The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[h0kuten]

Only it's already contradicted BoG. >_>

So, the dragonball manga has a lot of contradictions as well.

[fadeddreams5]

Only it's already contradicted BoG. >_>

So, the dragonball manga has a lot of contradictions as well.

Those are contradictions within itself.

Super is contradicting events from another medium that is not only set in the exact same time, but is also said to be a continuation of the manga by the original author. Thus, one or the other cannot be "canon," but unless they release an official canon, all we can do is pick and choose whichever we prefer to be the real continuation. GT is also an official continuation of the manga, and was never stated to be non-canon. Case in point, the only true canon we have is the original manga; everything else is or isn't irrelevant, depending on what you choose to be relevant to the original story.

In the end of the day, it doesn't really matter though. But in discussions, when you try to say such and such isn't valid anymore because Super contradicts the original manga, the same argument can be reversed by saying that such and such isn't valid at all because it contradicts the original source material. Well, at least until Toriyama and Toei or Shueisha release an official timeline that connects all the series and movies, similarly to what Nintendo did with Zelda.

[h0kuten]

The manga has contradictions and the new material is making a few, select contradictions, there shouldn't be an issue. It happens. It's an over expectation to expect the new material to NOT contradict the old material in some way, having it be 20 years old. As a fan I would expect you to understand this.

[fadeddreams5]

That is true, but that's not really my point. I'm just saying there's no official canon. Also, a character (i.e. Gohan) doesn't just lose potential--this is more than a small contradiction if they go that direction. He may have none in Super (we don't know yet) and GT, but that's Super and GT.

[dbzfan7]

What if Muten Roshi was blind. Now he can't watch porno's, exercise tapes, or see beautiful women. How would he cope?

[Doctor.]

What if Muten Roshi was blind. Now he can't watch porno's, exercise tapes, or see beautiful women. How would he cope?

I think he'd go to jail sooner or later for losing his mind and randomly groping women in the street. If jail could contain him, that is.

[Lord Beerus]

What if Muten Roshi was blind. Now he can't watch porno's, exercise tapes, or see beautiful women. How would he cope?

He wouldn't be able to cope. He'd kill himself.

[Hellspawn28]

So what if Tien, Yamcha and Chaozu also got wish back to be sent to Namek to fight Freeza alongside Piccolo?

[LightBing]

So what if Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chaozu also got wish back to be sent to Namek to fight Freeza alongside Piccolo?

When Piccolo was wished back, only Freeza remained. They would be useless, they could survive since Gohan and Piccolo were able to.

[fadeddreams5]

What if King Cold went to Earth alone?

What if Spongebob and Patrick joined Frieza's army, and were immune to all forms of attacks (assume they can breathe out of water)?

[Doctor.]

What if King Cold went to Earth alone?

Freeza would stick around while Cold went ahead and got himself killed by Trunks. I doubt Goku or anyone would bother with finding out if Freeza was alive or not. Freeza would continue conquering planets and finding technology to rebuild his body. Once the regeneration of his body is complete, he'd train and achieve his Golden form. Depending on when he regains his body (because I assume he couldn't get too strong with his cyborg body), it goes exactly like the movie or he comes and stomps all of the Dragon Team.

I'd answer your second question but I haven't watched Spongebob.

[Pantalones]

What if Spongebob and Patrick joined Freeza's army, and were immune to all forms of attacks (assume they can breathe out of water)?

Someone else in Freeza's army would eventually (...okay, it wouldn't take all that long, Spongebob is basically the most annoying thing in the universe) get so annoyed by them that they'd grab them and fling them out into space, then blow up the planet they were previously on so they couldn't just fall back down (just in case they could magically survive re-entry into the atmosphere), leaving them to die and/or float in the void forever (if they could somehow magically survive in space.) Suffocation due to the vacuum of space doesn't count as an "attack," does it? XD

[LightBing]

What if Guru unlocked Vegeta's potential when he formed the alliance with Gohan and Kuririn?

[Berserker1921]

What if Guru unlocked Vegeta's potential when he formed the alliance with Gohan and Kuririn?

At that time he was weaker then racoom. So with that power up I say he would be near or greater then ginyu. At least buter or jeice level of power.

[fadeddreams5]

What if Ginyu stole Frieza's body?

[Berserker1921]

What if Ginyu stole Freeza's body?

Well we would never have to worry about golden frieza and he wouldn't be able to go more then 120,000 power level.

[fadeddreams5]

I don't know where, but I think it's implied Ginyu once switched bodies before doing so against Goku.

If I'm remembering that correctly, then I think Ginyu could tap into Frieza's full power (first form) because their bodies are similar. That said, he probably wouldn't be able to transform. That, or the body would just implode into itself because Ginyu wouldn't know how to restrain the immense ki.

[Dbzfan94]

What if Kid Buu killed Supreme Kai'/Shin during his original rampage? How would this affect the Buu Saga with Shin and Kibito absent?

[Pantalones]

As far as Ginyu switching bodies with Freeza -- presumably he'd be able to control Freeza's first form's power without any trouble, since the reason he had difficulty with Goku's was because he didn't know the same ki techniques that Goku used to get his power up to his full 90,000 without Kaioken. Freeza doesn't use ki the same way Goku does, however -- he just naturally has that much power, similarly to the Ginyu Force and most of his other minions -- so Ginyu should be able to use his first form's full 530,000.

Freeza's body is still Freeza's body even if Ginyu's the one occupying it, so no worries about Ginyu randomly dying for no reason because he "wasn't able to control Freeza's power." That doesn't even make sense, considering that Freeza's main method of controlling his power is to suppress himself into lower forms -- if Ginyu steals Freeza's body when he's in his first form, he's not going to randomly change into 100% Freeza and strain himself to death out of nowhere, since he probably won't even know how to transform into the higher forms at all. Freeza's transformations (and his 100% bulked-up state) don't seem like the kind of thing you could stumble onto unconsciously mid-fight the way Super Saiyan works, you have to actively choose to change forms.

I guess he could possibly learn how to access Freeza's other forms if he managed to hold onto Freeza's body long enough, but he definitely wouldn't know how to do it right away.

What if Kid Buu killed Supreme Kai'/Shin during his original rampage? How would this affect the Buu Saga with Shin and Kibito absent?

Somebody would've stepped in and probably killed Spopovich/Yamu when they went to drain Gohan's energy, for one thing. Though, on the other hand, he wouldn't have gone SSj2 at the tournament since Kibito wouldn't be there to convince him to show off his full power, so... hmm. Maybe it wouldn't have been Gohan after all -- maybe they'd be draining Piccolo instead, since he'd be the one with the most obvious power assuming none of the Saiyans transformed during the adult division of the tournament, and Gohan would be the one who steps in.

If they drained Piccolo or one of the regular Super Saiyans rather than SSj2 Gohan, they'd be bringing less energy back for Babidi (if they were able to go back at all!), so I have to wonder if Buu would be revived in this alternate version of the story. If so, it definitely wouldn't happen as quickly, since nobody knows where Babidi's ship is and if they killed Spopovich and Yamu they wouldn't be able to follow those two back. Maybe instead of Piccolo recognizing that "Shin" is actually a god, he might recognize the Majin symbol on Spopovich/Yamu/their draining thingie and they'd go to Dende on the lookout and use his "look across all of Earth" ability to figure out where the ship is hiding, or something.

[Alex9196]

What if Ginyu switches body with Gotenks? What happens after the 30 minutes?