Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Dbzfan94]

Stop double posting.

Second time in a matter of minutes somebody complaints about it.

I guess it's time to refrain from posting at all, I don't feel I'm very welcome here.

That's the second time I've seen you say this. Not to mini-mod, but you're acting very immature if every time someone has a minor complaint you want to stop posting altogether. One of the rules is to just not double post. You can just edit old posts or just wait for others to reply to add more things.

[VegettoEX]

Agreed. You've already been asked several times by moderators to not double-post. Collect your thoughts before making them. You're also able to quote multiple people in a single post, so there is no technical limitation here.

Your response is indeed immature and is not in line with what we expect of our members.

[MaGyunia]

I haven't double posted a single time, nor do I intend to, ever since I was asked by the moderators to avoid doing so.

The reaction you're referring to on my part was in a context of a triple-sided attack on my way of posting, beyond the mere fact of double-posting, but criticizing the length of my posts, which was acknowledged (and is indeed in the Forum Rules as well) by the moderators themselves as something to be commended and encouraged, not subject to attacks. After the episode I said I would refrain from double-posting and I've been doing so ever since then, and will continue to do so. Perhaps you missed the episode in the other thread, your answer came a bit late and out of place, as the matter had been solved for a number of days now.

[shinmaru]

Freeza arc:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
2 - Freeza 100%
3 - Freeza 70%
4 - Freeza 50%
5 - Goku Kaio-Ken x20 (against Freeza)

SSJGoku isn't stronger than 100% Freeza, full power SSJ Goku is.

Spoiler:

[dbgtFO]

Freeza arc:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
2 - Freeza 100%
3 - Freeza 70%
4 - Freeza 50%
5 - Goku Kaio-Ken x20 (against Freeza)

SSJGoku isn't stronger than 100% Freeza, full power SSJ Goku is.

Spoiler:

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What do you mean? Is this like that argument, where it's claimed that SS Goku didn't actually surpass Freeza's true 100% power on Namek, but just his currently available max and only did so much later?

Simplified:

SSFP Goku: 20
100% Freeza(true max): 15
SS Goku(1st transformation): 5
100% Freeza(max after genkidama): 4

[Hugo Boss]

Did Vegeta say a battle power of 150,000 was useless in the DBS Episode #4 or it was a sub error? I don't speak Japanese, but I could say he was instead talking about the 150G training.

[Saiyan007]

Beerus is pretty strong also i recall Old kai said the same thing at the end of ep 3

[Bullza]

Did Vegeta say a battle power of 150,000 was useless in the DBS Episode #4 or it was a sub error? I don't speak Japanese, but I could say he was instead talking about the 150G training.

In the sub I watched he said that 150G was good for nothing.

[Sora Saiyan]

So Beerus can destroy stars the size of VY Canis Majoris.. Not really surprised but it's cool to know he can do that sorta stuff. I'll need to see/hear more before I say he's galaxy level+.

[MaGyunia]

Did Vegeta say a battle power of 150,000 was useless in the DBS Episode #4 or it was a sub error? I don't speak Japanese, but I could say he was instead talking about the 150G training.

He said "yaku go jiu go-bai jyuroku mo" etc., etc., ("the 150x gravity", or "gravity multiplied by 150"). If it were 150.000, it would be "jiu go man", literally "fifteen ten-thousands", as "man" means 10.000 ("man" = 10.000, "sen" = 1.000, "yaku" = 100", "jiu" = 10). He's referring to the 150G gravity pull, basically stating that it's no longer fitting for training someone at his stage, as he can barely feel it at this point. Again, no attention should be paid to fansubs, especially hastily-made ones. Their creators lack the knowledge to understand what they're talking about and result is disastrous.

There are plenty of mistakes in fansubs and badly-translated lines to them, sometimes changing the entire meaning of a particular sentence altogether, to the point where it doesn't even make sense and/or confuses fans who really can't make out any Japanese.

The process of fansubbing basically consists of understand bits and pieces of what's being said and then making up whatever they believe they're saying, most of the times coming up with ridiculously wrong meanings (sometimes, or most of the times, even in incorrect English, further undermining their credibility), which just demonstrates their lack of in-depth knowledge of what's going on and Dragonball in general.

[Hugo Boss]

Thank you very much for the in-depth explanation! I should try some Japanese lessons. So, Vegeta should start training at 300G or something along those lines. I thought he was already going into that way before fighting the androids, but okay. Also, interesting to see that Beerus can destroy anything in the Universe.

[pacz360]

I really wonder what beerus is really capable of at full power given the statements we been getting hopefully in super they help backing up those said statements

[Hugo Boss]

I was thinking about something odd. Didn't Beerus destroy half a planet with his fingernail? He used the same move against an exausted Vegeta to knock him out in Battle of Gods. Could it mean that to knock out Vegeta you need the force to destroy half a planet?

[Saiyan007]

I was thinking about something odd. Didn't Beerus destroy half a planet with his fingernail? He used the same move against an exausted Vegeta to knock him out in Battle of Gods. Could it mean that to knock out Vegeta you need the force to destroy half a planet?

you're going to need more force than that since Saiyan Saga Vegeta can survive planet destroying attacks

[pacz360]

I was thinking about something odd. Didn't Beerus destroy half a planet with his fingernail? He used the same move against an exausted Vegeta to knock him out in Battle of Gods. Could it mean that to knock out Vegeta you need the force to destroy half a planet?

you're going to need more force than that since Saiyan Saga Vegeta can survive planet destroying attacks

Pretty much this^ then you got freeza tanking one while cut in half with little ki and his ass before he started training was fodder to anyone in the android/cell saga and buu saga.

[Bullza]

I wonder if they'll keep the line about Beerus being able to destroy a Solar System in an instant or if they'll upgrade it to a Galaxy. That was what was said in the trailer but then they downplayed it for some reason.

It made more sense for them to say Galaxy considering Cell was already supposed to be able to destroy the Solar System. Though not in an instant.

[Sora Saiyan]

Sonething I just noticed posted elsewhere mentioned that Whis didn't tap his staff like he usually does when he flies super fast. I think it was episode 3 when he flies off but doesn't rap his staff, but I'm not entirely sure. It's the part where he says his flight is the fastest in the universe, or something of that effect.
So would this be Whis true speed or maybe he doesn't need to tap his staff?
I actually have no clue as every other time, if I'm remembering right, he taps his staff prior to flying even whilst in space. It appears to be his staff flight with the size of his flight aura, but after Beerus's MFTL feat it's not impossible it could be his normal flight speed.
Sorry if this has been posted already.

[Saiyan007]

You're right because Whis stops after beerus says "Can't you fly any faster"

Whis clearly did not like that comment and stops to say "I am the fastest in the universe, are you aware?

Notice how beerus didn't say can you make that thing(staff) go any faster? After beerus statement Whis doesn't do any special takeoff or have an unusual aura around him or taps anything he simply flies off.

Which would mean Whis can travel intergalactic distances with or without his staff ( although Beerus already showed MFTL feats in DB Super ep 2) this episode just confirmed it not too mention even if the staff did all the work Whis would still have FTL reactions since he can see things while moving FTL.

In DB SUPER ep 3 he told Beerus he would keep a look out for something (I forgot what exactly ) while they were traveling towards king kai's planet.

Also Beerus in the manga has a similar feat when he sees earth while moving at high speeds

[Hugo Boss]

I was thinking about something odd. Didn't Beerus destroy half a planet with his fingernail? He used the same move against an exausted Vegeta to knock him out in Battle of Gods. Could it mean that to knock out Vegeta you need the force to destroy half a planet?

you're going to need more force than that since Saiyan Saga Vegeta can survive planet destroying attacks

Pretty much this^ then you got freeza tanking one while cut in half with little ki and his ass before he started training was fodder to anyone in the android/cell saga and buu saga.

I should have specified that was a physical attack. We don't commonly see Dragon Ball characters destroying planets with their bare hands.

[Hellspawn28]

I was thinking about something odd. Didn't Beerus destroy half a planet with his fingernail? He used the same move against an exausted Vegeta to knock him out in Battle of Gods. Could it mean that to knock out Vegeta you need the force to destroy half a planet?

you're going to need more force than that since Saiyan Saga Vegeta can survive planet destroying attacks

If Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga can survive his attack. His attack failed, so we have no idea on how powerful his attack would be. He was likely not going to destroy the Earth completely. Most likely destroy the core and quickly leave.