anyone
Can anyone in the DBZverse beat him?

Vegetto. Next!

Anime yamcha vs android saga ssj vegeta
GT Goten vs perfect cell
Super Uub vs gt ssj3 goku
Ssj4 vegeta vs super baby vegeta

— Filler Yamcha is only effective against other filler characters. Vegeta incinerates him.
— F*ck "GT Logic," there's no way Goten slacked off for his entire teenager and adult life thus far yet is still a match for Perfect Cell at any level.
— Goku wins by virtue of being Goku.
— I'm betting Vegeta. The Baby arc generally showed that Super Saiyan 4 was a huge power-up superior to almost anything Baby could do.

[Captain Space]

— Again, we have NO reliable way to judge the power of GT characters against the new godly characters.

I'd say that we can at least with some vague level of confidence say that Beerus can take anything up to SSJ4 level pretty easily, given relative comparisons to Vegetto...but in this specific instance of what I asked, SSJ4 Gogeta is so insanely beyond that (as is the new god stuff) it's impossible to say. So yeah, fair enough.

(Sorry if you already countered this point; my memory as usual sucks.)

[LightBing]

Future Trunks and Vegeta (Before Rosat) vs Piccolo (Post Kami Assimilation)

Future Kid Trunks vs Recoome

Bojack vs SSJ Vegeta (Super)

[Captain Space]

Future Trunks and Vegeta (Before Rosat) vs Piccolo (Post Kami Assimilation)

Future Kid Trunks vs Recoome

Bojack vs SSJ Vegeta (Super)

Actually hard for me to call. Vegeta couldn't have been that much weaker than the equal-to-17 Piccolo...but Trunks was significantly weaker and probably not that much help here...but the gap between Vegeta and Piccolo couldn't have been too much (given Vegeta was almost equal or equal with 18)...but Piccolo's power really shook up Vegeta...but pride could explain that...but...uh...I don't know.

Gohan said Trunks wasn't too far off surpassing him, so Trunks.

Vegeta, no question. Bojack was hardly SP Cell.

[supercat]

Future Trunks and Vegeta (Before Rosat) vs Piccolo (Post Kami Assimilation)

Future Kid Trunks vs Recoome

Bojack vs SSJ Vegeta (Super)

Future Trunks and Vegeta (Before Rosat) vs Piccolo (Post Kami Assimilation)

Piccolo decides to test his newly gained power out on Trunks and Vegeta before taking on the overwhelming power of Androids 17 and 18.

"Vegeta, what say you take that Super Saiyan power of yours and come at me full force. I'm in the mood for a little sparring.." Piccolo boldly asserts with a piercing glare in his eyes.

Startled by the request, Vegeta gawks in disbelief for a second, but quickly transitions the seriousness of his face into a smirk followed by a light chuckle.

"Haha.. so you add on that old fool's power onto your own, and you suddenly have what it takes to fight on par with me." he says with a sarcastic tone that would almost imply that Piccolo was quite delusional.

"Hm.. I guess there's only one way to find out." Piccolo responds with a snicker as he clenches his fist and holds them next to his waist. "Besides, I thought you would have reveled at the prospect of getting the chance to fight me." He adds on with a cocky smirk of his own.

"This would hardly be considered a fight, but call it what you wish. In a moment you'll have to devour one of those ridiculous Senzu Beans." Vegeta mockingly responds.

Right then, Trunks shows up in the middle of the quarrel, and intervenes.

"Dad, Piccolo, there's no time for this.. if the two of you sustain injuries no..." before he could finish an annoyed Vegeta rudely interrupts with a grimace.

"Will you shut the hell up and mind your own damn business? No one asked for your input.. And besides, the only one who's going to be sustaining injuries here is that Namekian." he adds on as his grimace reverts back into a grin.

"Actually Trunks, I think it's best you jump in have your father's back here. I could use the extra challenge anyway." Piccolo adds with his voice filled with absolute confidence as he puts one hand on his head piece, and the other on his cape, preparing to free himself of his weights.

"Well well well.. You really are pushing it today now aren't you?" Vegeta remarks with sarcasm and subtle traces of disgust emanating from his voice.

Although feeling exceptionally hesitant to get into a brawl with an ally during a time of crisis, Trunks reluctantly agrees in hopes of appeasing his father's obsessive desire. "Well I suppose it's fine, as long as we stop before it gets out of hand." he remarks as his frown deepens the crinkles formed on his forehead.

All three fighters get into their fighting stances, and prepare themselves for combat. Knowing that his opponents won't be able to inflict any serious damage on him, Piccolo permits them to make the first move. Deeming the Namekian as an arrogant fool, Vegeta charges in as a Super Saiyan, with Trunks closely behind him. Once within range, the father son duo each unleash a powerful combo of various moves where they each rapidly alternate their punches with kicks while making sure they put enough force behind each blow. To their dismay, each attack is casually blocked or maneuvered around, and Piccolo vanishes into thin air as he dodges Vegeta's last punch.

"What?!" Vegeta yells out in utter annoyance. "How the hell is something like this even possible?" He angrily demands with his body tense and his face burning with fury.

"I'll tell you." Piccolo responds from an unknown location. Caught by surprise, Vegeta begins frantically looking side to side, with his fists clenched tightly in a loose fighting stance. "Where the hell are you Namekian?!" he asks while trying to mask the tremble of frustration in his voice.

Meanwhile, Trunks begins visually scanning his surroundings in hopes of finding Piccolo.

"Have you seen him boy??" Vegeta aggressively asks, as he continues to turn his head side to side.

"N..no.., I haven't." Trunks nervously responds.

"Damn..completely useless.." Vegeta mumbles to himself while gritting his teeth.

Right as he is about to make another remark, he is pelted with a devastating punch to the face which sends him skidding across the rough terrain. Before Trunks could even figure out what had happened, he begins gagging for air as he finds a fist crammed into his abdomen. The powerful punch brings the young Saiyan to his knees, as his yellow spiky hair resumes its original color of purple.

"Well, that didn't take long.." Piccolo mutters as he begins walking towards Vegeta. He then picks up his Saiyan ally by the collar of his armor, and lifts him up high enough to make eye contact. "Hm, looks like you were right after all." Piccolo says with a smirk as he pulls Vegeta's face closer to his own. "That wasn't much of a fight after all." He adds as he gently tosses Vegeta's body onto the floor. "Go take one of those Senzu Beans, and get some training in.. because at this rate, you'll only manage to get yourself killed."

Future Kid Trunks vs Recoome

While testing some of the features on his mother's time machine, Future Trunks accidentally travels back to an unknown time to an unrecognizable location that hardly resembles any place that he's seen on Earth. As he steps out of the time machine to explore, he flinches in surprise as he senses a pretty high power level slowly plummeting. Thinking that it's probably something worth looking into, he puts his time machine back into its capsule and flies over to where he sensed the drop in power. He couldn't believe his eyes, as he sees none other than his own father, standing on the battlefield wearing a look of distress and despair, as a fighter at least twice his size taunts him. Within a second he witnesses his father takes a lethal knee to the chin that sends him flying back. Without thinking twice, Trunks immediately jumps in and swiftly catches him in his arms.

"What?! Who the hell are you?!" Vegeta asks overwhelmed by confusion as he rushes out of his son's arms."

Knowing full well what the consequences of disclosing his identity are, Trunks tries his best not to expose too much information. "There's no time to explain.." he says as he turns his attention towards Recoome while getting into his fighting stance.

"Say! Who dragged in the mini Vegeta eh? Are you Vegeta's boy?!" Recoome mockingly asks as his face scrunches up and displays a hideous grin.

"What? No.." Trunks responds with his voice slightly trembling with anxiety.

"Well you sure as hell look like him! hahaha!" says Recoome as he bursts out into an uncontrollable bout of laughter.

Realizing that he needs to end this quick, Trunks immediately blitzes the brutish member of the Ginyu Force with a deadly punch to the abdomen, promptly killing him.

Bojack vs SSJ Vegeta (Super)

Vegeta casually incinerates the space pirate in a matter of seconds.

[Lord Beerus]

Future Trunks and Vegeta (Before Rosat) vs Piccolo (Post Kami Assimilation)

Future Kid Trunks vs Recoome

Bojack vs SSJ Vegeta (Super)

- Piccolo. He was in a whole new league compared to the Saiyans following fusing with Kami before they went in the ROSAT.
- Kid Trunks kicks Recoome's ass.
- SSJ Vegeta, easily.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

BOZ Tenshinhan vs. Mr. Popo

[LightBing]

BOZ Tenshinhan vs. Mr. Popo

In terms of power I have them dead even. Unfortunately for Tenshinhan he would be schooled, the gap in ki control is abysmal which makes for a one-sided beatdown. Tien could try to fire a kikoho ,but I believe Mr Popo would recognize the danger.

[h0kuten]

EOZ Piccolo vs Kid Gohan Ssj (Cell Games)

EOZ Goku Ssj3 vs Super Vegetto (Buu)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

EOZ Piccolo vs Kid Gohan Ssj (Cell Games)

EOZ Goku Ssj3 vs Super Vegetto (Buu)

-Piccolo loses to CG FPSS Gohan. I place him on par with a Cell Junior at the End of Z.

-Taking into account the new movies, Goku obviously slaughters Vegetto. Going by the manga only and going with the Base Goku > Good Boo implications, Goku gets slaughtered. I'd place him around post-RoSaT Super Saiyan Gotenks.

[h0kuten]

Or Gotenks /w Fan Speculation vs Deathbattle Superman vs Vineforce Flash

[singsing]

Or Gotenks /w Fan Speculation vs Deathbattle Superman vs Vineforce Flash

N O L I M I T S

Superman 4chan/10

[ZombieVito]

BOZ Tenshinhan vs. Mr. Popo

Mister Popo made Goku (Who had a BP of 260) look like a fool. Popo one shots Tenshinhan.

EOZ Piccolo vs Kid Gohan Ssj (Cell Games)

EOZ Goku Ssj3 vs Super Vegetto (Buu)

Piccolo beats Gohan with mild difficulty.
Base Goku one shots since he has his God powers.

Or Gotenks /w Fan Speculation vs Deathbattle Superman vs Vineforce Flash

Superman is stupidity incarnated. He says one word and Gotenks and Flash disintegrates.