Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
MajinMan wrote:I've posted here before, but something recently has been annoying me a little. It's the clickbait DBZ youtubers that don't know what they're talking about. Say whatever you want about youtube but these guys spread misinformation, lies, and basically turn the fandom on its head. Sure, people on this forum and certain other individuals won't fall for stupidity like that, but the majority of the casual fans will and that just irks me a bit.
ALL of that, and another thing that irritates me the most is this phrases:
Broly has been confirmed for [Insert media here]
Dragon Ball was always a kid series and fans should stop being in denial.
-"Goku has no character development"
-"Goku is a bad father"
-"Vegeta's backstory is so sad"
-"Gohan became worse after deciding to quit fighting"
-"DBZ has no martial arts and its all about the bigger laser"
-"The Buu arc sucks"
-"The old dub is better than Kai"
-"Nozawa is not a good Goku"
-"The sub sucks"
-"Broli is stronger than SSJ3 Goku"
I found out that there is a Raditz X Goku art club....and once saw Chi Chi X Kid Gohan.....yeah those incest people I'd like to add.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
MajinMan wrote:I've posted here before, but something recently has been annoying me a little. It's the clickbait DBZ youtubers that don't know what they're talking about. Say whatever you want about youtube but these guys spread misinformation, lies, and basically turn the fandom on its head. Sure, people on this forum and certain other individuals won't fall for stupidity like that, but the majority of the casual fans will and that just irks me a bit.
THIS!!! That's why apart from Mistare Fusion, I don't watch ANY DB youtubers. The only other one that is semi tolerable to me is Blackenfist. He does seem to be somewhat knowledgeable.
I would like to think that I am more than just somewhat knowledgeable. Their are things I don't know but you could say that about every fan too.
blackenfist wrote:I would like to think that I am more than just somewhat knowledgeable. Their are things I don't know but you could say that about every fan too.
True, nobody can really know everything about anything, but of course there is always someone that knows more than others. When it comes to DB, I think understanding the Japanese version helps tremendously, and it seems like you know a good bit about it.
Also, I think that you're one of the best DBZ youtubers out there along with Qaaman and the gang. MistareFusion is up there as well. It's just certain youtubers, which I won't name, tick me off. It baffles me how fans subscribe to those other channels and actually defend them when it's obvious that they're just making up bullshit. The fanbase would be much better off if they would just ignore them and go with you guys instead.
blackenfist wrote:
I would like to think that I am more than just somewhat knowledgeable. Their are things I don't know but you could say that about every fan too.
OMG, blackenfist in kanzenshuu!!
Agreed on that.
PS: You´re best Dragon Ball youtuber, alongside Quaman and Mister Fusion.
Dragon Ball was always a kid series and fans should stop being in denial.
The Brolyphobia on Kanzenshuu. I get people on other sites are really annoying with the Broly hype, or the series over-hyping Broly in things such as the games, but I hardly see anyone really say much about him on this site that's hyping. Usually it's indifference, liking the character, or more commonly hate. I've seen a lot people not like beating a dead horse on a subject, well at least on Kanzenshuu I think the Broly hate is being beaten to death. I kinda like him, but really I don't think anyone on here is over-hyping him, so I don't see a reason to over inflate the hatred.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Personally, my hate of the characters stems from the fact that I personally interpret him as almost everything wrong with the franchise because most non-fans usually think of him when Dragon Ball comes to their mind. "Big and tough brutes with no brain, who punch each other and scream a lot for 50 minutes, with undeserved and easy to get power-ups, a shallow backstory and lack depth and complexity". That's what most critics usually say about DB and Broly is the personification of all of those aspects put together.
Doctor. wrote:Personally, my hate of the characters stems from the fact that I personally interpret him as almost everything wrong with the franchise because most non-fans usually think of him when Dragon Ball comes to their mind. "Big and tough brutes with no brain, who punch each other and scream a lot for 50 minutes, with undeserved and easy to get power-ups, a shallow backstory and lack depth and complexity". That's what most critics usually say about DB and Broly is the personification of all of those aspects put together.
Doctor. hit the nail on the head. Broly is every shallow trope and stereotype about Dragon Ball rolled into one.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Doctor. wrote:Personally, my hate of the characters stems from the fact that I personally interpret him as almost everything wrong with the franchise because most non-fans usually think of him when Dragon Ball comes to their mind. "Big and tough brutes with no brain, who punch each other and scream a lot for 50 minutes, with undeserved and easy to get power-ups, a shallow backstory and lack depth and complexity". That's what most critics usually say about DB and Broly is the personification of all of those aspects put together.
Doctor. hit the nail on the head. Broly is every shallow trope and stereotype about Dragon Ball rolled into one.
Well yeah everyone is free to hate him, I just think it's brought up a lot in a place that's not very supportive of him, so there's no real point in beating it in some more.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
It's the general idea that strongest character = best character that annoys me.
"You just put Krillin above Vegeta, are you crazy or what? Even normal Eartlings can murder Krillin lol"
Anything a Broli fanboy says is just unbearable.
And the rapid dub fanboys comments...oh boy. English is not even my first language and yet I was told to "go get a cancer" for not hailing it and preferring the Japanese version...don't even get me started on the "weeaboo" thing.
An angry Final Fantasy fan wrote: And after all the outrage, when I'm ready, I'll go out on to GameStop and buy a Persona 5 copy. And when my mother finds me investing my precious time trying to bond with this hot anime girl, I'll look straight into her eyes and say "but have you looked at the menu screen? have you actually seen the menu screen? In that very moment, she knows. She fucking knows. As she handles me the nugget pieces she previously cooked for me, she leaves my room with these words: "Persona 5 is the true savior of the JRPG".
VegettoEX wrote:
In a blunt nutshell, no-one wants to read bullshit. Don't post bullshit. Be a cool person that posts cool things that other people would actually want to read. Don't be Zamasu from episode 63 talking to himself.
Avery wrote:don't even get me started on the "weeaboo" thing.
If you like anything Japanese/prefer something in it's original language, you're a "weeaboo"...
Cipher wrote:Dragon Ball is the story of a kind-hearted, excitable child who uses the power of friendship to improve those around him as he grows into a dangerous obsessive who sometimes accidentally saves the world.
MarCas92 wrote:Let's face it. Nobody is perfect. At the end of the day, most, if not all, of us have a personal connection to this franchise. A lot of times when other peoples views don't match with our own, we can't help but feel irritated or annoyed. Sometimes it comes out in nasty ways.We see this all the time in every fandom and every forum. It's fine to have these feelings, but I feel it's important to understand why, and how to react to them in a positive way and learn from others.So, what triggers these feelings in you and why?
For me:
People saying you don't need to watch Dragon Ball.
People thinking the American version is in any way shape or form superior than the original.
People who create their own canon no matter how nonsensical and complicated it is.
DoomieDoomie911 wrote:If you like anything Japanese/prefer something in it's original language, you're a "weeaboo"...
I wouldn't use Weeaboo for that. Weeaboo, I'd more use for stuff like:
To me, something weeaboo is when you inject needless Japanese into an English sentence, be it people talking/posting in a forum, or in fansubs.
Now stuff like translator's noting Japanese that didn't need to be in subs in the first place, needless honorifics, stuff like that can get on my nerves. It's one of the reasons why I tend to prefer official releases over fansubs (quality is often another).
~ GOTENKS PRE ROST HAS TO BE STRONGER THAN GOKU DUE TO MULTIPLE STATEMENTS; that can be interpreted differently
~ Broly has infinite power because his Chi always increases
~ Broly has better feats than even Beerus because he blew a Galaxy so he's stronger through feats
~ Piccolo is weaker than a Cell Junior by FnF
~ Gogeta is weaker than Buuhan and only about 2x Gotenks
DoomieDoomie911 wrote:If you like anything Japanese/prefer something in it's original language, you're a "weeaboo"...
I wouldn't use Weeaboo for that. Weeaboo, I'd more use for stuff like:
To me, something weeaboo is when you inject needless Japanese into an English sentence, be it people talking/posting in a forum, or in fansubs.
Now stuff like translator's noting Japanese that didn't need to be in subs in the first place, needless honorifics, stuff like that can get on my nerves. It's one of the reasons why I tend to prefer official releases over fansubs (quality is often another).
Yes, but there are still people (mainly on YouTube and websites like it) that will call you a weeaboo just for liking the Japanese version of a show.
Cipher wrote:Dragon Ball is the story of a kind-hearted, excitable child who uses the power of friendship to improve those around him as he grows into a dangerous obsessive who sometimes accidentally saves the world.
h0kuten wrote:
~ Piccolo is weaker than a Cell Junior by FnF
He sort of... is. Notice how Toriyama specifically chose weaker fighters to engage against Frieza's army. Not one, besides Gohan, is SSJ level, let alone SSJ2.
Prior to this, the only indicator of Piccolo's strength is him saying Kaioshin (****ing KAIOSHIN) is in a different dimension to him.
Post-android saga, Piccolo is fodder trash.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
h0kuten wrote:
~ Piccolo is weaker than a Cell Junior by FnF
He sort of... is. Notice how Toriyama specifically chose weaker fighters to engage against Freeza's army. Not one, besides Gohan, is SSJ level, let alone SSJ2.
Prior to this, the only indicator of Piccolo's strength is him saying Kaioshin (****ing KAIOSHIN) is in a different dimension to him.
Post-android saga, Piccolo is fodder trash.
Nah.
Toriyama stated that Piccolo trains during his off times & Perfect Cell stated that Trunks & Vegeta weren't the only ones capable of defending themselves against The Cell Juniors.
Maybe not weaker than a Cell Jr, but not leagues above one like SSJ2 Gohan was either. At the very best, he's at the level Goku was when he fought Cell, or a tad inferior.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
" the Japanese dub is unbearable. Goku sounds like a girl."
"the Kai dub is garbage compared to the original Funimation dub"
Also, Broly. Can't stand that guy.
