Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Sora Saiyan]

RE: 1.3 million
I see it as just a stupid estimate by Freeza. He had everybody quaking in there boots when he was just in first form, Gohan wasn't gonna risk fighting him again even though he could easily turn SSJ. Even Piccolo didn't see Freeza move when he almost killed Gohan, and I have Piccolo around Cell Jr level.

[RandomGuy96]

RE: 1.3 million
I see it as just a stupid estimate by Freeza. He had everybody quaking in there boots when he was just in first form, Gohan wasn't gonna risk fighting him again even though he could easily turn SSJ. Even Piccolo didn't see Freeza move when he almost killed Gohan, and I have Piccolo around Cell Jr level.

Piccolo's weaker than Zarbon in this movie. SS Gohan is also extremely weak seeing as how his base form can't beat a Zarbon level guy. Considering that, the 1.3 million number actually fits fairly well for Freeza's post-training full power.

[SaiyamanMS]

Did anyone notice the different pronunciation of Shu in the dub?

How did they pronounce it and how do they usually pronounce it?

Pilaf obviously didn't call him Shu, I think he called him by his Ocean name. Anybody else notice this?

I noticed, and it bugged me. (The only point of the dub that bugged me.) Can they get Huber back in the booth to rerecord the line before home release...?

Anyway, saw the film tonight. Absolutely loved it. Felt Goku vs. Freeza dragged on a bit though. Krillin's scenes prior to departing for the battlefield were probably my favourite parts of the film. (We Are!!)

Jaco was awesome fun too. Hope we get his manga animated at some point too.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Was I right and that they called him Shao instead of Shu? Because I couldn't exactly hear it 100% Mike, give us your wisdom

[SaiyamanMS]

Yeah, it was definitely "Shao" instead of "Shu".

[the1payday]

Spoiler:

I still hate the rewind of time. Why not just have Goku kill Freeza after he blew up the Earth and use the Dragon Balls on Namek to wish back everyone ? It just came off cheap to me. It would have made the death of the Earth feel more serious if they didn't do that.

Honestly, and I HATE to say this but:
The plot, the popular villain coming back to life (and watch out because he's miraculously WAY stronger), the new Super Saiyan forms, and most certainly the total joke that any of these villains could be equals to the current level good guys...it all just seems like GT again. Not like the original GT, but a "what if we took the most terrible ideas we could think of, made a cash grab by bringing a popular villain back, and otherwise just ignored stated facts by the existing cannon, but it's ok because Akira Toriyama's name is on it" kind of GT.

I don't see how the movie is like GT? Freeza coming back stronger made more sense then #17 did. He is Goku's most famous enemy and is the most iconic villain in the franchise. He has a major impact in the DB universe since his empire rule over 70 planets, destroy two major planets and is the reason why Goku became so strong on how he is today. He still been reference after his death in the Cell saga, Buu saga, DBZ Movie 8, 2008 Jump Special and Battle of Gods. It was good to see Freeza make a return without turning him into a jobber like he was in GT.

I don't get why iconic characters like Batman, Godzilla, James Bond and Spider-Man are allow to fight their most famous enemies again, but it's wrong for Goku to fight his famous enemies again ?

I don't know...just my opinion. I don't really view Dragon Ball in the same way as other American comic book series. The thing is, I don't have a problem with the movie at all if I just treat it as filler, same as the other movies. Just weird that they are pushing for these plot lines as the "cannon" continuation of the DB series. Again, if you liked it I'm envious, because I really wanted to.

[FoolsGil]

Saw the film last night with two other buddies. Only reason I say I'm a bigger fan than them is cuz they don't come here.

Anyways, Pros:

-Fight cinematography was great. I enjoy that the movie wasn't a beam spam fest

-Master Roshi's last hurrah was fantastic. One of my friends said that the horde's strongest were likely as high as Nappa, and the weakest were as low as a Saibaman. Good to know Master Roshi kept training these 15 years or so from when Raditz first showed up. Jaco's fights were hilarious and goofy too.

-And I'm glad that we actually had another character break the Freeza level of power besides the heroes. I'm talking about Shisami. At this point, Piccolo would have murdered Freeza back in the Freeza Saga, and Shisami were matching him blow for blow. That is amazing for the series, longest time the only things stronger than Freeza on the villains side were Androids and and Buu. And then this guy appears.

Bulma being a nuisance. lols I will never get tired of that.

Goku's and Freeza's fight was fantastic. It was why we were there and we were not dissapointed...to a point.

Cons
-Well I hated how we were all already supposed to know who Jaco was, and they name dropped Tights. I barely know who Jaco and Tights is from reading online but they was never introduced in the series proper, and based on how some movie goers gasped at certain parts in surprise, there were plenty of casual fans, and those who've only watched the anime who were probably going...'huh, Bulma has a sister? and Who's this alien fella?' Continuity Lockout: Not cool

-I got bored of the horde. Piccolo and Shisami were the highlight, and I wondered: Why are they the only duel? One thing I wished was changed, Master Roshi and Jaco had to deal with a smaller horde, and Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Gohan got their own opponent for a duel along with Piccolo.

Speaking of Gohan *rant*

Spoiler:

What, it's been 5 years since your fight with Buu now you're worthless? Herp Derp I can only get to Super Saiyan? What, is Super Saiyan 2 too much for you let alone mystic? Sure I'll get flamed, but you know what? Self-Preservation. Bad things keep happening on the planet you choose to live on, and you have a wife and daughter now-If Whis wasn't there, they would have been boned-for the love of Kami keep up with your training you blasted idiot!

Another issue was the last part of Goku's fight. non rant spoiler box-

Spoiler:

Goku should not have been almost done in with a laser beam. That goes against anything we have ever seen in the series. That's the equivalent of Krillin throwing a Kienzan and in fact lopping off Cell's head. It had nothing to do with Goku not being ready: Goku power was like in another plane of existence. It's a mosquito trying to draw blood from a brick wall: the attack should have just been tanked because the durability. At the most Goku would wince because it stung.

And finally, only thing I'm neutral on: Time constraints: You can only do so much. Okay. So, no Gotenks, Yamcha, Chaozu. Okay. Even though it would make more sense for 18 to pawn off Marron to someone else, don a turtle gi and join the fight, no 18, Okay..But Majin Buu should have fought. It would have been amazing to see Freeza duel Buu in his first form, and they would have been evenly matched, even if Buu's consistency is the only reason he can keep up in the fight, and he loses from exhaustion, the same time the heroes finish their fights. And Freeza still has enough energy to commit some genocide and remind Gohan to get back to training before Goku shows up. But I'm not calling it a con. It's a movie, you can only do so much.


Overall, better than any other DBZ movie before BoG.

[Sora Saiyan]

RE: 1.3 million
I see it as just a stupid estimate by Freeza. He had everybody quaking in there boots when he was just in first form, Gohan wasn't gonna risk fighting him again even though he could easily turn SSJ. Even Piccolo didn't see Freeza move when he almost killed Gohan, and I have Piccolo around Cell Jr level.

Piccolo's weaker than Zarbon in this movie. SS Gohan is also extremely weak seeing as how his base form can't beat a Zarbon level guy. Considering that, the 1.3 million number actually fits fairly well for Freeza's post-training full power.

I believe Shisami trained. Not much more to say really, and that makes more sense than Gohan going from above Super Boo to Zarbon level in a year. Hasn't it been stated by Toriyama that Piccolo trains in his spare time? It's even more illogical for him to take a colossal drop.

In the original script that Toriyama wrote, I don't think Shisami was there with Tagoma when that comparison to Zarbon and Dodoria was made, and I believe it also states that Shisami was a mercenary, not a Freeza soldier. I could be misremembering, but it rings a bell.

[White Oni]

In my opinion, we shouldn't be surprised that Gohan is where he's at.

"But only 5 years!" Uhhhh Actually it's been a lot longer that he's been slacking. He hasn't trained since his days with Goku in the HBTC...

Sure, he did become ultra powerful in the Buu saga, but if you don't maintain that those power ups are perminant, then it makes too much sense that this character who's hardly trained at all, should maintain such phenomenal power.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

RE: 1.3 million
I see it as just a stupid estimate by Freeza. He had everybody quaking in there boots when he was just in first form, Gohan wasn't gonna risk fighting him again even though he could easily turn SSJ. Even Piccolo didn't see Freeza move when he almost killed Gohan, and I have Piccolo around Cell Jr level.

Piccolo's weaker than Zarbon in this movie. SS Gohan is also extremely weak seeing as how his base form can't beat a Zarbon level guy. Considering that, the 1.3 million number actually fits fairly well for Freeza's post-training full power.

I believe Shisami trained. Not much more to say really, and that makes more sense than Gohan going from above Super Boo to Zarbon level in a year. Hasn't it been stated by Toriyama that Piccolo trains in his spare time? It's even more illogical for him to take a colossal drop.

In the original script that Toriyama wrote, I don't think Shisami was there with Tagoma when that comparison to Zarbon and Dodoria was made, and I believe it also states that Shisami was a mercenary, not a Freeza soldier. I could be misremembering, but it rings a bell.

Even if he didn't train I am pretty sure fatigue would have played apart in their fight with Shisami, especially considering they weren't trying to kill any of the mooks.

[Captain Space]

In my opinion, we shouldn't be surprised that Gohan is where he's at.

"But only 5 years!" Uhhhh Actually it's been a lot longer that he's been slacking. He hasn't trained since his days with Goku in the HBTC...

Sure, he did become ultra powerful in the Buu saga, but if you don't maintain that those power ups are perminant, then it makes too much sense that this character who's hardly trained at all, should maintain such phenomenal power.

I mean, he did train with the Z-Sword. And you wouldn't think such a short training session would make a difference compared to so many years of living peacefully, but apparently it did since his power rose significantly.

[Mewzard]

Another issue was the last part of Goku's fight. non rant spoiler box-

Spoiler:

Goku should not have been almost done in with a laser beam. That goes against anything we have ever seen in the series. That's the equivalent of Krillin throwing a Kienzan and in fact lopping off Cell's head. It had nothing to do with Goku not being ready: Goku power was like in another plane of existence. It's a mosquito trying to draw blood from a brick wall: the attack should have just been tanked because the durability. At the most Goku would wince because it stung.

Spoiler:

Do keep in mind in the manga, the Kienzan never failed to cut any foe no matter how much more powerful they were than Krillin. Krillin wasn't even stronger than a non-Guldo member of the Ginyu Force, yet he cut form 2 Freeza's tail, despite the one million power level. Krillin should straight up decapitate Cell with it.

But other than that, a big part of the movie was showing Goku his weakness and having him overcome them, to some degree.

Also, I saw the movie on Tuesday and loved it.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

RE: 1.3 million
I see it as just a stupid estimate by Freeza. He had everybody quaking in there boots when he was just in first form, Gohan wasn't gonna risk fighting him again even though he could easily turn SSJ. Even Piccolo didn't see Freeza move when he almost killed Gohan, and I have Piccolo around Cell Jr level.

Piccolo's weaker than Zarbon in this movie. SS Gohan is also extremely weak seeing as how his base form can't beat a Zarbon level guy. Considering that, the 1.3 million number actually fits fairly well for Freeza's post-training full power.

I believe Shisami trained. Not much more to say really, and that makes more sense than Gohan going from above Super Boo to Zarbon level in a year. Hasn't it been stated by Toriyama that Piccolo trains in his spare time? It's even more illogical for him to take a colossal drop.

In the original script that Toriyama wrote, I don't think Shisami was there with Tagoma when that comparison to Zarbon and Dodoria was made, and I believe it also states that Shisami was a mercenary, not a Freeza soldier. I could be misremembering, but it rings a bell.

SSj2 teen gohan was below fat buu. In the 7 years of no training gohan in the tournament saga was strong enough that the energy yamu and spopovich stole from him made buu reach HALF his full power. So even though gohan got weakr,his power didn't even HALF in SEVEN YEARS o no training.

So gohan getting from above SSJ3 Gotenks to around zarbon (and one hit borderline killed by frieza with a power level of 1.3 million) makes NO SENSE!

So how do we remedy this? Well we can't. But it reality we CAN just ignore the QUOTES about power in this movie. Because the FEATS and ACTIONS both don't match up with the lines. The way I see it is Shisami is ABOVE super buu base,frieza isn't at 1.3 million for his power level.

What happens on screen holds more wait then lines. Remember in the buu saga when gotten and trunks agreed they were EQUAL to base super buu as "super Gotenks"(whichever form that means)? Well we all know that's not true,even ssj1 Gotenks was stronger then super buu's base form. Just ignore the quotes,and focus on actions. It sucks when we fans have to fillthe plot holes up,but in DBZ it has to be one :3

[Captain Space]

So how do we remedy this? Well we can't. But it reality we CAN just ignore the QUOTES about power in this movie. Because the FEATS and ACTIONS both don't match up with the lines. The way I see it is Shisami is ABOVE super buu base,Freeza isn't at 1.3 million for his power level.

I wouldn't put Shisami quite that high even going by just feats. Clearly if Gohan's using SSJ, he just doesn't have his mystic 'form' and power any more, and I guess according to this movie it fades quicker than regular power. Shisami must be hella strong (going by feats alone) to cause Piccolo so much trouble, but if he can get taken out by a (non-fused) SSJ1 of some level, he's nowhere near any form of Buu.

(I also disagree with your point about Gotenks slightly, Super Buu seemed like he fell in between the power of SSJ1 Gotenks and SSJ3 Gotenks, but that's entirely besides the point.)

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

So how do we remedy this? Well we can't. But it reality we CAN just ignore the QUOTES about power in this movie. Because the FEATS and ACTIONS both don't match up with the lines. The way I see it is Shisami is ABOVE super buu base,Freeza isn't at 1.3 million for his power level.

I wouldn't put Shisami quite that high even going by just feats. Clearly if Gohan's using SSJ, he just doesn't have his mystic 'form' and power any more, and I guess according to this movie it fades quicker than regular power. Shisami must be hella strong (going by feats alone) to cause Piccolo so much trouble, but if he can get taken out by a (non-fused) SSJ1 of some level, he's nowhere near any form of Buu.

(I also disagree with your point about Gotenks slightly, Super Buu seemed like he fell in between the power of SSJ1 Gotenks and SSJ3 Gotenks, but that's entirely besides the point.)

I put mystic gohan over 2x the power of super buu,and if gohan doesn't decline after 7 years by half his power, I doubt he loses half hispower in 1 year. I don't think the mystic power up went away,I think the SSJ GOD ritual gave gohan back his ssj form,as it made him go ssj when 10 minute before the ritual gohan was mystic. Also ssj1 gotenks made supe buu regenerate so ssj gotenks>>super buu. I agree off topic, that'd be for private messages o a powe levels forum. I'm game for a friendly debate if you are

[Captain Space]

I mean, he went SSJ in BoG because he presumably could do it the entire time, it just wouldn't increase his power while he was still mystic, all it'd do would be to use up energy unnecessarily. At least that's how I interpreted that scene. Whereas in RF he needed SSJ to increase his power. (The discrepancy between the two movies' use of SSJ is probably due to the fact that the writers likely planned for him to fight in SSJ in BoG too, but then changing it at the last minute.)

I don't mind leaving it as you having a different opinion to me, but just so you know, I put that down to the only attack Gotenks used that made Buu need to regenerate being a super-powerful ki technique (like Piccolo's Makankosappo killing Raditz, or base Goku slicing Buutenks in half, or whatever). But like I said, fine that you disagree, we have no actual evidence it was necessarily a concentration-type technique like those.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

This is one of the reasons why I prefer Kanzenshuu over DBZ's youtube community. Maturity. Something I gotta point out is Old kai told Gohan to go SSJ or as he put it "that super saiyan thing" he does. So when Gohan tries to go SSJ,he goes mystic instead(good because this saves energy.) So it HAD to be the ritual that gave him back the transformation. This is just another reason they shoulda done a 3rd ritual and made gohan a God. It'd be usefull when they were stalling for frieza.

[Captain Space]

Hmm, that's true. Still, it could be either:

1. Gohan later figured out he could still (pointlessly) turn SSJ at some point after the Buu saga.

or 2. The SSJG ritual gave Gohan the ability to go SSJ again, unclear if this is an upgrade from mystic, a downgrade, or equivalent power but looks shinier.

Either is possible, and the only reason I consider them to be equally likely is because either way it isn't actually explained; neither of these things is shown or mentioned happening, we just see Gohan fight in mystic and go SSJ for the ritual. It only really makes total sense from an out-of-universe perspective anyway, with the probably last-minute change.

[dbzfan7]

Throw away every preconception about battle powers, and the movie is pretty clear on what it's trying to say.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Throw away every preconception about battle powers

Something every fan should have done a long, long time ago really. Especially with emphasis on the bolded.