Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbgtFO]

Also, we need to remember that Freeza can't sense ki and no scouter has ever been able to reach anywhere near a million so maybe. he doesn't have an accurate understanding of what "1.3 million" really translates to in the big picture...

Yeah, I'd prefer that as the in-universe explanation.

[White Oni]

Freeza in his first form with a power level of 1.3 million stopped Gohan's heart with one blow?

Yes. You saw it happen on screen. I'm sorry you don't like it.

Ehhh, I seriously doubt that's what we saw on screen... He never said that's what his base form ended up being, just what he predicted it would end up being and even he said that he far surpassed his own expectations.

I SERIOUSLY doubt that the Z squad would be so very worried about frieza in that form if that's all he'd accomplished. ALSO, even goku and Vegeta said he'd become a monster before seeing him transform...

[Mewzard]

Freeza in his first form with a power level of 1.3 million stopped Gohan's heart with one blow?

That's assuming that Freeza's assessment was accurate in that scene. You do have to keep in mind that characters can be fallible, especially when talking about uncertainties in the future.

Logistically speaking, Freeza having that power level makes little sense as Gohan in base surpassed it at 4-5 years old.

But if Freeza simply figured he'd double his power or so and ended up going ridiculously beyond it, that makes a lot more sense.

[Doctor.]

There's nothing technically wrong with Freeza being able to defeat Gohan with 1,3M. It's just really far-fetched. The last recorded battle power in the manga was for Freeza's second form, which clocked in at "over 1 million". It's certainly possible that Gohan would fit in between the 1 million and the 1,3M, but there's too many beings in the middle: second form Freeza powered-up twice, then you have third form Freeza, base Goku on Namek, base Goku after arriving on Earth, base Goku 3 years later, base Goku in the Cell Games which is still weaker than base Gohan around that same time period, which should be around if not slightly weaker than base Gohan after the Z sword training. Unless Gohan got substantially weaker in just one year, from BoG to F, or the difference between all of these versions of these characters are completely null, then there's no way Freeza could have that power.

It's not about liking battle powers or not, or them not aligning with people's 'arbitrary' lists, it's about having internal consistency. It's simply almost impossible to not argue this as nonsensical.

[Bullza]

Ah so now Gohan is even weaker than when he was a small child.

Also a power level of 1.3 million was for some reason worth mentioning in a conversation where he'd just been told Goku had defeated Buu.

[White Oni]

Ah so now Gohan is even weaker than when he was a small child.

Also a power level of 1.3 million was for some reason worth mentioning in a conversation where he'd just been told Goku had defeated Buu.

Frieza who often refered to himself as the strongest being in the universe and can't sense/evaluate ki would TOTALLY have a goood grasp of how powerful someone he never met, but was warned about, was... Makes sense.

The scene isn't that complicated, it doesn't tell us anything about power levels, all it tells us is how much frieza underestimated Goku's growth. If he didn't surpass his own expectations himself, he'd have been in for a REALLY rude awakening.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Gohan can go ssj and is only a year of no training after showing mystic powers. Logically he'd still be beyond super buu's base form. Frieza isn't 1.3 million,it's a inconsistent script line. Frieza knows his final form is below buu,and his final form I over 120x stronger then his first form (530,000) so he wouldn't say "i'll make my power level go up to my second form's level that way I'm stronger then buu".

The only eal weird thing is how could frieza know his power was beyond buu? Seriously he has no idea how strong buu is, weather he's 20x stronger or over a thousand and yet he just knew he's above buu. Kinda silly really.

[White Oni]

Ehhhh I mean it's not that weird, I don't think Frieza really "knew" anything about the relevent power levels in the universe. He simply doesn't operate that way, he can't even sense ki. He operates on confidence, if he FEELS stronger than someone else, or how he could imagine someone else being, in his eyes, he IS stronger, until proven otherwise...

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Ehhhh I mean it's not that weird, I don't think Freeza really "knew" anything about the relevent power levels in the universe. He simply doesn't operate that way, he can't even sense ki. He operates on confidence, if he FEELS stronger than someone else, or how he could imagine someone else being, in his eyes, he IS stronger, until proven otherwise...

So basically he assumes and goes with his gut. Doesn't sound like Frieza and has strategic self. It's just another problem with his power up(like how he said he never trained even though he said he trained with his dad in the manga.) Clearly it's just something to accept. The movie's still amazing with the couple of plot holes.

[Captain Space]

So basically he assumes and goes with his gut. Doesn't sound like Freeza and has strategic self. It's just another problem with his power up(like how he said he never trained even though he said he trained with his dad in the manga.) Clearly it's just something to accept. The movie's still amazing with the couple of plot holes.

He didn't say he trained with his dad. Just that his parents had hurt him. Some people have speculated that this meant during training, but that's all it is, speculation.

[dbzfan7]

Like with Base Goku being told he couldn't beat Freeza as he was from Beerus, there's no real reason to denote Freeza's 1.3 million line. None of the staff give a shit about consistency in power levels, so they just picked out a number they thought was big. Freeza never said he was wrong so ignoring all pre-established things we know, there's no reason to think he's wrong. Simply the staff just does not care about power levels and didn't try to fit them in. Even Ryusei Nako's joke level probably would have made more sense, but we got what we got...like the 40 tons thing people complain about.

[Low Tone G]

Ah so now Gohan is even weaker than when he was a small child.

Also a power level of 1.3 million was for some reason worth mentioning in a conversation where he'd just been told Goku had defeated Buu.

Maybe Freeza was talking about 1.3 million KILLI . In that way, that's a very nice power level considering that Goku was measured to be 3000 killi in the Buu saga is SSJ1(suppressed or not). So talking about 1.300.000 killi power level that's a ~430x jump over Goku's SSJ from Buu saga.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So basically he assumes and goes with his gut. Doesn't sound like Freeza and has strategic self. It's just another problem with his power up(like how he said he never trained even though he said he trained with his dad in the manga.) Clearly it's just something to accept. The movie's still amazing with the couple of plot holes.

He didn't say he trained with his dad. Just that his parents had hurt him. Some people have speculated that this meant during training, but that's all it is, speculation.

Yeah Freeza is bratty I am sure his parent(s) must have hurt him once or twice when he was growing up. Probably a lot more then that

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

So basically he assumes and goes with his gut. Doesn't sound like Freeza and has strategic self. It's just another problem with his power up(like how he said he never trained even though he said he trained with his dad in the manga.) Clearly it's just something to accept. The movie's still amazing with the couple of plot holes.

He didn't say he trained with his dad. Just that his parents had hurt him. Some people have speculated that this meant during training, but that's all it is, speculation.

I just checked my manga and you're right. I got confused because in the script of dragonball kai Frieza said Goku's the first to hurt him in his 4th form since he was "training with his father".

So this DOES fit in with the manga.

[Morgil]

Just got back from seeing the movie. Was it just me, or was Krillin's ringtone the theme from One Piece?

It is. It's "We Are", the first One Piece opening theme.

Awesome. I friggin' love that song, and when I heard it in the movie, I literally had it playing in my head for the next 20-or-so minutes. "Come aboard and bring alo~ong, All your hopes and drea~eams! Together we will find everything that we're looking fo~or! One Piece!"

[FortuneSSJ]

Awesome. I friggin' love that song, and when I heard it in the movie, I literally had it playing in my head for the next 20-or-so minutes. "Come aboard and bring alo~ong, All your hopes and drea~eams! Together we will find everything that we're looking fo~or! One Piece!"

In case you don't know, the reason why that song plays is because Krillin japanese voice actress is the same than Luffy, main character from One Piece.
Its a tribute.

[the1payday]

Just saw the film last night (after reading the plot months ago haha). I really wanted to like it (and BOG for that matter too) but I just couldn't. If you enjoyed the film, I'm glad. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but honestly I thought the movie was terrible. Again, I wanted to like it and I AM happy we are getting new DB related stuff after so long but...

The hierarchy of the strength levels; I just can't buy it...even kind of...even if I really try to. So Sashimi (red guy) is quoted as being around the same level as Zarbon and Dodoria. Ok fine...except he actually lands a hit on Piccolo. I mean seriously...he gives Piccolo trouble in the movie. At this point in the series literally EVERYONE at that fight (minus Kamesen'nin) should be able to kill a fighter of that level by fucking WINKING at them. I just don't understand it. Honestly, the same pretty much goes for Freeza, even with his 4 months of training or whatever. I still just can't buy into the idea that he could become that much stronger in 4 months. Gohan and Piccolo alone at this point in the series are so much above any level Freeza could EVER feasibly achieve, that ONE blow should have killed him. It's absolutely NO different then trying to sell the absurd idea that if the fish or the pterodactyl in the first episode of DB trained enough, then they could be equal to, let's say...Goku after his training with Kaio-Sama. Also, on the topic of the new SSJG forms...they just seem lame and uninspired to me. Super Saiyan 3 was at least different enough in a weird way to be passable...not these though.

Honestly, and I HATE to say this but:
The plot, the popular villain coming back to life (and watch out because he's miraculously WAY stronger), the new Super Saiyan forms, and most certainly the total joke that any of these villains could be equals to the current level good guys...it all just seems like GT again. Not like the original GT, but a "what if we took the most terrible ideas we could think of, made a cash grab by bringing a popular villain back, and otherwise just ignored stated facts by the existing cannon, but it's ok because Akira Toriyama's name is on it" kind of GT.

Sorry for the wall of text. Again, if you did enjoy the movie I'm jealous of you.

[Captain Space]

I just checked my manga and you're right. I got confused because in the script of dragonball kai Freeza said Goku's the first to hurt him in his 4th form since he was "training with his father".

So this DOES fit in with the manga.

Freeza's training here being the first time he does it fits, yes.

[Abel Taylor]

That was quite possibly the best movie I've ever seen. The pre-movie trivia was fun. I got all 10 correct, but questions 8 and 10 were pretty difficult. The fights were amazing, and I really liked Beerus and Whis. Goku and Vegeta's interactions were hilarious. Freeza was hysterical. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is the best looking form to me; the blue hair is great.

When Beerus told Bulma to stick by him and everyone got by him, the whole theater laughed.

The movie was very fun and the fights were great.

11/10 from me.

[Morgil]

So before the movie came out, I actually tried hard to avoid spoilers regarding that blue Super Saiyan thing. After seeing the movie yesterday, I now see it wasn't necessary, since the movie didn't actually explain anything. Pretty much all they said was some vague hint about it being connected to the Super Saiyan God form from the previous movie, which i had already inferred, anyway. I'm not too keen on DBSuper lazily rehashing the movies' plots instead of doing something new, but at least when they get to this movie's story, I hope they'll actually explain the new form much better.