Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[singsing]

I was thinking about something odd. Didn't Beerus destroy half a planet with his fingernail? He used the same move against an exausted Vegeta to knock him out in Battle of Gods. Could it mean that to knock out Vegeta you need the force to destroy half a planet?

you're going to need more force than that since Saiyan Saga Vegeta can survive planet destroying attacks

If Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga can survive his attack. His attack failed, so we have no idea on how powerful his attack would be. He was likely not going to destroy the Earth completely. Most likely destroy the core and quickly leave.

I mean, Freeza destroyed planets by destroying their core as well.

[pacz360]

Freeza blew up a planet in base without destroying the core also vegeta had enough power to blow up the earth in saiyan saga at full power seriously in that saga piccolo blew the moon with a casual ki blast after his fight with raditz and his ass wasn't worth shit to nappa who wasn't worth anything to vegeta

[pacz360]

I was thinking about something odd. Didn't Beerus destroy half a planet with his fingernail? He used the same move against an exausted Vegeta to knock him out in Battle of Gods. Could it mean that to knock out Vegeta you need the force to destroy half a planet?

you're going to need more force than that since Saiyan Saga Vegeta can survive planet destroying attacks

If Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga can survive his attack. His attack failed, so we have no idea on how powerful his attack would be. He was likely not going to destroy the Earth completely. Most likely destroy the core and quickly leave.

There was no mentioning of blowing up the core otherwise he would of mentioned it.

[Hellspawn28]

Vegeta in outrage. People say shit that they don't mean when they get angry. Vegeta is not a idiot and would not kill himself along with the Earth knowing that he still wants to go to Namek and become immortal. How is Vegeta going to go to Namek if his space pod is destroyed along with the Earth? He would die in space knowing that he would be floating in space with no where to go. He won't able to breath and he will have no food or water in space.

I do feel like most DB fans to take things out of context sometimes. Like when Elder Kaioshin said that the Universe would be no more when Kid Buu shown up. He most likely means that Kid Buu would blow up every planet and star over time.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Vegeta in outrage. People say shit that they don't mean when they get angry. Vegeta is not a idiot and would not kill himself along with the Earth knowing that he still wants to go to Namek and become immortal. How is Vegeta going to go to Namek if his space pod is destroyed along with the Earth? He would die in space knowing that he would be floating in space with no where to go. He won't able to breath and he will have no food or water in space.

Except if he was going to destroy the core of the planet to give him a few minutes to escape.

[pacz360]

Vegeta in outrage. People say shit that they don't mean when they get angry. Vegeta is not a idiot and would not kill himself along with the Earth knowing that he still wants to go to Namek and become immortal. How is Vegeta going to go to Namek if his space pod is destroyed along with the Earth? He would die in space knowing that he would be floating in space with no where to go. He won't able to breath and he will have no food or water in space.

I do feel like most DB fans to take things out of context sometimes. Like when Elder Kaioshin said that the Universe would be no more when Kid Buu shown up. He most likely means that Kid Buu would blow up every planet and star over time.

Doesn't change the fact that he could do it he failed due goku countering it with his kkx4 kamehameha hell before launching it goku didn't call him out and saying he's bluffing instead goku was pretty much shitting himself vegeta gave him two choices dodge it and planet becomes dust or take it head on and counter it.

[singsing]

Vegeta in outrage. People say shit that they don't mean when they get angry. Vegeta is not a idiot and would not kill himself along with the Earth knowing that he still wants to go to Namek and become immortal. How is Vegeta going to go to Namek if his space pod is destroyed along with the Earth? He would die in space knowing that he would be floating in space with no where to go. He won't able to breath and he will have no food or water in space.

I do feel like most DB fans to take things out of context sometimes. Like when Elder Kaioshin said that the Universe would be no more when Kid Buu shown up. He most likely means that Kid Buu would blow up every planet and star over time.

That kinda means the universe would be no more if Boo destroyed everything in it...

There's also Vegeta counting on Goku knowing he wasn't bluffing and would try to block it, so the planet buster wouldn't actually blow up the planet, but straight up kill Goku. Or, as said above, he'd destroy the core and give himself time to escape.

[Hellspawn28]

Vegeta would never kill himself along with the Earth. Do you think that he would be stupid enough to kill himself just to beat Goku when he still wants to get the Dragon Balls and kill Freeza? To the first real Planet busting that we see in the series is from Freeza. I view Freeza as the first real planet buster in the franchise.

[Doctor.]

Vegeta would never kill himself along with the Earth. Do you think that he would be stupid enough to kill himself just to beat Goku when he still wants to get the Dragon Balls and kill Freeza? To the first real Planet busting that we see in the series is from Freeza. I view Freeza as the first real planet buster in the franchise.

Yes. Vegeta could not stand that some lowlife was stronger than him, the prince. Him being suicidal just to keep his title as the strongest adds a lot to his character. It's not like Freeza, who blows up the planet, knowing he can survive, that's the easy way out, to Vegeta it's a last resort, where he kills himself too.

[MaGyunia]

After getting beaten by Goku's Kaio-Ken x3 stage, and after witnessing his blood spilt, he basically loses it and probably loses the self-control and the ability to use his intelligence and rationality, he's far too much focused on the fight - and on the shocking fact he's losing, especially - to care about the Dragon Balls for quite a while, and he's certainly not thinking about immortality or Freeza at that particular point when he decides to fully power-up and charge his Gallic Gun.

However, he obviously retained just enough rationality to avoid committing suicide, so if the Gallic Gun indeed hit the Earth and completely destroyed it, he most likely knew that he would be able to escape death by either generating a barrier to keep the oxygen he needed to live in space (like many characters are shown to do throughout DBZ, including Saiya-jin, and indeed Vegeta) or by reaching his capsule fast enough to escape the planet after the destruction of its core, which would take its time to cause the eventual and inevitable explosion of the entire planet itself.

[Bullza]

So it's Goku vs Beerus the retelling in a few hours. Should give something more to talk about in this thread than last week at least.

I'm curious to know if the line about the Fusion not being enough will be kept in or not. Is Goku going to be just as helpless as he was in the movie or are they going to nerf Beerus?

We will soon find out.

[MaGyunia]

I've been finding myself every Saturday night (9am in Japan actually represents 1am in Portugal) already having developed an entire routine to watch each new episode of DBSuper. As soon as it hits 10pm or 11pm, lights go out and its time to reach down the greatest recesses of Dragonball fandom once again, and now I get to do it every week.
I've even started to watch and actually pay attention to Fuji TV's early morning programs as some sort of weird (or not-so-weird) build-up to the episode itself.

So it's Goku vs Beerus the retelling in a few hours. Should give something more to talk about in this thread than last week at least.

I'm curious to know if the line about the Fusion not being enough will be kept in or not. Is Goku going to be just as helpless as he was in the movie or are they going to nerf Beerus?

We will soon find out.

I'm definitely positive that they're going to keep Goku light-years behind Beerus. It is a fundamental aspect of the plot to show just how enormous and unreachable the gap is between the likes of Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku (or any of his other stages) when compared to the power of Hakaishin Beerus.
That said, the fight will definitely be much longer (in BoG, Beerus KO's Goku in a matter of a minute), most likely more than half of the episode, and that's obviously a massively good reason to get hyped, since we'll finally get the proper fighting time we've been waiting for ever since the series debuted.
They'll indeed stretch it, with a few additions and changes here and there - maybe Goku's mention of fusion with Vegeta would be pointless as well against Beerus will be left out -, and Goku will grow more and more desperate as he finds out that not even when he gets serious and fights with all his might he just can land a single kick or punch in Beerus.
Although the fight will be, presumably, quite a bit longer when compared to that of the movie, in my view they shouldn't change the fact that Beerus blocks/overwhelms/dodges Goku's attacks as easily as he does in BoG and then KO's just as effortlessly (keeping the masterfully-applied pressure-point attack to the neck we've seen in BoG would be one thing they shoulndn't change).

Right now I just wanna see the fight itself, as I regard the awesome fighting aspect and dynamics of Dragonball to have been one of the major advantages the later stages of DB and the entirety of DBZ had, to the point of being (positively) uneral, but I'm also obviously curious about the immediate aftermath (will Beerus leave off whistling right after KO'ing Goku?; will Goku regain a slight degree of consciousness soon after and ponder on how Beerus actually was?; will he consider what Super Saiya-jin God is as well while beaten on the ground, and will he mention the fact that not even Fusion with Vegeta would work on Beerus?)
All of these should be complete within this episode, or maybe they could spill a little to the sixth, but the next one will definitely be already focused on Beerus' interactions with the ones on Earth.

[Bullza]

Well it played out similar to the movie except he didn't punch a whole through it now he used a Kamehameha instead. Not sure if the Fusion line was there or not.

[dbgtFO]

Well it played out similar to the movie except he didn't punch a whole through it now he used a Kamehameha instead. Not sure if the Fusion line was there or not.

It's there alright, he namedrops Vegeta and says something, something "Gattai."

[MaGyunia]

Well it played out similar to the movie except he didn't punch a whole through it now he used a Kamehameha instead. Not sure if the Fusion line was there or not.

It was. He said exactly the same thing as in BoG. "Not even a Fusion with Vegeta would probably be enough for a guy like that", something along these lines.

[Saiyan007]

i noticed something weird when goku was a ssj3 and charged at Beerus it looked like some invisible force was holding him back and there was a weird noise in the background as well

[ZombieVito]

Was the Freeza > Base Saiyans line kept?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Was the Freeza > Base Saiyans line kept?

Yes...

This time, Beerus is even harsher on base Goku: "it seems impossible for you to have defeated Freeza" (same line as before, but now with 到底)

[ZombieVito]

Was the Freeza > Base Saiyans line kept?

Yes...

This time, Beerus is even harsher on base Goku: "it seems impossible for you to have defeated Freeza" (same line as before, but now with 到底)

Excellent. It's pretty much a fact now.

[Saiyan007]

How is that fact?

Goku looked supressed to me.......