Did Goku lose his God power?

[h0kuten]

I've recently read that Frieza's power level in his final form was just shy of 300 million. Goku also doesn't become a god in the new movie (until Golden Frieza) and fights Frieza in his Base form. Toriyama seems to agree with the BoG implication that Goku was weaker than Frieza in his Base Form, but due training with Whiss, is now a-lot more
powerful.

Spoiler:

Majin Buu Saga

Goku
~Base 60,000,000

BoG

Goku
~Base 100,000,000

Fukkatsu no F

Goku
~Base 330,000,000

Frieza
~Final Form 294,000,000

Is this what's going on?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I've recently read that Freeza's power level in his final form was just shy of 300 million. Goku also doesn't become a god in the new movie (until Golden Freeza) and fights Freeza in his Base form. Toriyama seems to agree with the BoG implication that Goku was weaker than Freeza in his Base Form, but due training with Whiss, is now a-lot more
powerful.

Spoiler:

Majin Buu Saga

Goku
~Base 60,000,000

BoG

Goku
~Base 100,000,000

Fukkatsu no F

Goku
~Base 330,000,000

Freeza
~Final Form 294,000,000

Is this what's going on?

Those numbers contradict the Cell and Boo saga's. Also, Whis said that with the power Goku/Vegeta currently have with SSJGSSJ, they "might" be able to take on Beerus if they gang up on him, and we all know Beerus is light years above even Vegetto.
Golden Freeza held his own against SSJGSSJ alone. SSJG tier levels are above anything in Boo saga, so therefore those battle powers are inaccurate. But as for your question, no he didn't considering this logic. However, whether he lost it or not by the end of Z is up to interpretation right now until DB Super says something about it.

[h0kuten]

I've recently read that Freeza's power level in his final form was just shy of 300 million. Goku also doesn't become a god in the new movie (until Golden Freeza) and fights Freeza in his Base form. Toriyama seems to agree with the BoG implication that Goku was weaker than Freeza in his Base Form, but due training with Whiss, is now a-lot more
powerful.

Spoiler:

Majin Buu Saga

Goku
~Base 60,000,000

BoG

Goku
~Base 100,000,000

Fukkatsu no F

Goku
~Base 330,000,000

Freeza
~Final Form 294,000,000

Is this what's going on?

Those numbers contradict the Cell and Boo saga's. Also, Whis said that with the power Goku/Vegeta currently have with SSJGSSJ, they "might" be able to take on Beerus if they gang up on him, and we all know Beerus is light years above even Vegetto.
Golden Freeza held his own against SSJGSSJ alone.

No they do not. Also, they are only able to fight Beerus while in their God forms, which is explicit to god tier power, not Goku's Base form. It actually makes more sense that Goku lost the SSJG power.

[Hugo Boss]

My theory is that after experiencing Super Saiyan God, Goku and Vegeta unlocked a new room for improvement, so they needed Whis to bring out their full potential. Then, their regular and Super Saiyan forms upgraded in a way such as to reach 100% of SSG's powerlevel.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I've recently read that Freeza's power level in his final form was just shy of 300 million. Goku also doesn't become a god in the new movie (until Golden Freeza) and fights Freeza in his Base form. Toriyama seems to agree with the BoG implication that Goku was weaker than Freeza in his Base Form, but due training with Whiss, is now a-lot more
powerful.

Spoiler:

Majin Buu Saga

Goku
~Base 60,000,000

BoG

Goku
~Base 100,000,000

Fukkatsu no F

Goku
~Base 330,000,000

Freeza
~Final Form 294,000,000

Is this what's going on?

Those numbers contradict the Cell and Boo saga's. Also, Whis said that with the power Goku/Vegeta currently have with SSJGSSJ, they "might" be able to take on Beerus if they gang up on him, and we all know Beerus is light years above even Vegetto.
Golden Freeza held his own against SSJGSSJ alone.

No they do not. Also, they are only able to fight Beerus while in their God forms, which is explicit to god tier power, not Goku's Base form. It actually makes more sense that Goku lost the SSJG power.

Yes, they do contradict those saga's. Care to explain to me why Vegetto's power would be in the hundred millions not that far ahead of Freeza on Namek, especially considering their power multiplies? And Whis said that Goku/Vegeta (with the power they fought Golden Freeza with) fighting together against Beerus might be able to take him down. That is SSJGSSJ. They did not lose their SSJG powers otherwise that defeats the purpose of their names having "SSJG" in them.

How would the power gap from Namek to SSJ Post Rosat, to Cell, to SSJ2, to SSJ3, to Gotenks, to Ultimate Gohan, to Bootenks, Boohan, Vegetto, etc etc. STILL stay in the same league as Final Form Freeza? Your logic isn't adding up.

[h0kuten]

My theory is that after experiencing Super Saiyan God, Goku and Vegeta unlocked a new room for improvement, so they needed Whis to bring out their full potential. Then, their regular and Super Saiyan forms upgraded in a way such as to reach 100% of SSG's powerlevel.

Frieza's power level is just shy of 300 million, that is also in his final form. This is basically implying that without the SSJG SS Base Goku is nothing compared to his God forms.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Freeza's power level is just shy of 300 million, that is also in his final form.

Where is that from?

[Truhan]

I thought that Goku had absorbed God ki and that his body readjusted to a new found limit. However, taking that power from him won't deny that he has increased his limits, but they will get scaled down nonetheless. It's like filling a balloon with air and stretching it: once you let the air out, the balloon won't have the same size as it originally had. The air is God ki, and the balloon is Goku at base.

[h0kuten]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&start=40

It is from there.

This leads me to believe Goku was weaker than Frieza in his Base form in BoG, but due to training with Whiss is at 300 million in Base, and 75% of Beerus in his SSJG SS form.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&start=40

It is from there.

This leads me to believe Goku was weaker than Freeza in his Base form in BoG, but due to training with Whiss is at 300 million in Base, and 75% of Beerus in his SSJG SS form.

Still doesn't add up. Freeza Final form on Namek is 120,000,000. There is no way that BoG/RoF powers who can hold his own against God tier is just 200 million above that. Not to mention every saga after Namek that makes that power look like a joke.

[h0kuten]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&start=40

It is from there.

This leads me to believe Goku was weaker than Freeza in his Base form in BoG, but due to training with Whiss is at 300 million in Base, and 75% of Beerus in his SSJG SS form.

Still doesn't add up. Freeza Final form on Namek is 120,000,000. There is no way that BoG/RoF powers who can hold his own against God tier is just 200 million above that. Not to mention every saga after Namek that makes that power look like a joke.

Sure it does.

Goku lost his God form and went back down to normal levels. But tripled his strength while training with Whiss.

Golden Form Frieza brings Frieza to God tier.

SSJG SS brings Goku & Vegeta to God tier.

Explained.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&start=40

It is from there.

This leads me to believe Goku was weaker than Freeza in his Base form in BoG, but due to training with Whiss is at 300 million in Base, and 75% of Beerus in his SSJG SS form.

Still doesn't add up. Freeza Final form on Namek is 120,000,000. There is no way that BoG/RoF powers who can hold his own against God tier is just 200 million above that. Not to mention every saga after Namek that makes that power look like a joke.

Sure it does.

Goku lost his God form and went back down to normal levels. But tripled his strength while training with Whiss.

Golden Form Freeza brings Freeza to God tier.

SSJG SS brings Goku & Vegeta to God tier.

Explained.

That's incorrect. After the god form wore off, most of that power became apart of him. This is stated in BoG. That's why he could still hold his own against 70% Beerus at a decent rate in base and SSJ.

[Hugo Boss]

My theory is that after experiencing Super Saiyan God, Goku and Vegeta unlocked a new room for improvement, so they needed Whis to bring out their full potential. Then, their regular and Super Saiyan forms upgraded in a way such as to reach 100% of SSG's powerlevel.

Freeza's power level is just shy of 300 million, that is also in his final form. This is basically implying that without the SSJG SS Base Goku is nothing compared to his God forms.

As I said, I believe that, with Whis' teaching, Goku's powerlevel upgraded to Super Saiyan God's, with Super Saiyan replacing Super Saiyan God. Without SS, Goku's power is much lower than his SSG's powerlevel, since it's just his regular form (despite upgraded). Also, I don't get from where people are pulling that 300 million-number. The only thing Freeza said is that, if dedicates himself, in 4 months he will achieve a powerlevel of 1.3 million. He wasn't factoring any new transformation yet.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

My theory is that after experiencing Super Saiyan God, Goku and Vegeta unlocked a new room for improvement, so they needed Whis to bring out their full potential. Then, their regular and Super Saiyan forms upgraded in a way such as to reach 100% of SSG's powerlevel.

Freeza's power level is just shy of 300 million, that is also in his final form. This is basically implying that without the SSJG SS Base Goku is nothing compared to his God forms.

As I said, I believe that, with Whis' teaching, Goku's powerlevel upgraded to Super Saiyan God's, with Super Saiyan replacing Super Saiyan God. Without SS, Goku's power is much lower than his SSG's powerlevel, since it's just his regular form (despite upgraded). Also, I don't get from where people are pulling that 300 million-number. The only thing Freeza said is that, if dedicates himself, in 4 months he will achieve a powerlevel of 1.3 million. He wasn't factoring any new transformation yet.

First Form Freeza one punched Ultimate Gohan by the way, who alone man handled Evil Boo.

[Truhan]

Gohan returned to base, and "Ultimate" is not it.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Gohan returned to base, and "Ultimate" is not it.

I don't think that was ever stated. Plus it wasn't stated that he can't use SSJ.

[h0kuten]

Gohan probably lost his Mystic power by this point and returned to being equal to his Majin Buu Saga self prior to performing the ritual. Gohan was also in 'Base' form, so it really isn't impressive

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Gohan probably lost his Mystic power by this point and returned to being equal to his Majin Buu Saga self prior to performing the ritual. Gohan was also in 'Base' form, so it really isn't impressive

It's possible I guess. Elder Kaioshin did a magical ritual, so it could have just plainly worn off since Gohan doesn't train to maintain the magic that unlocked it.

[Doctor.]

You're really putting so much trust into battle powers made by an author who hasn't touched his series for over a decade and who, even then, didn't care a whole lot about such numbers? Really?

The only thing that could imply Goku lost his God power in the movie is the fact that, apparently, he couldn't sense Beerus' Ki, but that could just mean it was too far away and Beerus was in too much of a suppressed state for him to sense it. The context of the entire film implies he still has his Godly Ki.

[Truhan]

I don't think that was ever stated. Plus it wasn't stated that he can't use SSJG.

Statements are not the only source of information. Gohan was shown powering up to Ultimate, or unleashing his Hidden Potential, in both BoG and the opening of DB Super. He had unleashed it in front of the Kais and Goku, before he did it again in front of Super Buu, meaning that he has the ability to control it. Either he lost access to that, due to lack of training, or TOEI/AT thought that it's a confusing power up, since he looks close to his base state rather than transformed. SSJG could be a possibility, but highly unlikely.