How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
I know for Goku the answer was God making it so he could never grow his back, thus he could restore the moon. However for Vegeta & Gohan, they never come back after some time. Goten and Trunks were the tailless prodigies so that was explained. I believe the theory was that after SSJ was obtained, they were no longer needed, or something along those lines. I've heard rumours that's the legitimate answer, but I'm unsure if that's just the fanon answer.
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Darkprince410
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Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
According to Toriyama, it was a situation of them becoming strong enough that the tails simply got in the way, and their bodies naturally didn't find the tails necessary anymore.
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flashback0180
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Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
toriyama forgot. The tails only purpose was for goku to resemble the monkey king. Which was Pointless after db, in sayien arc the tails only purpose was to relate to aliens and transformation. Which was achieved by ssj transformation.
The tail lost its purpose.
The tail lost its purpose.
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Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
There have been many opportunities for those that have had their tails removed to be restored via senzu beans, being healed by Dende or from being resurrected. The fact that they haven't tends to suggest they'd already their purpose and weren't deemed necessary for future arcs or that Toriyama simply forgot.
Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
Makes a lot of sense, given how Saiyan physiology is likely designed to select traits that are potentially the most battle efficient. Keeping things in-universe always makes it more fun anyway!
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Darkprince410
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Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
He didn't "forget", as he still had tails being mentioned all the way up to the early Cell Saga. Out of universe, Toriyama found it a nuisance to draw Goku's tail, so whenever it was possible, he looked for a means of him losing it, and thus likely the same could be said for Vegeta and Gohan.flashback0180 wrote:toriyama forgot. The tails only purpose was for goku to resemble the monkey king. Which was Pointless after db, in sayien arc the tails only purpose was to relate to aliens and transformation. Which was achieved by ssj transformation.
The tail lost its purpose.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... -toriyama/
In-universe, they became so strong that their bodies came to see them as unnecessary appendages, so they just stopped growing back (in the case of Vegeta and Gohan).Is it true that Goku’s tail was a nuisance?!
It’s true. (laughs) Goku was originally an actual monkey in the initial sketches, after all. My editor told me, “Without a tail, he has no distinguishing traits,” so I added a tail. That tail I added was such a nuisance when I was drawing, I couldn’t stand it… so I immediately thought up an episode where his tail gets cut off. (laughs)
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Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
In Vegeta's case, I thought tails simply didn't grow back if they were cut off in adulthood. And that Chi-Chi and Bulma just made sure to get their kids' tails perma-removed because they didn't want them to be any more socially awkward than they were already doomed to be.
Never would have guessed it had anything to do with power and the body finding them excessive.
Never would have guessed it had anything to do with power and the body finding them excessive.
Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
If that is true, that would throw GT and SSJ4 out the window.Darkprince410 wrote:According to Toriyama, it was a situation of them becoming strong enough that the tails simply got in the way, and their bodies naturally didn't find the tails necessary anymore.
Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
I just assumed you needed some influence of moonlight (maybe in combination with danger or adrenaline) for it to grow back. Goku's tail grew back the first time on a day when there was going to be a full moon during the tournament. Gohan's grew back when Vegeta made artificial moonlight during that fight. When Vegeta gets out of the tank, he is under the impression that it can grow back, so I don't think it is just a childhood thing. But since the Earth no longer has a moon, nobody's tails grows back anymore. Maybe it is an evolutionary adaptation: tails are weak points and fragile, so it is normal for Saiyans to lose them sometimes. But if there is great danger and a moon present, they can grow back to enable transformation and get them out of a tough situation.
I have a theory that the tail somehow stores energy reserves for potential future transformation and makes it harder to become SSJ. Goku was the first to become SSJ and had no tail for a few years. Goten and Trunks become SSJ much earlier than Gohan, but they were tail free for like 4 extra years. Vegeta became SSJ a few years after losing his tail.
Anyway, Tails! I'm sad they are gone, but the were-monkey thing is not as interesting as SSJ.
I have a theory that the tail somehow stores energy reserves for potential future transformation and makes it harder to become SSJ. Goku was the first to become SSJ and had no tail for a few years. Goten and Trunks become SSJ much earlier than Gohan, but they were tail free for like 4 extra years. Vegeta became SSJ a few years after losing his tail.
Anyway, Tails! I'm sad they are gone, but the were-monkey thing is not as interesting as SSJ.
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Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
Based on what Toriyama said, what we saw in the manga, and what we know about Goten & Trunks, I see it like that:
The tails exist to assist the Saiyans in battle, since with them, they can transform into Oozaru, giant apes with a x10 increase in power. It has weaknesses, squeezing the tail will make the Saiyan lose his power (can be overcame through special training), transforming into an Oozaru makes the Saiyan lose their reason (can be overcame through special training), cutting the tail will end the transformation & prevent another, and it makes the Saiyan a huge target. The tail will grow back if it's removed after some time, usually in dangerous situations.
However, after reaching a certain level of power, the tail stops growing back. This happens in order for the Saiyans to stop relying to the transformation, and focus on their base in order to get stronger. The near-death power-ups also become bigger & bigger at that point, but they stop at some point. Why would this happen to their bodies? That's how their bodies help them to reach the required level in order to transform into a Super Saiyan, a much stronger transformation with much less weaknesses. If a Saiyan can transform into a Super Saiyan, Oozaru is useless in battle.
As we know, Goku is an exception to this, since his tail was permanently removed by Kami.
Goten & Trunks were already born with the ability to to easily become Super Saiyans in a young age, which is why they were born without tails. They never needed them.
And as for Golden Oozaru & Super Saiyan 4 in GT, for those who say that Toriyama's statement contradicts GT, I think it's actually the opposite. Since the tail stops growing back when a Saiyan reaches a battle power high enough to become a Golden Oozaru, which is a form stronger than Super Saiyan 3, it makes it much harder for a Saiyan to grow back his tail & achieve this power. Goku was lucky to have help from the highest god, and Vegeta was lucky to have help from a scientific genius. If it wasn't for Rou Kaioshin & Bulma, Goku & Vegeta would have never found a way to grow back their tails.
The tails exist to assist the Saiyans in battle, since with them, they can transform into Oozaru, giant apes with a x10 increase in power. It has weaknesses, squeezing the tail will make the Saiyan lose his power (can be overcame through special training), transforming into an Oozaru makes the Saiyan lose their reason (can be overcame through special training), cutting the tail will end the transformation & prevent another, and it makes the Saiyan a huge target. The tail will grow back if it's removed after some time, usually in dangerous situations.
However, after reaching a certain level of power, the tail stops growing back. This happens in order for the Saiyans to stop relying to the transformation, and focus on their base in order to get stronger. The near-death power-ups also become bigger & bigger at that point, but they stop at some point. Why would this happen to their bodies? That's how their bodies help them to reach the required level in order to transform into a Super Saiyan, a much stronger transformation with much less weaknesses. If a Saiyan can transform into a Super Saiyan, Oozaru is useless in battle.
As we know, Goku is an exception to this, since his tail was permanently removed by Kami.
Goten & Trunks were already born with the ability to to easily become Super Saiyans in a young age, which is why they were born without tails. They never needed them.
And as for Golden Oozaru & Super Saiyan 4 in GT, for those who say that Toriyama's statement contradicts GT, I think it's actually the opposite. Since the tail stops growing back when a Saiyan reaches a battle power high enough to become a Golden Oozaru, which is a form stronger than Super Saiyan 3, it makes it much harder for a Saiyan to grow back his tail & achieve this power. Goku was lucky to have help from the highest god, and Vegeta was lucky to have help from a scientific genius. If it wasn't for Rou Kaioshin & Bulma, Goku & Vegeta would have never found a way to grow back their tails.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
Maybe for Goten and Trunks, their parents or the doctor cut off their tails, along with giving them vaccination after birth.
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Re: How come saiyan tails stopped growing back?
Toriyama indicated they were born without tails.EXBadguy wrote:Maybe for Goten and Trunks, their parents or the doctor cut off their tails, along with giving them vaccination after birth.