Anyone else not give a shit about the canon?

[MarCas92]

Canonicity debates and conversations always irk me. There is no established canon. Simple as that. Two events don't match up? Different timelines or univereses or dimensions or realities or whatever. Take your pick.

Whoever seriously believes that there is a canon, deserves to be shot out of a cannon while I take a picture of it on my Canon and put it next to my Cannon DVD's.

[Avery]

Does any other fanbase have as much canonicity issues as the DB fanbase do...?
Even Toriyama doesn't care about canon, especially nowadays... So why should I?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Similarly to Herms, I like the series' plot and the resulting timeline. So I do wish there was a canon and that all the stories branched off from it properly, but that's not how things work in this franchise. So do I care about the "canon"? Not really. I accept the combined idea that Universe 7 is home to al of Goku's adventures (prior to Super's Universe 6 Arc) and that everything takes places somewhere in an alternate timeline (as per DBO and DBXV). However, I will argue continuity every now and then.

[voltlunok]

Sign me up for the group who cares nothing for canon and thinks it's a dumb topic. It's like VegettoEX said, it's fun to connect the dots but when every question is usually met with "That's not canon." it gets annoying. I think everyone should honestly stop caring about the canon or else things are gonna get REALLY confusing down the road.

[IDreamtIWasABee]

Does any other fanbase have as much canonicity issues as the DB fanbase do...?

Most are much worse.

[EXBadguy]

At first I did, now I don't. For me, GT will always be the sequel after EoZ, no matter how bad half of it is. The only things I don't somewhat consider cannon are the movies, especially the last two.

And yes, I misspelled the word on purpose.

EDIT: Screw it, I also don't care about the movies being canon, Broly, Gogeta, Garlic, and all the villains are just part of the story. But I really hate it when some folks consider BoG and FnF cannon, JUST because Toriyama made them.

[Doctor.]

At first I did, now I don't. For me, GT will always be the sequel after EoZ, no matter how bad half of it is. The only things I don't somewhat consider cannon are the movies, especially the last two.

And yes, I misspelled the word on purpose.

EDIT: Screw it, I also don't care about the movies being canon, Broly, Gogeta, Garlic, and all the villains are just part of the story. But I really hate it when some folks consider BoG and FnF cannon, JUST because Toriyama made them.

What about Super?

[Analytical Delusion]

Didn't use to, but do a ton now. It's impossible for me personally to enjoy elements of the story that didn't originate from Toriyama, since the DB world is his creation/vision.

It might seem a fool's errand trying to piece everything together, but anything else wouldn't seem right to me.

[EXBadguy]

At first I did, now I don't. For me, GT will always be the sequel after EoZ, no matter how bad half of it is. The only things I don't somewhat consider cannon are the movies, especially the last two.

And yes, I misspelled the word on purpose.

EDIT: Screw it, I also don't care about the movies being canon, Broly, Gogeta, Garlic, and all the villains are just part of the story. But I really hate it when some folks consider BoG and FnF cannon, JUST because Toriyama made them.

What about Super?

I haven't watch/read Super yet. I'm waiting for a word of mouth and reception after 4-5 months then I'll decide if I wanna catch up, so I can't comment on it, but even with that, I still don't care about it being cannon.

[Theophrastus]

I give a shit about canon insofar as it influences what can be expected in the future.

Toriyama is writing the broad strokes of the plots now, and clearly doesn't give much of a damn about anything he didn't write, so that's the de facto canon now and expectations/speculation for any future stories should keep that in mind (at least until such time as Toriyama gets bored of the series and goes hands-off again).

Something not being written by Toriyama doesn't make that thing inherently bad, but I would have no expectations of that thing ever mattering for the purposes of future works at this point.

[Son Gohan 1995]

Yep, don't care about what's canon and what's not canon.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But I really hate it when some folks consider BoG and FnF cannon, JUST because Toriyama made them.

For me, it's not just because of that, we have seen anime movies written by manga authors (like One Piece Film Z), yet it's impossible for the stories to fit in the manga.

Toriyama ties-in the new movies with his original story (the manga) in his new interviews & new manga (Jaco), and he also said around 10 years ago that he would like to write stories that even though they aren't in the original manga, they happened. So far, BoG & FnF seemed to be canon in his mind. Super will change them, but they will be adapted in story arcs, and he will write more new stories after that.

[ekrolo2]

Does any other fanbase have as much canonicity issues as the DB fanbase do...?
Even Toriyama doesn't care about canon, especially nowadays... So why should I?

Comics, ESPECIALLY X-Men.

[Kamiccolo9]

Does any other fanbase have as much canonicity issues as the DB fanbase do...?
Even Toriyama doesn't care about canon, especially nowadays... So why should I?

Comics, ESPECIALLY X-Men.

Marvel continuity is relatively simple. Everything occurs in one of several universes, with Earth 616 being the most well known of these universes. Any time a new dimension or parallel world is discovered, it is given a label, and added onto the list.

X-Men isn't anything special in this regard, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

[PolatGuy92]

I think the only thing that you really should call *canon* is the manga since it's the true story that AT has written. The rest outside of the manga so other media like the animes: Dragon Ball, Z, Super, GT, Neko majin, minus and all the movies, ova's, games like Hero and xenoverse are all or based of the manga or they are inspired from them. I think these guys said it really well about canon you should definitely watch this video about the way they see it and they also say some interesting things about Akira Toriyama's involvement of Super.

For me I don't care anymore about what's canon or not, but for example I consider GT as a story that happen in a atlernate timeline or a different universe, same goes for the movies and eventually it's up to you how you view it about what's canon or not. I already see many people here posting about it and having different opinions about canon so just go with your own feelings and think what's the best for you because in the end it doesn't matter that much anymore haha

[dougo13]

Star Wars is like that. The only things Disney considers canon are the films and TV series and anything since acquiring the company in April of last year. So, the current Kanaan comic is canon while the newspaper strip comics, Marvel comics, Dark Horse comics, all the paperbacks (except perhaps the original from December 1976) and anything else that had anything to do with Star Wars is not. This disappointed a lot of people world wide but that's that...

[Caulifor]

EDIT: Sorry, wrong thread

[Zillamon51]

DB is a franchise originally made for children, years ago, half a world away. I enjoy it for the action, fantasy, and quirky characters. But it was very obviously made up on the fly. Therefore, over-analyzing canon / continuity, power levels, inconsistencies in the fictional world, out whatever is a waste of time and a fool's errand. If Toriyama didn't care, why should anyone else? Cataloging the manga like the Bible or something is the height of fanboy excess. Like MST3K says, "Repeat to yourself, It's just a show, I should really just relax."

[ekrolo2]

Does any other fanbase have as much canonicity issues as the DB fanbase do...?
Even Toriyama doesn't care about canon, especially nowadays... So why should I?

Comics, ESPECIALLY X-Men.

Marvel continuity is relatively simple. Everything occurs in one of several universes, with Earth 616 being the most well known of these universes. Any time a new dimension or parallel world is discovered, it is given a label, and added onto the list.

X-Men isn't anything special in this regard, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

X-Men is completely broken from the sheer amount of time travel & alternate universe hoping that goes on in it, not to mention insane retconing stuff into peoples backstories (like Wolverine). Seriously, Cable is the son of Cyclops and Madelyne Pryor who's the clone of Jean Grey who got sent into a post apocalyptic future & alternate timeline where he was raised by a nun and fought Apocalypse. Or how about Rachel Summers, another daughter of Cyclops except the actual Jean Grey's her mom who happens to inhabit the main timeline, universe thing. Or how about Mystique who's the mother of Nightcrawler, adoptive mother of Rogue, two alternate time line & universe children belonging to Xavier and Wolverine and a powerless son from Sabretooth.

Its like the worlds most ass backwards soap opera, everyone is someone elses son, daughter or 9th step cousin from an alternate universe that's just like Age of Apocalypse except we won't conveniently call it that. If I had any say, I'd annihilate all of 616 and reboot it from scratch just to cull all the X-Men insanity from existence.

[Cipher]

I can go for a good continuity discussion in terms of what fits best together, but the idea of a single "canon" has never interested me, and with the amount of ancillary material purporting to go in the main timeline we've gotten recently, with varying levels of involvement from Toriyama himself, it's now less relevant than ever. Just enjoy what you're watching or reading. It's not like everything's a massively tangled web, either; there are just multiple options for what happens on either side of the main story.

Off-topic re: X-Men: You can read a solid few decades of it and its various spin-offs (X-Factor, etc.) with everything holding together remarkably well. The increasingly bizarre relationship/history additions are artifacts of trying to keep a single universe of superhero serials going for six decades, having to reset to certain status-quos in-story, etc. It's going to create some weird shit and I don't see a way around that. That's why I prefer a reboot-based model for Western superhero books. Wipe that history and tell a new story ever twenty years or so.