Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
Doctor. wrote:Then consider a mosquito stinging you. It makes you pissed, right? You probably killed a few mosquitoes in your life, don't lie to me. What makes you different then Beerus?
This is glorious I want to sig it so badly. Although posting "don't you freaking lie to me" would have been more badASS.
Doctor. wrote:Oh? And how many times has Earth caused danger to the universe? All of the universe's most powerful beings, except two, live there. The androids, created on Earth, were more powerful than Freeza, a galactic tyrant, and if Cell succeeded, he would destroy the universe.
Going just by the manga threat to the universe only appeared in the short time from the android saga to the Cell saga (From Earth that is). This is also assuming that outside of the North Galaxy (NG) there weren't equivalent or stronger fighters else where (if not superior technology; maybe scientists from the NG could have found a way to counter Cell perhaps?). if anything all we can say from what we know for sure the androids & Cell were definitely unstoppable in the North galaxy if it wasn't for the Z-fighters (more or less). As to posing a larger threat to the universe yes. But will they have been successful? I'm going to go w/ most likely no. Since we don't even know what went down (or up in this case) in the after life in the manga for 7 years Goku was dead. It wasn't until the Buu saga did we know for sure that no one in the mortal realm nor the Kaioshin realm could stop Buu. It is at this point we know for certain that nothing during the Buu saga in the mortal realm was stronger than him. If Buu & Cell were switched as villains in the time period I would agree with you then.
Doctor. wrote:Oh don't go all animal rights activist on me here.
"Animal rights> hoomin rights" amiright?
fadeddreams5 wrote:Grr... can't comment on manga Goku. B-but...ALLY TO GOOD, NIGHTMARE TO YOU!...okay, no.
One of the best line from the Funi dub. I gotta admit. For better or for worse.
fadeddreams5 wrote: A tornado won't stop cause you feed it pudding. xD
Yeah you're right. Ever seen storm chasers? Pretty much what you just posted.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:And, as Doctor said, it's not like Earth is by any means a "safe" place. Some of the biggest threats in the universe either were born there, or created there, imprisoned there, or live there.
You can read what I posted to Doc's comment about it if you want. The only one born was Cell.Created the androids (so 5), imprisoned (okay Buu), well Vegeta was for a short time before he changed his ways. I wouldn't calssify the z-fighters as a threat to the universe considering they are in good relations w/ the Kaioshins.
"I was born in a small village. I was still a child when we were raided by soldiers. Foreign soldiers. Torn from my elders, I was made to speak their language. With each new post my masters changed. Along with the words they made me speak. With each change, I changed too. My thoughts, personality, how I saw right and wrong. Words - can - kill." —Skull Face
Nightstar1994 wrote:Kid Buu did a better job at being a God of Destruction by actually not giving a crap about the planet he wants to explode. Beerus is too soft for that title.
That in essence makes him the least suitable character for that job as he'd destroy far more planets than actually needed to be destroyed, which would essentially screw up the balance of the universe.
idk. I feel people are jumping the gun with Beerus. He was a really good character in BoG, but in F, his presence was unneeded and a tad bothersome, given how they're forcefully trying to connect him to everything. The food thing has already gotten old too.
I'll wait till I see his portrayal in Super before making judgments about the character himself. >.>
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:idk. I feel people are jumping the gun with Beerus. He was a really good character in BoG, but in F, his presence was unneeded and a tad bothersome, given how they're forcefully trying to connect him to everything. The food thing has already gotten old too.
I'll wait till I see his portrayal in Super before making judgments about the character himself. >.>
F also badly portrayed Goku and Vegeta, so that's probably more of the film's fault rather than Beerus himself.
fadeddreams5 wrote:idk. I feel people are jumping the gun with Beerus. He was a really good character in BoG, but in F, his presence was unneeded and a tad bothersome, given how they're forcefully trying to connect him to everything. The food thing has already gotten old too.
I'll wait till I see his portrayal in Super before making judgments about the character himself. >.>
F also badly portrayed Goku and Vegeta, so that's probably more of the film's fault rather than Beerus himself.
That is true.
I'm excited to see how Beerus is portrayed in Super, especially since we're getting a retelling and all. >.>
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:idk. I feel people are jumping the gun with Beerus. He was a really good character in BoG, but in F, his presence was unneeded and a tad bothersome, given how they're forcefully trying to connect him to everything. The food thing has already gotten old too.
I'll wait till I see his portrayal in Super before making judgments about the character himself. >.>
Xenoverse did Beerus really well and made me like him ever more. I'm hoping Super utilizes his character in a similar fashion.
Answering the question: No, Beerus is totally dispensable, he is a God Of Destruction, a title that we can imagine being somewhat serious, interesting and even cloudy...
But no, he came literally from nowhere with a not conving back story, too strong judging that he is a "God" and you know Gods in DB are kinda of a joke if we analyze properly: Kamisama/Dende are a weaklings, Kaios too and Kaioshins that should be a supreme deity and power figure are weak and they didn't showed like someone who could respect, Vegeta didn't give a f*ck for Kaioshin, Goku too and now arises Beerus wanting to be everything that has never been established in the series? Lame
Also I don't like he and Whis being obsessed by food, sounds so annoying and childish... Beerus was unbearable in RoF, can they just enjoy food normally? We don't need another Goku or Mr. Boo that likes eat all the time, also bribe the God Of Destruction with food it's ridiculous but yeah we have to accept this because it's a reflection of the new audience that DB Media wants to achieve nowadays
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Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
^None of that makes him unnecessary or dispensable as you put it. People are using their dislike of the character as a basis to say he's disposable, which has me scratching my head. A guy whose sole reason for existence is to maintain the balance of the universe is not disposable.
And another question I have is why should all Gods be weak just because a few are? That makes zero sense.
Birusu16 wrote:^None of that makes him unnecessary or dispensable as you put it. People are using their dislike of the character as a basis to say he's disposable, which has me scratching my head. A guy whose sole reason for existence is to maintain the balance of the universe is not disposable.
And another question I have is why should all Gods be weak just because a few are? That makes zero sense.
Not at all... Why do DB Universe really need a God Of Destruction? I would like to see a good story to explain this in a mature way not because "Hey, I'm a destroyer, I'm like to destroy things with no reason at all, maybe if things piss me off"
Because when you talk about "Gods" you understand that are supreme beings with absolute power and respect... And the past Gods in DB were rarely introduced that way
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Birusu16 wrote:^None of that makes him unnecessary or dispensable as you put it. People are using their dislike of the character as a basis to say he's disposable, which has me scratching my head. A guy whose sole reason for existence is to maintain the balance of the universe is not disposable.
And another question I have is why should all Gods be weak just because a few are? That makes zero sense.
Not at all... Why do DB Universe really need a God Of Destruction? I would like to see a good story to explain this in a mature way not because "Hey, I'm a destroyer, I'm like to destroy things with no reason at all, maybe if things piss me off"
Because when you talk about "Gods" you understand that are supreme beings with absolute power and respect... And the past Gods in DB were rarely introduced that way
Because of the way the cycle of rebirth works in Dragon Ball. It's like Buddhism, where everyone gets reincarnated. Without destruction, there will be too many souls alive and not enough to be reborn.
Birusu16 wrote:^None of that makes him unnecessary or dispensable as you put it. People are using their dislike of the character as a basis to say he's disposable, which has me scratching my head. A guy whose sole reason for existence is to maintain the balance of the universe is not disposable.
And another question I have is why should all Gods be weak just because a few are? That makes zero sense.
Not at all... Why do DB Universe really need a God Of Destruction? I would like to see a good story to explain this in a mature way not because "Hey, I'm a destroyer, I'm like to destroy things with no reason at all, maybe if things piss me off"
Because when you talk about "Gods" you understand that are supreme beings with absolute power and respect... And the past Gods in DB were rarely introduced that way
Because of the way the cycle of rebirth works in Dragon Ball. It's like Buddhism, where everyone gets reincarnated. Without destruction, there will be too many souls alive and not enough to be reborn.
Brely anyone gets reborn. Frieza didn't. Buu only did because Goku aked Yemma to reincarnate him.
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singsing wrote:
Because of the way the cycle of rebirth works in Dragon Ball. It's like Buddhism, where everyone gets reincarnated. Without destruction, there will be too many souls alive and not enough to be reborn.
Brely anyone gets reborn. Freeza didn't. Buu only did because Goku aked Yemma to reincarnate him.
One example? Also, Buu got his process expedited because, like you said, Yemma honored Goku's wish. For all we know, Freeza's turn in the cycle was coming up. We don't know how long it usually takes for souls to be reincarnated.
singsing wrote:
Because of the way the cycle of rebirth works in Dragon Ball. It's like Buddhism, where everyone gets reincarnated. Without destruction, there will be too many souls alive and not enough to be reborn.
Brely anyone gets reborn. Freeza didn't. Buu only did because Goku aked Yemma to reincarnate him.
One example? Also, Buu got his process expedited because, like you said, Yemma honored Goku's wish. For all we know, Freeza's turn in the cycle was coming up. We don't know how long it usually takes for souls to be reincarnated.
Haha this is a Dragonball religion debate XD. Honestly there's just 1 real reincarnation in dagonball,you can't make that a basis for reincarnation. I see heaven and hell kinda debunking reincarnation unless it's requested.
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How death in Dragon Ball basically works is: good souls go to Heaven, really good souls keep their bodies and get to do whatever it is they do in the afterlife, and all bad souls go to Hell to, eventually, be cleansed of all their evil and reincarnated. The reincarnation process takes an unspecified amount of time to complete, while Pure Buu's the one exception (that we know of) with a speedy reincarnation.
Daisetsu wrote:How death in Dragon Ball basically works is: good souls go to Heaven, really good souls keep their bodies and get to do whatever it is they do in the afterlife, and all bad souls go to Hell to, eventually, be cleansed of all their evil and reincarnated. The reincarnation process takes an unspecified amount of time to complete, while Pure Buu's the one exception (that we know of) with a speedy reincarnation.
Daisetsu wrote:I'm pretty sure the whole thing is based on Buddhism and, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think good souls get reincarnated in it.
I'm fairly certain every soul gets reincarnated, it's just that if you're good but not super good, you get to spend time in Heaven chilling around before you get reincarnated, while the bad souls get tortured before reincarnation.
I think Beerus is needed because the universe needs diversity. He destroys worlds and kais make new ones. ion takes care of making the people I guess. Nothing is concrete on or for the workings of reincarnation in dragonball. You could say every 5th soul gets reincarnated and it'd be as much of a valid statement as "only bad people are reincarnated" because we really don't know. I hope they go into it more in super. Why we have a god of destruction is right up there with questions like who's the God of Dragonball's universe (all 12 universes)...like a kai of kais. and who made the universe(which I ea the ACTUAL definition of universe,not the inaccurate one in Dragonball). If they show use GOD it has to a Roshi look alike or Toriyama-Bot. :3
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A guy whose sole reason for existence is to maintain the balance of the universe is not disposable.
