Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Feats of the finished material over-ride the script, which is subject to change, which has and will continue to happen to Mr. Akira Toriyama.

So... you are basically picking what you like & treat you assumptions as facts in order to prove your point.

[Doctor.]

Any opinion on my list using Freeza's 1.3M as correct?

[h0kuten]

Feats of the finished material over-ride the script, which is subject to change, which has and will continue to happen to Mr. Akira Toriyama.

So... you are basically picking what you like & treat you assumptions as facts in order to prove your point.

Nope.

Things that happened in the script didn't happen on screen It's common fact Toei doesn't use all of Toriyama's ideas, that is 100% fact.

Any opinion on my list using Freeza's 1.3M as correct?

Eh?

That sounded weird... Anyways, I enjoyed the list, but try and do it with the Daizenshuu's list of Goku being at 150 mill and Frieza at 120 mill. You'll see why I personally believe it to be impossible. Anywways, I'm going to try and do another one, so I'll be back shortly.

[Kaboom]

Jaco turned down a senzu for plot-related reasons, so that there'd be one left for Goku later. There, bickering over that topic can be over now.

[RandomGuy96]

Fun fact: the introductory page in volume 25 of the manga outright says that Goten and Trunks are stronger than Piccolo.

[dbgtFO]

Fun fact: the introductory page in volume 25 of the manga outright says that Goten and Trunks are stronger than Piccolo.

So that would be the last volume by normal standards?
Though it may not be the case in the japanese version, I can see why the editors at Viz would think that.

[RandomGuy96]

Fun fact: the introductory page in volume 25 of the manga outright says that Goten and Trunks are stronger than Piccolo.

So that would be the last volume by normal standards?
Though it may not be the case in the japanese version, I can see why the editors at Viz would think that.

Nah, the last is volume 26. I don't really see any reason to doubt Viz for the moment. The page in question:

[Kaboom]

Fun fact: the introductory page in volume 25 of the manga outright says that Goten and Trunks are stronger than Piccolo.

Aren't those little introductory bios and summaries just made up by Viz? I'm pretty sure the original manga volumes don't have equivalents to that. But I don't own any of the original 42 volumes in Japanese, so...

[RandomGuy96]

Fun fact: the introductory page in volume 25 of the manga outright says that Goten and Trunks are stronger than Piccolo.

Aren't those little introductory bios and summaries just made up by Viz? I'm pretty sure the original manga volumes don't have equivalents to that. But I don't own any of the original 42 volumes in Japanese, so...

Oh, are they? I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised, just thought that bit was interesting.

[h0kuten]

Nope, it's impossible, I can't do it. I've even got these:

Spoiler:

h0kuten's Power level list of impossibility

The Damn Bench-Marks

Goku
~Base 3,000,000
~Ssj 150,000,000

Frieza
~FP 120,000,000

Arrival of Trunks

Goku (Spent most of his time learning the IT)
~Base 3,200,000
~Ssj 160,000,000

Trunks
~Base 3,000,000
~Ssj 150,000,000

Mecha Frieza
~FP 135,000,000
~Suppressed 80,000,000

King Cold
~FP 100,000,000

The Androids

Goku
~Base 3,600,000
~Ssj 180,000,000
~Sick 170,000,000 (& Draining)

Vegeta
~Base 3,800,000
~Ssj 190,000,000

Trunks
~Base 3,200,000
~Ssj 160,000,000

PickyourNose
~FP 150,000,000
PickyourNose Upgrade (Kamicollo)
~FP 225,000,000
~Worn 175,000,000

Android 19
~Pre 100,000,000
~Post 150,000,000
Android 20
~Pre 105,000,000
~Post 125,000,000

Android 18
~FP 210,000,000 (Kicking Vegeta's ass due to her infinite stamina)
Android 17
~FP 220,000,000
Android 16
~FP 275,000,000

Imperfect Cell
~Pre 200,000,000
~Post 275,000,000

Cell is Complete

Vegeta
~Base 6,666,666 (uh oh)
~ssj 333,333,333
~SsjG2 500,000,000

Trunks
~Base 6,000,000
~Ssj 300,000,000
~SsjG2 450,000,000
~SsjG3 900,000,000

Semi-Perfect Cell
~Initial 350,000,000
~FP 400,000,000

Perfect Cell
~Initial 475,000,000
~Silent Power Up 800,000,000

Cell Games

Goku
~Base 21,000,000
~60% 720,000,000
~Ssj 1,050,000,000

Gohan
~Base 26,000,000
~Ssj 1,300,000,000
~Ssj2 2,600,000,000

Vegeta
~Base 15,000,000
~Ssj 750,000,000

PickyourNose
~FP 600,000,000

Cell Junior
~FP 800,000,000

Perfect Cell
~Silent Power Up 800,000,000
~Powered Up 1,100,000,000
~Increased Speed 1,200,000,000
~Real Speed 1,500,000,000
~Full Power 1,800,000,000
~Super Perfect 2,400,000,000

Majin Buu Saga

Goku
~Base 30,000,000
~Ssj 1,500,000,000
~SSj2 3,000,000,000
~Ssj3 12,000,000,000 (Lol holy shit!)

Vegeta
~Base 22,500,000
~Ssj 1,125,000,000
~Ssj2 2,250,000,000
~Majin 3,000,000,000

Gohan
~Base 18,000,000
~Ssj 900,000,000
~Ssj2 1,800,000,000
~Ultimate 18,000,000,000

Fat Buu
~Full Power 3,750,000,000

Gotenks Pre-ROST (Following Daizenshuu logic)
~Base 1,500,000,000
~Ssj 3,000,000,000

Gotenks Post-ROST
~Base 4,000,000,000
~Ssj 8,000,000,000
~Ssj3 16,000,000,000

Kid Buu
~FP 11,000,000,000
Super Buu
~FP 15,000,000,000
Buff Buu
~FP 16,000,000,000
Buutenks
~FP 31,000,000,000
Buuhan
~FP 33,000,000,000

Vegetto
~Base 30,000,000,000
~Ssj 90,000,000,000

BOG

Goku
~SSJG 80% 96,000,000,000
~SSJG 100% 120,000,000,000
~Base Post 12,000,000,000
~SSJ 96,000,000,000

Beerus
~FP 200,000,000,000

Whiss
~FP 300,000,000,000

Fukkatsu no F

Goku
~Base 12,000,000,000
~SSJG SS 150,000,000,000

Vegeta
~Base 11,200,000,000
~SSJG SS 140,000,000,000

Frieza
~1rst Form 1,300,000
~4th Form 294,000,000
~Golden 160,000,000,000

EOZ

Goku
~Base 12,000,000,000
~SSJG SS 150,000,000,000

Vegeta
~Base 12,000,000,000
~SSJG SS 150,000,000,000

Oob
~Calm 5
~Enraged 11,000,000,000

Even by turning the bloat unto maximum proportions it's impossible to make Frieza's 1,300,000 number work. I guess it's best to ignore it at this point and assume he surpassed his own expectations

@Randomguy26
Goku didn't see Vegeta die in the afterlife or Gohan, he told his friends specifically that they were dead BEFORE he returned to the afterlife.

You're also aware Viz states that Fat Buu is superior to Gotenks Ssj Pre-ROST?

[RandomGuy96]

@Randomguy26
Goku didn't see Vegeta die in the afterlife or Gohan, he told his friends specifically that they were dead BEFORE he returned to the afterlife.

You're also aware Viz states that Fat Buu is superior to Gotenks Ssj Pre-ROST?

So?

No, they don't. I've seen that argument and it's based off a very poor understanding of the English language. Even if it did say that, which it doesn't, we have Herms' translation of the original line.

[h0kuten]

@Randomguy26
Goku didn't see Vegeta die in the afterlife or Gohan, he told his friends specifically that they were dead BEFORE he returned to the afterlife.

You're also aware Viz states that Fat Buu is superior to Gotenks Ssj Pre-ROST?

So?

No, they don't. I've seen that argument and it's based off a very poor understanding of the English language. Even if it did say that, which it doesn't, we have Herms' translation of the original line.

So... why are you using Viz to make a point...

[RandomGuy96]

@Randomguy26
Goku didn't see Vegeta die in the afterlife or Gohan, he told his friends specifically that they were dead BEFORE he returned to the afterlife.

You're also aware Viz states that Fat Buu is superior to Gotenks Ssj Pre-ROST?

So?

No, they don't. I've seen that argument and it's based off a very poor understanding of the English language. Even if it did say that, which it doesn't, we have Herms' translation of the original line.

So... why are you using Viz to make a point...

Because, until I see the Herms line or proof that this page doesn't exist in the Japanese manga, I have no reason to doubt it. It's not really important anyway, the manga already shows and states who's superior, I just thought it would be fun to bring up.

[h0kuten]

Because, until I see the Herms line or proof that this page doesn't exist in the Japanese manga, I have no reason to doubt it. It's not really important anyway, the manga already shows and states who's superior, I just thought it would be fun to bring up.

I will not take the bait and get into another 'Trunks fought his dad' argument, ect, ect.

[dbgtFO]

Here's the page in japanese:

Spoiler:

As we can see it doesn't have mini-bios on Mr. Satan, Kaioshin, Elder Kaioshin and Majin Buu, so it might not correspond completely to the story summary either.

[RandomGuy96]

Here's the page in japanese:

Spoiler:

As we can see it doesn't have mini-bios on Mr. Satan, Kaioshin, Elder Kaioshin and Majin Buu, so it might not correspond completely to the story summary either.

Well. It exists, at least, so that's cool. I guess we can take it to the translation thread if someone is willing.

[miguelnuva1]

Frieza says he should be able to reach 1.3 million in 4 months but piccolo says the wish was nade almost 6 months ago, what I do is assume he ment 1.3 million times stronger.

Also if a person punchs 170 balloons while running and dogging they'll still get tired.

Finally Jako ran and used his laser gun to fight which is why he wasn't as tired.

[supercat]

Refraining from wiping out all thousand lackeys at once was probably counter productive in terms of conserving energy.

Frieza getting 1.3 million times stronger sounds about right.

[RandomGuy96]

Freeza says he should be able to reach 1.3 million in 4 months but piccolo says the wish was nade almost 6 months ago, what I do is assume he ment 1.3 million times stronger.

Except that's not what he said.

[Saiyan007]

You guys need to see the movie again gohan and piccolo don't look tired at all they took the beans for pure plot reasons.

Also if a person punchs 170 balloons while running and dogging they'll still get tired.

Are you seriously comparing a z warrior stamina to a human?

Goku back on snack way was running at hypersonic speeds for nearly 2 days near max speed

What human do you know can exert themselves for that long without dying of exhaustion

[Refraining from wiping out all thousand lackeys at once was probably counter productive in terms of conserving energy.

That makes no sense at all why would heavily supressing your power to defeat foes who are more than likely thousands-millions of times weaker than you cause you to lose energy?

It's like saying Beerus would lose energy from flicking 100000 emperor pilaf around