The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ZombieVito]

Base Vegeta (DBS) vs Base Goku (DBS, no KK).

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Base Vegeta (DBS) vs Base Goku (DBS, no KK).

Goku.

[supercat]

New matchs (equal power and limited stamina):

- Android 14 x Zarbon
- Bujin x Android 19
- Coola x Mirai Gohan
- Dr. Wheelo x Dr. Gero
- FPSSJ Gohan (Android Arc) x FPSSJ Gohan (Boo Arc)
- Goten x Tambourine
- Kid Boo x Super Android 17
- Son Gohan (Uranai Baba Arc) x Bardock (TV Special 1)
- Vegeta (3 years training for the Androids) x Mecha Freeza
- Yajirobe x Piccolo Daimaoh

-Neither one of these fighters have ever left the impression that they were anything spectacular. Zarbon in particular just seemed like a brute who only knew how to bully his way into victory.

-Two fighters equipped with unique abilities. With proper usage of his psychic powers, Bujin should be able to turn this android into a pile of broken down motors and gears. That said, if the space pirate is unable to adequately paralyze his opponent, it's quite likely that he'll fall into a vicious cycle of having his energy forcefully sapped and used against him.

-I feel like the Cold family possesses remarkable hand to hand combat skills that only a few could rival. Their unique bodies seem to grant them the ability to acrobatically maneuver around their opponents in ways that most fighters would have an exceptionally difficult time keeping up with. Couple that with their unrivaled durability and yeah, that's one tough family. That said, Future Gohan has also rightfully earned himself a spot as a strategically gifted fighter, so in my opinion it could really go either way.

-After years of observing the Z-Fighters, I'd say Gero has obtained enough information to be able to trump a giant brain.

-If this is Gohan prior to his trip to the RoSaT, then he loses due to his lack of experience.

-If I had to take a guess, I'd say Goten.

-Kid Buu's relentless nature, insane regeneration, and unrivaled stamina are all assets that work in his favor. Barring the ability to absorb energy, Super 17 really has no chance of winning here.

-After conquering numerous planets, Bardock probably has more experience encountering different types of fighters. That said, being the wise master he is, Gohan should at the least be able to put up a good fight.

-Vegeta, along with Piccolo and Frieza, are probably only second to Goku in terms of battle prowess. After trading several blows and giving each other a good beating, I'd say Vegeta would eventually be the one to come out on top.

-Piccolo probably wins this with moderate levels of difficulty.

[Sayo-chan]

For the following, assume the fighters have equal battle powers, in a Thunderdome type situation.

Android 17 VS. Freeza (final form-100%)
Raditz VS. Nappa
Eastern Kaioshin VS. Mr. Satan
Imperfect Cell VS. Captain Ginyu

[Doctor.]

For the following, assume the fighters have equal battle powers, in a Thunderdome type situation.

Android 17 VS. Freeza (final form-100%)
Raditz VS. Nappa
Eastern Kaioshin VS. Mr. Satan
Imperfect Cell VS. Captain Ginyu

Freeza. He's likely more skilled since #17 was just a random human for most of his life with little battle experience. And even though Freeza's Ki would decrease rapidly (especially if he's using his full power) he still has a huge variety of techniques that could likely destroy him. If all else fails, blowing up the planet is available.
I'll say Nappa, he's older, and for Saiyans that's a great achievement, he has enough experience to make him a skilled enough warrior to match Goku even his power is no match. Nappa wouldn't be fooled by Raditz's tricks, either.
I want to say Mr. Satan, but even if Kaioshin isn't as skilled in hand-to-hand combat (and even then, he probably is, since he's a God and all that), he still has a wide range of Ki techniques he can use while staying way, flying in the air.
Cell. He's as skilled as Goku and the others, which in my opinion are more skilled than any of the Ginyu Force, despite the (probably) higher experience they possess. Plus, Cell has many techniques and, in these kinds of match-ups, quantity matters. If Ginyu gets his body change technique off, though, he wins.

[supercat]

For the following, assume the fighters have equal battle powers, in a Thunderdome type situation.

Android 17 VS. Freeza (final form-100%)
Raditz VS. Nappa
Eastern Kaioshin VS. Mr. Satan
Imperfect Cell VS. Captain Ginyu

-Much akin to the rest of his clan, Frieza appears to be a formidable warrior from all standpoints. The way he's physically built enables him to execute stunningly dynamic movements that most fighters wouldn't even be able to keep up with.

Factoring all of that in with his nearly impenetrable durability almost makes him the type of opponent that the vast majority of the Z-Fighters are better off not encountering unless they had a major advantage in strength or stamina. I personally perceive the emperor of evil as a top-tier warrior gifted with a body that's strictly designed for combat in addition to a full arsenal of advantageous assets. The only real way Android 17 would even have a chance is if he were able to survive long enough to the point where Frieza's less than ideal stamina begins to take its toll.

-Both Nappa and Raditz seemed pretty darn incompetent when it came down to tapping into their tactical prowess. That said, the former seemed to have more experience, and being an elite probably gives him the edge on the latter.

-East Kaioshin is probably one the most underrated fighters in the entire franchise. Without even gauging the full extent of his abilities, many fans have automatically jumped to the conclusion that he's outright useless simply due to the amount of concern that he's expressed on Babidi's ship. I mean the guy had to watch all of his brethren get slaughtered at the hands of some vile menace and his wizard pal, so it's quite natural that he would proceed with extreme caution when having to deal with anything or anyone related to the matter.

-I'm going with Cell on this one. With the blood of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Frieza pumping through his veins, it's quite unlikely he would lose to someone like Captain Ginyu.

[Noah]

- Android Arc Gohan, if they have the same power what is the difference between being SSJ or not?

Just skill

[Kamiccolo9]

Base Vegeta (DBS) vs Base Goku (DBS, no KK).

I think Goku's a bit stronger, enough to take this, but for the purposes of this post, I'm going to act like they are exactly equal.

Vegeta has demonstrated some insane durability in the past. The free-for-all on Earth where he would just not stay down, and his beating from Pure Buu are the clearest demonstrations of this. He also has a larger repertoire of techniques, although these really just seem to be the same three techniques done slightly different (a blast spamming attack, an energy ball, and a beam attack). And, while he hasn't demonstrated this in a while, Vegeta has, in the past, been capable of snapping and forcing a draw by blowing up the planet. While I doubt he'd resort to that at this point, I can see him cutting loose more easily than I can Goku.

Speaking of Goku, he's also shown some impressive endurance. The he managed to fight on against Piccolo with a hole in his chest (or shoulder, depending on what angle the picture is from), got his ass kicked by Vegeta and his own Kaio-Ken and managed to remain fighting for a while until he was literally crushed by Vegeta, and was able to survive against 50% Freeza, despite being twenty times weaker than him. He's got Instant Transmission, which I don't consider to be a particularly combat-viable technique, especially against someone aware of it, multiple iterations of the Kamehameha, and several techniques he's picked up from his friends, like the Taiyoken and Kienzan (which Vegeta can also do.)

I think this fight comes down to their respective weaknesses, mentioned in Super. Goku's more likely to take it easy and get himself killed, while Vegeta's more likely to take it to seriously and wear himself out. Personally, I think that Goku's is a greater detriment in a pitched fight, so, at equal levels, I give this to Vegeta.

[Kamiccolo9]

Let's try this one.

SSJ3 Ultimate Gohan (let's assume that the two powerups stack in this scenario) vs the BoG gauntlet. Suppressed Godku, Godku, Suppressed Beerus, Beerus, Whis.

How far does he get?

Feel free to throw the RF characters wherever you think they fit.

[Doctor.]

Let's try this one.

SSJ3 Ultimate Gohan (let's assume that the two powerups stack in this scenario) vs the BoG gauntlet. Suppressed Godku, Godku, Suppressed Beerus, Beerus, Whis.

How far does he get?

Feel free to throw the RF characters wherever you think they fit.

Would it matter? We assume SSG Goku is stronger than anything Goku could do normally, and that includes fusion + SS3. I personally put Base Vegetto around SS3 Gotenks, a bit weaker pehaps, so I don't think the extra boost from Gotenks to Gohan would make much of a difference. He'd be able to beat 80% SSG Goku with difficulty, maybe.

[dbgtFO]

Let's try this one.

SSJ3 Ultimate Gohan (let's assume that the two powerups stack in this scenario) vs the BoG gauntlet. Suppressed Godku, Godku, Suppressed Beerus, Beerus, Whis.

How far does he get?

Feel free to throw the RF characters wherever you think they fit.

..I have Gohan ending up at 16 in comparison to Whis' 15, so he stomps the first 4, before likely screwing up against the master himself.

[RandomGuy96]

Let's try this one.

SSJ3 Ultimate Gohan (let's assume that the two powerups stack in this scenario) vs the BoG gauntlet. Suppressed Godku, Godku, Suppressed Beerus, Beerus, Whis.

How far does he get?

Feel free to throw the RF characters wherever you think they fit.

So, like, Ultimate Gohan x 400? I don't see any reason that he wouldn't stomp everybody. He wouldn't even need SS3 or Ultimate for FNF; base Gohan has a power level greater than 1.3 million.

[Galan007]

Let's try this one.

SSJ3 Ultimate Gohan (let's assume that the two powerups stack in this scenario) vs the BoG gauntlet. Suppressed Godku, Godku, Suppressed Beerus, Beerus, Whis.

How far does he get?

Feel free to throw the RF characters wherever you think they fit.

So basically Shin Gohan x400?

He clears. Whis is the only one who is remotely capable of putting up a fight, imo.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SSJ3 Ultimate Gohan (let's assume that the two powerups stack in this scenario) vs the BoG gauntlet. Suppressed Godku, Godku, Suppressed Beerus, Beerus, Whis.

Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Base Vegetto in my opinion, a lot stronger. So even if SS3 Vegetto can't beat Beers, I wouldn't put him miles below.

I'd say Gohan could beat even Whiss.

[Noah]

Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Base Vegetto in my opinion, a lot stronger. So even if SS3 Vegetto can't beat Beers, I wouldn't put him miles below

My thoughts, exactly. I don't know why people like to hype Base Vegetto, it is just because anime filler?


New matches:

- Super Gogeta x Base Vegetto
- Super Gogeta x Super Boo
- Super Gogeta x Super Boo-tenks
- Ultimate Gohan x Super Gogeta

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

- Super Gogeta x Base Vegetto
- Super Gogeta x Super Boo
- Super Gogeta x Super Boo-tenks
- Ultimate Gohan x Super Gogeta

I think Super Saiyan Gogeta would lose every single of these matches, personally. Against Base Vegetto it wouldn't be completely one-sided, but the second, third, and fourth matches would just be flat-out one shots. He'd need Super Saiyan 3 to even put up a challenge, and would still have a good chance at being beat by Gohan, he gets slaughtered by Gotenks-Boo.

[Lord Beerus]

Let's try this one.

SSJ3 Ultimate Gohan (let's assume that the two powerups stack in this scenario) vs the BoG gauntlet. Suppressed Godku, Godku, Suppressed Beerus, Beerus, Whis.

How far does he get?

Feel free to throw the RF characters wherever you think they fit.

Gohan gets stomped by Suppressed Godku. The God tier characters BOG and ROF, Godku, Godgeta, Golden Freeza, Beerus and Whis, are practically in a different universe of strength. Ultimate Gohan got taken down with one casual kick from suppressed Beerus, he's gonna need to multiple his strength by waaayyy more than 400 to put up a fight.

[RandomGuy96]

Let's try this one.

SSJ3 Ultimate Gohan (let's assume that the two powerups stack in this scenario) vs the BoG gauntlet. Suppressed Godku, Godku, Suppressed Beerus, Beerus, Whis.

How far does he get?

Feel free to throw the RF characters wherever you think they fit.

Gohan gets stomped by Suppressed Godku. The God tier characters BOG and ROF, Godku, Godgeta, Golden Freeza, Beerus and Whis, are practically in a different universe of strength. Ultimate Gohan got taken down with one casual kick from suppressed Beerus, he's gonna need to multiple his strength by waaayyy more than 400 to put up a fight.

Which you base on...? Taking someone out with a kick and a headbutt isn't very impressive in the grand scheme of things (assuming that's even supposed to be Ultimate Gohan).

Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Base Vegetto in my opinion, a lot stronger. So even if SS3 Vegetto can't beat Beers, I wouldn't put him miles below

My thoughts, exactly. I don't know why people like to hype Base Vegetto, it is just because anime filler?


New matches:

- Super Gogeta x Base Vegetto
- Super Gogeta x Super Boo
- Super Gogeta x Super Boo-tenks
- Ultimate Gohan x Super Gogeta

Super Gogeta shouldn't be many times stronger than Super Gotenks, as the kids are plainly shown not to be dimensions below Vegeta. On top of that, SS Gogeta's only appearance (in movie 12) has him "only" taking out Janemba after a beating, rather than just one-shotting him, and Janemba wasn't that much stronger than SS3 Goku. Super Buu stomps him flat out.

[Doctor.]

Let's go for a different one here.

Kid Goku with the Nyoibo vs Kame-sennin

Scenario 1: 21st Tenkaichi Budokai
Scenario 2: Post-Karin training arc for Goku, 22nd TB for Roshi
Scenario 3: Post-Choshinsui for Goku, Resurrection 'F' for Roshi

[Lord Beerus]

Let's try this one.

SSJ3 Ultimate Gohan (let's assume that the two powerups stack in this scenario) vs the BoG gauntlet. Suppressed Godku, Godku, Suppressed Beerus, Beerus, Whis.

How far does he get?

Feel free to throw the RF characters wherever you think they fit.

Gohan gets stomped by Suppressed Godku. The God tier characters BOG and ROF, Godku, Godgeta, Golden Freeza, Beerus and Whis, are practically in a different universe of strength. Ultimate Gohan got taken down with one casual kick from suppressed Beerus, he's gonna need to multiple his strength by waaayyy more than 400 to put up a fight.

Which you base on...? Taking someone out with a kick and a headbutt isn't very impressive in the grand scheme of things (assuming that's even supposed to be Ultimate Gohan).

Taking out someone with kick and a headbutt is very impressive, especially in series that puts so much focus on how deadly ki attacks are over pure physical strength. I mean, it's established pretty quickly in GT that SSJ4 Gogeta is worlds above in terms of strength in comparison to Omega Shenron when it only took a flurry of punches and kicks to make Omega Shenron bleed and send him flying in buildings. Beerus does much better than that, he knocks out Ultimate Gohan with one casual kick to the gut. I mean, Beerus put more effort into stomping SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ3 Goku than he did with Ultimate Gohan.