Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Polyphase Avatron]

Couldn't that refer to them as Gotenks, not separately? As in, Goten and Trunks when fused as Gotenks are the strongest on Earth?

[RandomGuy96]

Couldn't that refer to them as Gotenks, not separately? As in, Goten and Trunks when fused as Gotenks are the strongest on Earth?

No, because it said Goten and Trunks, not Gotenks. If it meant Gotenks, it would have said Gotenks (note that they're the strongest heroes, plural; as in they're both individually stronger than the rest). You're really, really reaching here.

[Doctor.]

Eh?

That sounded weird... Anyways, I enjoyed the list, but try and do it with the Daizenshuu's list of Goku being at 150 mill and Freeza at 120 mill. You'll see why I personally believe it to be impossible. Anywways, I'm going to try and do another one, so I'll be back shortly.

Yea, the wording was very poor on my part.

It's most likely impossible, since Goku's already at 3 million following the Daizenshuu numbers and unless you argue that his base form got weaker as the series goes on, then you really can't do anything about it. Even my 'real' PL list, which is very minimalist, has Goku at 16M.

I made this list to 'prove' that the 1.3M doesn't necessarily contradict anything in the manga, though.

[Hugo Boss]

Couldn't that refer to them as Gotenks, not separately? As in, Goten and Trunks when fused as Gotenks are the strongest on Earth?

I guess it could go either way, Fusion is part of their arsenal. The description also mentions their training. Not to mention, the part when Goku watches from the afterlife Boo killing Vegeta and defeating Gohan is odd.

[h0kuten]

Couldn't that refer to them as Gotenks, not separately? As in, Goten and Trunks when fused as Gotenks are the strongest on Earth?

No, because it said Goten and Trunks, not Gotenks. If it meant Gotenks, it would have said Gotenks (note that they're the strongest heroes, plural; as in they're both individually stronger than the rest). You're really, really reaching here.

It's not even confirmed to be in the manga. Please stop acting like your reasoning is fact and belittling someone else's opinion when yours is the one that is currently reaching.

[RandomGuy96]

Couldn't that refer to them as Gotenks, not separately? As in, Goten and Trunks when fused as Gotenks are the strongest on Earth?

No, because it said Goten and Trunks, not Gotenks. If it meant Gotenks, it would have said Gotenks (note that they're the strongest heroes, plural; as in they're both individually stronger than the rest). You're really, really reaching here.

It's not even confirmed to be in the manga. Please stop acting like your reasoning is fact and belittling someone else's opinion when yours is the one that is currently reaching.

My reasoning is fact, because it says that Goten and Trunks are the strongest two, not that Gotenks is the strongest. The way it's phrased ("now that Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan are gone, Goten and Trunks are the strongest heroes") makes this even clearer (not that it should even be necessary, since again it said Goten and Trunks, not Gotenks, who is a separate character). Poly just doesn't like them.

[h0kuten]

The Viz also states Gotenks Pre-ROST is inferior to Fat Buu in every way.

Say you to adhere to that and I may take your reasoning seriously.

[RandomGuy96]

The Viz also states Gotenks Pre-ROST is inferior to Fat Buu in every way.

Say you to adhere to that and I may take your reasoning seriously.

No it doesn't I've seen this argument before. It's based on a very poor grasp of the English language. Anyway, I go with Viz here because I have no reason not to believe it, and don't go with Viz on most other things because Herms has literal translations of all the strength quotes. What's so hard to grasp?

[h0kuten]

The Viz also states Gotenks Pre-ROST is inferior to Fat Buu in every way.

Say you to adhere to that and I may take your reasoning seriously.

No it doesn't I've seen this argument before. It's based on a very poor grasp of the English language. Anyway, I go with Viz here because I have no reason not to believe it, and don't go with Viz on most other things because Herms has literal translations of all the strength quotes. What's so hard to grasp?

Piccolo flat out says 'He is still superior to you in every way'.

[RandomGuy96]

The Viz also states Gotenks Pre-ROST is inferior to Fat Buu in every way.

Say you to adhere to that and I may take your reasoning seriously.

No it doesn't I've seen this argument before. It's based on a very poor grasp of the English language. Anyway, I go with Viz here because I have no reason not to believe it, and don't go with Viz on most other things because Herms has literal translations of all the strength quotes. What's so hard to grasp?

Piccolo flat out says 'He is still superior to you in every way'.

Which doesn't necessarily refer to Fat Buu. Why you're still prattling on about this when I already said that Viz's interpretation doesn't matter when have the literal translations, I have no idea.

[h0kuten]

It does. still, means he was prior to the split and after the split.

[RandomGuy96]

It does. still, means he was prior to the split and after the split.

No it doesn't. It means "even though you're very strong, it isn't enough". "Still" doesn't necessitate that he be referring to Fat Buu, he's referring to how Gotenks' impressive power doesn't change the current state of affairs, with Super Buu. Also, this doesn't matter. Again.

[Hero]

Well, I'd say it's about time I posted some of my power levels. Feel free to discuss and/or flame!

Multipliers:
SSJ/ MSSJ: x50
ASSJ: x75
USSJ: x100 (massive speed loss and drain)
SSJ2: x100
SSJ3: x400
SSJGSSJ: x1.5 God Base

Frieza

Frieza:
(1st Form)- 530,000
(2nd Form)- 1,200,000
(3rd Form)- 1,800,000
(4th) - 3,600,000
(50%)- 60,000,000
(70%)- 84,000,000
(100%)- 120,000,000

Goku: 3,000,000
KKx20: 60,000,000
Spirit Bomb: 100,000,000
SSJ: 150,000,000

Vegeta (Post- Recoome): 250,000
("Post- Krillin" Zenkai): 2,200,000

Gohan: 200,000
(Post- 2nd Form Frieza Zenkai): 500,000

Piccolo: 125,000
(Post- Fusion with Nail): 1,250,000

Krillin: 75,000
Tien: 60,000
Yamcha: 50,000
Chiaotzu: 10,000

Yeah, even though it's filler I still believe the humans could've taken out the Ginyu Force if they ever had to.

Mecha Frieza

Mecha Frieza: 160,000,000
King Cold: 90,000,000

Trunks: 3,500,000
SSJ: 175,000,000

Goku: 4,000,000
SSJ: 200,000,000

Vegeta: 3,200,000

Piccolo: 3,000,000

Gohan: 1,000,000

Krillin: 150,000
Tien: 120,000
Yamcha: 60,000
Chiaotzu: 12,000

Androids
Goku: 5,000,000
SSJ: 250,000,000
Sick SSJ: 225,000,000
"Dying" SSJ: 112,500,000

Vegeta: 5,250,000
SSJ: 262,500,000

Trunks: 4,500,000
SSJ: 225,000,000

Piccolo: 190,000,000
Kamiccolo: 380,000,000

Gohan: 4,000,000

Android 19: 100,000,000
Post: 150,000,000

Android 20: 120,000,000
Post: 160,000,000

Android 18: 370,000,000
Android 17: 380,000,000
Android 16: 600,000,000

Krillin: 450,000
Tien: 360,000
Yamcha: 180,000
Chiaotzu: 25,000

Cell

Imperfect Cell (Initial): 300,000,000
Imperfect Cell (Post- Genocide): 600,000,000

Semi- Perfect Cell: 900,000,000

Vegeta (Post- RoSaT): 18,000,000
SSJ: 900,000,000
ASSJ: 1,350,000,000

Trunks: 17,000,000
SSJ: 875,000,000
ASSJ: 1,700,000,000

Perfect Cell (suppressed): 1,500,000,000

The Cell Games

Goku: 60,000,000
MSSJ: 3,000,000,000

Vegeta: 42,000,000
SSJ: 2,100,000,000
Raging (when Trunks dies): 6,300,000,000

Trunks: 40,000,000
SSJ: 2,000,000,000

Piccolo: 1,600,000,000

Gohan: 75,000,000
MSSJ: 3,750,000,0000
SSJ2: 7,500,000,000
Raging SSJ2: 8,500,000,000

Cell Junior: 2,400,000,000

Perfect Cell (vs. Goku): 3,200,000,000
("Real Speed"): 3,600,000,000
(Full Power): 4,800,000,000
Buff Cell: 6,400,000,000

Super Perfect Cell: 8,000,000,000

Fat Buu

Goku: 90,000,000
MSSJ: 4,500,000,000
SSJ2: 9,000,000,000
SSJ3: 36,000,000,000

Vegeta: 70,000,000
MSSJ: 3,500,000,000
SSJ2: 7,000,000,000

Gohan (Before training for the tournament): 48,000,000
MSSJ: 2,400,000,000
SSJ2: 4,800,000,000

Gohan (Post-training): 56,000,000
MSSJ: 2,800,000,000
SSJ2: 5,600,000,000

Piccolo: 2,100,000,000

Goten: 30,000,000
MSSJ: 1,500,000,000

Trunks: 32,000,000
MSSJ: 1,600,000,000

Supreme Kai: 2,400,000,000
Kibito: 50,000,000

Pui Pui: 1,800,000
Yakon: 100,000,000
Dabura: 3,200,000,000

Fat Buu: 18,000,000

Gotenks (Pre): 360,000,000
MSSJ: 18,000,000,000

Krillin: 425,000
Tien: 390,000
Yamcha: 120,000
Chiaotzu: 30,000

The Other Buus

Goten (Post): 40,000,000
MSSJ: 2,000,000,000

Trunks: 42,000,000
MSSJ: 2,100,000,000

Gotenks: 720,000,000
MSSJ: 36,000,000,000
SSJ2: 72,000,000,000
SSJ3: 288,000,000,000

Mystic Gohan: 480,000,000,000

Super Buu: 320,000,000,000
Buff Buu: 396,000,000,000
Buutenks: 608,000,000,000
Buuhan: 800,000,000,000

Kid Buu: 32,000,000,000

Vegito: 320,000,000,000
MSSJ: 16,000,000,000,000
SSJ2: 32,000,000,000,000
SSJ3: 128,000,000,000,000

Gogeta: 40,000,000,000
MSSJ: 2,000,000,000,000
SSJ2: 4,000,000,000,000
SSJ3: 16,000,000,000,000

Trunkten (Portara): 5,760,000,000
MSSJ: 288,000,000,000
SSJ2: 576,000,000,000
SSJ3: 2,304,000,000,000

Battle of Gods

Goku: 95,000,000
MSSJ: 4,750,000,000
SSJ2: 9,500,000,000
SSJ3: 38,000,000,000

Vegeta: 92,500,000
MSSJ: 4,625,000,000
SSJ2: 9,250,000,000
Raging SSJ2:46,250,000,000
Raging SSJ2 Galick Gun: 92,500,000,000

Piccolo: 2,400,000,000

Gotenks: 360,000,000
MSSJ: 18,000,000,000
Goten, Trunks and Gotenks are all back to Pre levels

Gohan: 320,000,000,000
And Gohan is now only as strong as Super Buu

SSJG Goku: 234,000,000,000,000
Base Godku: 156,000,000,000,000
MSSJ Godku (vs. Beerus): 195,000,000,000,000

Beerus: 390,000,000,000,000
Whis: 585,000,000,000,000

Krillin: 420,000
Tien: 410,000
Yamcha: 100,000
Chiaotzu: 32,000

Resurrection F

Frieza:
1st - 689,000,000,000
2nd- 1,560,000,000,000
3rd- 2,340,000,000,000
4th- 4,680,000,000,000
50%- 78,000,000,000,000
70%- 109,200,000,000,000
100%- 156,000,000,000,000

Golden Frieza- 312,000,000,000,000
I took the line of Frieza saying he would reach a power level of 1.3 million and made him 1.3 million times stronger instead since that makes much more sense.

Goku/ Vegeta: 195,000,000,000,000
SSJGSSJ: 292,500,000,000,000

Piccolo: 2,500,000,000

Gohan: 60,000,000
SSJ: 3,000,000,000
R.I.P. Gohan

Shisami: 1,600,000,000

Master Roshi: 1,000
Krillin: 440,000
Being a police officer + sparring with Andorid 18 has got him back to near his Android Saga self
Tien: 415,000
Chiaoztu: 33,000

Yamcha (Real): 95,000
Yamcha (What Tien thinks): 95


So yeah, let me know what you think!

[h0kuten]

It does. still, means he was prior to the split and after the split.

No it doesn't. It means "even though you're very strong, it isn't enough". "Still" doesn't necessitate that he be referring to Fat Buu, he's referring to how Gotenks' impressive power doesn't change the current state of affairs, with Super Buu. Also, this doesn't matter. Again.

That is totally incorrect. Sheer conjecture and a biased interpretation.

[Kamiccolo9]

It does. still, means he was prior to the split and after the split.

No it doesn't. It means "even though you're very strong, it isn't enough". "Still" doesn't necessitate that he be referring to Fat Buu, he's referring to how Gotenks' impressive power doesn't change the current state of affairs, with Super Buu. Also, this doesn't matter. Again.

That is totally incorrect. Sheer conjecture and a biased interpretation.

No, it's basic English.

[h0kuten]

Defition of still: up to and including the present or the time mentioned; even now (or then) as formerly or nevertheless; all the same.

Fat Buu > Gotenks Ssj Pre

Confirmed. GG

[Kamiccolo9]

Defition of still: up to and including the present or the time mentioned; even now (or then) as formerly or nevertheless; all the same.

Fat Buu > Gotenks Ssj Pre

Confirmed. GG

Except "still" in that sentence wasn't referring to the timeframe you are talking about. It was referring to Gotenks' power in general.

[h0kuten]

Defition of still: up to and including the present or the time mentioned; even now (or then) as formerly or nevertheless; all the same.

Fat Buu > Gotenks Ssj Pre

Confirmed. GG

Except "still" in that sentence wasn't referring to the timeframe you are talking about. It was referring to Gotenks' power in general.

No it was not.

It was a reference of time.

[Kamiccolo9]

Defition of still: up to and including the present or the time mentioned; even now (or then) as formerly or nevertheless; all the same.

Fat Buu > Gotenks Ssj Pre

Confirmed. GG

Except "still" in that sentence wasn't referring to the timeframe you are talking about. It was referring to Gotenks' power in general.

No it was not.

It was a reference of time.

20 years of education along with a year and a half of teaching collegiate history and 3 works published in academic journals tell me otherwise. I would appreciate if you would not presume to tell me how the English language works, and maybe, just maybe, assume that I may actually know what I am talking about.

Thank you and good day.

[h0kuten]

Incorrect regardless.