"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

I want to see Vegeta as a Super Saiyan 3! I WANT! I WANT! I WANT!

I highly doubt Super is gonna give us SSJ3 Vegeta. It would be beyond redundant given it'll only happen for that one scene where Vegeta loses his shit aft Beerus hits Bulma. After that, SSJ3 Vegeta will most likely never appear again.

At least SS3 Vegeta would do a better job of explaining how he surpassed Goku when he has never shown such incredible rage boosts before. Plus, it'd be fanservice for any people who want to see it, so it's a win-win anyway.

[fadeddreams5]

I hope he gets his rage boost while in his base form this time.

[MaGyunia]

I want to see Vegeta as a Super Saiyan 3! I WANT! I WANT! I WANT!

I highly doubt Super is gonna give us SSJ3 Vegeta. It would be beyond redundant given it'll only happen for that one scene where Vegeta loses his shit aft Beerus hits Bulma. After that, SSJ3 Vegeta will most likely never appear again.

If you read the full explanation of my theory on why he COULD or should go Super Saiya-jin 3 either in this thread or in another one a few days ago (I actually explained in-depth it more than once), then you would understand why I go against the entire idea of it being "redundant". I understand your point of view, though. Everyone has to understand that my theory on a Super Saiya-jin 3 Vegeta at some point has to do with the fact that I want my theory proven correct, not because the physical traits and characteristics of the stage are particularly appealing to me, especially when applied to Vegeta.

[sintzu]

I hope he gets his rage boost while in his base form this time.

Vegeta getting a mystic form without sitting with old kai for 24 hours ? do you want the Gohan fans to start committing suicide ?

[Doctor.]

I hope he gets his rage boost while in his base form this time.

You just wanna watch the world burn, don't you?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I want to see Vegeta as a Super Saiyan 3! I WANT! I WANT! I WANT!

I highly doubt Super is gonna give us SSJ3 Vegeta. It would be beyond redundant given it'll only happen for that one scene where Vegeta loses his shit aft Beerus hits Bulma. After that, SSJ3 Vegeta will most likely never appear again.

Not only that but isn't SS3 an otherworldly transformation? Goku achieved it in otherworld and struggled to keep it sustained on Earth and it rinsed his Earth time too considerably, meanwhile Gotenks achieved it because of the power of fusion, also didn't SS3 rinse their fusion time too? At any rate I don't think it is possible at all to transform into SS3 just because your angry for a split second. I know people harp on about how Vegeta surpassed Goku in SS2 state but that makes sense, it happened only for those few seconds, the way I see it Vegeta's body couldn't physically handle/ become the SS3 transformation (for reasons I stated) so it did the next best thing and gave a huge kind of like adrenaline shot if you will to SS2 form and so because of this Vegeta was able to keep up for those few seconds, that is how I rationale the whole rage boost thing in my head anyway.

[sintzu]

Isn't SS3 an otherworldly transformation?

That's a fan theory that was never said in any official product.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Isn't SS3 an otherworldly transformation?

That's a fan theory that was never said in any official product.

But there is evidence to support this though. Goku could prat around in SS2 just fine but all of sudden he goes SS3 his time on Earth suddenly rinses.

[MaGyunia]

Besides, to be honest, although it is theoretically possible to get a power boost after a trigger (namely, anger, as in most cases of Super Saiya-jin transformations in several characters throughout DBZ), which is what we were presented to in BoG when Vegeta is said to have "surpassed Goku" (without undergoing an actual SSJ physical transformation Goku had already attained a long time ago), I've always viewed the whole thing about Vegeta surpassing Goku after Bulma gets beaten by Beerus as poorly explained and going against a number of theories on how the Super Saiya-jin transformations work regarding their respective boost in power, etc.

Don't get me wrong, Vegeta is my favorite character in the entirety of Dragonball, and I do want him to at least FINALLY be on par with Goku and surpass him (although this one, despite having happened temporarily in the past, will never be a full-time concept, as Goku will always be AT LEAST as strong as Vegeta, or "one step ahead of him"), and I can even understand the main - or sole - reason to say that he surpassed Goku when he attacks Beerus for the second time in BoG (the reason being to show that he deeply cares about his family and can lose and go in a rampage against ANYBODY if someone just happens to threaten, torture, kill or injure his deep-down loved ones), but without actually undergoing a physical, actual transformation into the next stage of Super Saiya-jin (Super Saiya-jin 3), I've always regarded the possibility of him having surpassed Goku, who was/is in fact a Super Saiya-jin 3, almost as a plot-hole, but maybe I'm being or have always been too much of a purist regarding my theories on how exactly each Super Saiya-jin transformation works and how much of an increase in power each one of them grants, and/or on what exact limits in terms of power are "imposed" to each Super Saiya-jin stage.

Basically, the whole theory I presented a few days ago on the possibility of Vegeta going Super Saiya-jin 3 either during or after the Beerus arc in DBSuper has until now had a percentage of probability of coming true of 5%, and now, with the episode title(s), and with the word "henshin", it has just risen to 20% or something.

[irreality]

...and now, with the episode title(s), and with the word "henshin", it has just risen to 20% or something.

They did *not* use Henshin.

know people harp on about how Vegeta surpassed Goku in SS2 state but that makes sense, it happened only for those few seconds, the way I see it Vegeta's body couldn't physically handle/ become the SS3 transformation (for reasons I stated) so it did the next best thing and gave a huge kind of like adrenaline shot if you will to SS2 form and so because of this Vegeta was able to keep up for those few seconds, that is how I rationale the whole rage boost thing in my head anyway.

That is how I see it in my head, too.

[MaGyunia]

They did *not* use Henshin.

Sorry, my bad. I just arrived home and found an entire page with the news on the names of the episodes and I guess I read your posts in the last page too hastily. But anyway, "transformation" is there anyway. The possibilities I've postulated in my last posts still apply. "Transformation" could mean he'll indeed undergo a physical Super Saiya-jin transformation into the next stage (Super Saiya-jin 3), or it could simply mean he'll just go insane and ballistic, which is a "transformation" of character/personality/psychological makeup.

...and now, with the episode title(s), and with the word "henshin", it has just risen to 20% or something.

They did *not* use Henshin.

know people harp on about how Vegeta surpassed Goku in SS2 state but that makes sense, it happened only for those few seconds, the way I see it Vegeta's body couldn't physically handle/ become the SS3 transformation (for reasons I stated) so it did the next best thing and gave a huge kind of like adrenaline shot if you will to SS2 form and so because of this Vegeta was able to keep up for those few seconds, that is how I rationale the whole rage boost thing in my head anyway.

That is how I see it in my head, too.

That goes against the theories I've held on the limits "imposed" to each of the Super Saiya-jin stages, and that's why I've always found the entire "Vegeta surpassing Goku" in BoG after losing it over Bulma almost a plot-hole, but I could be very well wrong all along and there can be indeed the possibility of having more power in a "lesser" Super Saiya-jin stage than another with a "higher" Super Saiya-jin stage given the right circumstances.

[Captain Space]

Goku does actually say SSJ3 isn't meant to be used in the living world (shortly after first using it), so it drains his spirit body's time on Earth, and his living body's stamina (and Gotenks' fusion time).

With that said, if Vegeta is gonna transform, they could make it make sense given this if they just have him do it for a few seconds in that moment of anger or whatever, have it be a "heat of the moment" thing, not a transformation he gains permanently, i.e. can't fully achieve it on the mortal plane, only kinda sorta partially.

[MaGyunia]

Setting the whole debate over Vegeta going Super Saiya-jin 3 or not aside for a moment, and going back to the episode's titles and what they mean, or could mean, regarding the events and the time it will take to get through the entirety of the Beerus arc:

6. Don't offend the God of Destruction! Heart-pounding Birthday Party.
7. How dare you, that is my Bulma! Angry Vegeta's Transformation!
8. Goku is watching! Last Chance from Beerus-sama!
9. Thank you for waiting Beerus-sama, Finally Super Saiyan God is born.

I'm not going to go and watch BoG in detail again to check on how each of the events hinted at with these titles correspond to the timing at which the same events take place in the movie, but I honestly thought that we'd get a Vegeta vs Beerus-focused episode sooner and especially Goku achieving Super Saiya-jin God (through the ritual shown in the movie or through some other method) MUCH sooner. I don't see the point at this stage of episode 8 (as in, after everyone - including Vegeta - gets their asses kicked by Beerus, Goku's (re)appearance and proceeding to understand what and how a Super Saiya-jin God is and how he can achieve it should follow almost immediately), but I'll have to see exactly how they put things together in each episode to decide if it was really the right thing to do to stretch it out so much.

By having Goku transform into Super Saiya-jin God only in episode 9 (regardless of whether it's at the beginning, in the middle or at the end of the episode), it also means that their fight will arguably take place in episode 10 and possibly spilling out to 11, with the aftermath (Beerus "destroying" Earth, Whis' proposition to Goku, Beerus and Whis leaving, Beerus pondering on the fight he just had, etc.) in episode 12. If that's right, 12 episodes to retell BoG in its entirety can't be considered too much, either. It doesn't actually go far beyond what we estimated (10/12 episodes).

Back to Vegeta vs Beerus, not only do I hope that their fight is stretched out a lot in the series' version of the events, and it appears it will, taking into account the title of episode 7, I also hope that Vegeta manages to hold his own against Beerus for quite a while and goes beyond landing a few extremely powerful punches and kicks and an enormously and massively destructive Ki blast at Beerus only to be KO'd with a single pressure-point attack to his forehead, like in BoG. I hope he takes the opportunity his boost in power due to losing it over Bulma provides him to fight somewhat toe-to-toe with Beerus for a few minutes, (despite Beerus being holding back all along, of course), displaying Vegeta's fighting genius (which might actually be more present in his first "normal" attempt, before he goes insane after Bulma being hit by Beerus, as he's in his normal state of mind at that moment).

I've confessed this for the first time here very recently for the first time yesterday or something, but I also hope Piccolo is given the (fighting) time he deserves. I know he's below fat Majin Buu and Ultimate Gohan as far as power goes, but, although he should be KO'd just as effortlessly by Beerus as he is in BoG, I want him to throw a desperate Makankosappo at Beerus or something along those lines.

[soulnova]

Goku does actually say SSJ3 isn't meant to be used in the living world (shortly after first using it), so it drains his spirit body's time on Earth, and his living body's stamina (and Gotenks' fusion time).

With that said, if Vegeta is gonna transform, they could make it make sense given this if they just have him do it for a few seconds in that moment of anger or whatever, have it be a "heat of the moment" thing, not a transformation he gains permanently, i.e. can't fully achieve it on the mortal plane, only kinda sorta partially.

Exactly. I was going to point this out. It was said in both manga and anime by Goku. It was also the reason he couldn't keep up with Kid Buu even when he tried to "recharge". The strain on his body was simply too much. I always got the impression that doing the transformation while being alive actually shortens your lifespan too for using too much energy.... which is the reason I wrote the story on my sig.

I simply don't like the idea of anyone else having the transformation... unless they are dead and training on the otherworld.

[fadeddreams5]

Goku does actually say SSJ3 isn't meant to be used in the living world (shortly after first using it), so it drains his spirit body's time on Earth, and his living body's stamina (and Gotenks' fusion time).

With that said, if Vegeta is gonna transform, they could make it make sense given this if they just have him do it for a few seconds in that moment of anger or whatever, have it be a "heat of the moment" thing, not a transformation he gains permanently, i.e. can't fully achieve it on the mortal plane, only kinda sorta partially.

Exactly. I was going to point this out. It was said in both manga and anime by Goku. It was also the reason he couldn't keep up with Kid Buu even when he tried to "recharge". The strain on his body was simply too much. I always got the impression that doing the transformation while being alive actually shortens your lifespan too for using too much energy.... which is the reason I wrote the story on my sig.

I simply don't like the idea of anyone else having the transformation... unless they are dead and training on the otherworld.

Yeah, I agree. It always irked me that Gotenks got it, but I like to think it's because he's drawing from two separate ki sources, if that makes sense.

[Captain Space]

I assumed that fusions generally just "break the rules", given that Goten and Trunks can't go SSJ3 on their own (to our knowledge). Sort of the same way that Vegetto can lolnope being turned into candy. A fusion is more than the sum of its parts to the extent that the normal 'rules' just don't apply to them.

Alternatively/additionally, there's the fact that they achieved SSJ3 in the RoSaT. That might have similar conditions to Otherworld.

So maybe the requirements to achieve SSJ3 are:

1. Abnormal body (spirit/fusion)
2. Enhanced training location (Otherworld/RoSaT)

[FortuneSSJ]

If would be cool if this time when Vegeta gets the rage boost, roshi just says "Incredible. But Goku is still stronger."

[Captain Space]

And then all the Vegeta fans explode.

[BeholdeR]

I would not like to see ssj3 Vegeta, just doesn't make sense much at all.

ssj3 transformation not to never use it again when get gets god mode soon anyway ;_;

Sure the rage boost must of been massive, but its not like Beerus was even trying that much against him.

[Lord Beerus]

If would be cool if this time when Vegeta gets the rage boost, roshi just says "Incredible. But Goku is still stronger."

Many Dragon Ball forums would go into mini-meltdown if that happened.