New Animation VS Old Animation

[JulieYBM]

Now that the initial luster of being able to watch a new Dragon Ball TV series has slightly subsided,the show's limited budget has become harder to ignore. The third episode looked pretty bad in places. Sure, it didn't have anything too interesting happen that would have justified an uptick in animation quality, but even episodes that only exist to set up larger events down the road deserve at least some standout moments. And of course, there was this little gem of a transition

The wrong coloring of Videl's legs is not an issue of budget, they're an issue of a short production schedule leading to oversight.

[Metalwario64]

Both BOG and ROF have nice animation to them expect for one or two scenes. The CG is shit in ROF, but it's a Japanese film. Japanese films rarely have good CG. People where expecting the CG to look as good as Pixar film when Toei will never put that high level of a budget into a DBZ film.

Spoiler:

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I haven't seen the movie, and can't say how well animated that shot is. The pose is a bit stiff and uninteresting I guess.

I wonder how it compares to this shot of Piccolo blasting Cell from a Studio Cockpit episode of Z (or Kai in the case of this GIF):


At a glance this shot looks more dynamic, but I don't know how the actual animation compares.

[Hellspawn28]

I think people where expecting Super's animation look like BOG, but that will never happen on a weekly series. I don't know what type of animation fans want with a new series? We are never going to get the series drawn in the old fashion way.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Battle of Gods' animation wasn't very good. Given how so many animation supervisors worked on the film, it would obviously mean they had below-average key animators, which required supervisors to clean up their mess. The production schedule didn't help either. It's no worse than the 90s Dragon Ball Z movies.

[JulieYBM]

Yeah, even good animator who worked on the film didn't provide much in the way of nice animation. Oonishi Ryou and Shida Naotoshi's bits were the only parts that looked particularly interesting. The rest of the movie felt really homogenized and lacking in expression. Judging by the preview for Dragon Ball Super Episode #5 some of the cuts for Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu versus Beers should at least have a little more punch to them. I really like how his face is drawn in a few shots, it's much more intense and enthused than in the film.

[Doctor.]

Yeah, even good animator who worked on the film didn't provide much in the way of nice animation. Oonishi Ryou and Shida Naotoshi's bits were the only parts that looked particularly interesting. The rest of the movie felt really homogenized and lacking in expression. Judging by the preview for Dragon Ball Super Episode #5 some of the cuts for Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu versus Beers should at least have a little more punch to them. I really like how his face is drawn in a few shots, it's much more intense and enthused than in the film.

I don't like it. His face looks awfully off-model and the actual 'animation' that was shown wasn't impressive.

[Hellspawn28]

What should modern DB look like anyways? The intro for Budokai 2 & 3 is shown what DB would like if DB animated now, the 2008 Jump Special, Super, the recent movies and specials look like similar to it. I always thought that's what people want?

[Doctor.]

What should modern DB look like anyways? The intro for Budokai 2 & 3 is shown what DB would like if DB animated now, the 2008 Jump Special, Super, the recent movies and specials look like similar to it. I always thought that's what people want?

I don't know what other people want, but I want to feel like Toei Animation puts some effort into the series.

And it does not.

Not one bit.

[JulieYBM]

Yeah, even good animator who worked on the film didn't provide much in the way of nice animation. Oonishi Ryou and Shida Naotoshi's bits were the only parts that looked particularly interesting. The rest of the movie felt really homogenized and lacking in expression. Judging by the preview for Dragon Ball Super Episode #5 some of the cuts for Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu versus Beers should at least have a little more punch to them. I really like how his face is drawn in a few shots, it's much more intense and enthused than in the film.

I don't like it. His face looks awfully off-model and the actual 'animation' that was shown wasn't impressive.

Off-model isn't a bad thing, 'off-model' doesn't mean poorly drawn.

[Doctor.]

Yeah, even good animator who worked on the film didn't provide much in the way of nice animation. Oonishi Ryou and Shida Naotoshi's bits were the only parts that looked particularly interesting. The rest of the movie felt really homogenized and lacking in expression. Judging by the preview for Dragon Ball Super Episode #5 some of the cuts for Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu versus Beers should at least have a little more punch to them. I really like how his face is drawn in a few shots, it's much more intense and enthused than in the film.

I don't like it. His face looks awfully off-model and the actual 'animation' that was shown wasn't impressive.

Off-model isn't a bad thing, 'off-model' doesn't mean poorly drawn.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean 'poorly drawn', but they usually go together. And episode 5's preview looked poorly drawn and poorly animated, regardless of that one shot where SS3 Goku's expression looked fierce.

[Cursemark505]

No, it doesn't necessarily mean 'poorly drawn', but they usually go together. And episode 5's preview looked poorly drawn and poorly animated, regardless of that one shot where SS3 Goku's expression looked fierce.

It doesn't look too poorly drawn nor does it look too poorly animated imo. The cuts of SSJ3 Goku fighting Beerus had some decently drawn shots.
I don't think anyone should be making extreme judgements based on a preview either. We do not know the staff of the episode.
It looks better than the fight from the film at least.

[Doctor.]

I never said anything about episode 5 as a whole, I always talked about the preview.

[Caulifor]

I think people where expecting Super's animation look like BOG, but that will never happen on a weekly series. I don't know what type of animation fans want with a new series? We are never going to get the series drawn in the old fashion way.

Well, there's a difference between wanting something and expecting it. I really wanted Super to be drawn in the old fashion way, but I never expected it to. However, even though I can live with it, I still dislike the new look and wish they made minor changes to make it at least a bit more similar to how the show used to look (the shading I brought up a few pages ago is an example. Goku's hair was full black 99% of the time in DB/Z, and now it has those gray shades that just don't feel right).

[shinmaru]

I thought episode 4 would be disappointing because of the preview. But the art was very nice in the actual episode.
I think we need to get used to the new stuff, that's all

[VintageSaiyan]

We've been over this, bud. One bad scene doesn't mean a thing in the context of an entire movie. You can post that as many times as you like, but it really doesn't mean anything.

Sure, except that this type of shoddy animation is consistent throughout the movie.

I wonder how it compares to this shot of Piccolo blasting Cell from a Studio Cockpit episode of Z (or Kai in the case of this GIF):
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At a glance this shot looks more dynamic, but I don't know how the actual animation compares.

It's way, way worse. I couldn't find a GIF but it's lazy and stiff - it literally looks like a flash animation in the early 2000's.

Battle of Gods' animation wasn't very good. Given how so many animation supervisors worked on the film, it would obviously mean they had below-average key animators, which required supervisors to clean up their mess. The production schedule didn't help either. It's no worse than the 90s Dragon Ball Z movies.

To be honest, especially in the later films, I haven't noticed anywhere near the amount of scenes that made me cringe like I did in the recent ones. The 90's DBZ movies were pretty terrible from a story standpoint, but the animation really came together. It's significantly worse than the 90's movies, which is stupid when you consider the fact that BoG and RoF were THEATRICAL fucking releases that were reviving the franchise.

I don't know what other people want, but I want to feel like Toei Animation puts some effort into the series.

And it does not.

Not one bit.

100% fact If people really wanted to compare, go watch SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu. The majority of those episodes where animated better than anything we've seen in Super and especially the preview with Goku's fight vs Beerus. Hell, look at battle damage in the movies and in DBZ. The amount of detail that went into it far exceeds the new Toei "pencil marks" they put on everybody's face to indicate some sort of damage these days. It's laughably lazy.

Super's animation hasn't been at the level of other long running shonen anime thus far. It's actually at the bottom of the totem pole.

Also true. It's downright terrible when compared to the others.

I don't understand how or why people are defending this crap. I went into BoG, RoF, and Super with excitement. I remember the first BoG trailer with a quick pan around Goku and getting ridiculously excited. However, with each passing movie my expectations got lower and lower until I'm just flat out angry - and it's not just me. Most of my friends grew up watching the series (and were equally as excited) and can't even watch this stuff because it's so bad.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Well here it is in motion:

It doesn't strike me as OMG THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER! But that's just me.

[Attitudefan]

Well here it is in motion:

It doesn't strike me as OMG THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER! But that's just me.

What's wrong with Piccolo's right arm? It is all over the place. That's amateur mistakes man.

[thomas1up]

Well here it is in motion:

It doesn't strike me as OMG THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER! But that's just me.

What strikes me as weird in this shot is how he's moving and then when it cuts to the other angle he just suddenly stops.

[Avery]

Well here it is in motion:

Spoiler:

It doesn't strike me as OMG THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER! But that's just me.

Not a fan of how the background suddenly changes. Laziness
Hell, it doesn't even change. It's literally just a dark overlay.

[VintageSaiyan]

Well here it is in motion:

It doesn't strike me as OMG THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER! But that's just me.

Maybe not, but its pretty fucking bad. It's stiff, uninspired, and lazy.