"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Sora Saiyan]

Super is probably gonna throw most of Toriyamas original ideas in. BoG was actually cut down by quite a lot.

Are there any other areas you struggled with in supervising the scenario?
It was my first experience with writing the scenario, so what I understood the least was, I had no grasp of how much writing would translate to how much length [on screen]. I had thought that the anime staff would further expand on the script I’d supervised, but it seems the scenario was actually so long that it had to be cut down. The anime staff told me that, in the first storyboards, where they had already cut it down somewhat, it was still over 120 minutes long.

[SansrivaaL]

I think people are taking this rage boost thing a bit too well seriously. The only person who said that he surpassed Goku was Roshi of all people it is very likely he misjudged what happened. Yes I know Goku said it too but he had become a SSG and absorbed it I think he was just humouring Vegeta so Vegeta wouldn't feel too bad. Besides the rage boost went as quickly as it came and plays no part in anything, I honestly don't see why this is a such a big problem, it was a fan service moment in which Vegeta had an abnormal spike in power.

Basically this, like how Roshi was wrong about Goku becoming a God and saying *I think the cat man is right*

[Chuquita]

Super is probably gonna throw most of Toriyamas original ideas in. BoG was actually cut down by quite a lot.

Are there any other areas you struggled with in supervising the scenario?
It was my first experience with writing the scenario, so what I understood the least was, I had no grasp of how much writing would translate to how much length [on screen]. I had thought that the anime staff would further expand on the script I’d supervised, but it seems the scenario was actually so long that it had to be cut down. The anime staff told me that, in the first storyboards, where they had already cut it down somewhat, it was still over 120 minutes long.

I second this theory. 120 is already 6 episodes long (about the extended edition of BOG). If Super's goes till episode 10 or 11, that's another 100 minutes or so.

Also makes me interested in what they'll do with F, if he didn't write as much for that due to his learning experience with BOG.

I'm excited. I really liked BOG, I want to see all the missing pieces.

[coola]

Personally, like i said in another post, i would love them to redo Freeza training, prodigy or not, going from 120.000.000 to over Super Buu in just 4 month is little too much, i will take anything, have Freeza don't know what month is, or place where time flies slower.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Super is probably gonna throw most of Toriyamas original ideas in. BoG was actually cut down by quite a lot.

Are there any other areas you struggled with in supervising the scenario?
It was my first experience with writing the scenario, so what I understood the least was, I had no grasp of how much writing would translate to how much length [on screen]. I had thought that the anime staff would further expand on the script I’d supervised, but it seems the scenario was actually so long that it had to be cut down. The anime staff told me that, in the first storyboards, where they had already cut it down somewhat, it was still over 120 minutes long.

I second this theory. 120 is already 6 episodes long (about the extended edition of BOG). If Super's goes till episode 10 or 11, that's another 100 minutes or so.

Also makes me interested in what they'll do with F, if he didn't write as much for that due to his learning experience with BOG.

I'm excited. I really liked BOG, I want to see all the missing pieces.

Yeah by the looks of things his script was pretty much adapted faithfully which makes me wonder that maybe "F" will be shorter than BoG's with maybe a few slice of life episodes beforehand (possibly showing/explaining how Vegeta got SSG). I haven't seen the film yet but reading the summary the only thing they could really expand upon is Freeza and his training and at most that would be one episode, maybe we'll get a Jaco centric episode before he comes to Earth?

[MaGyunia]

Personally, like i said in another post, i would love them to redo Freeza training, prodigy or not, going from 120.000.000 to over Super Buu in just 4 month is little too much, i will take anything, have Freeza don't know what month is, or place where time flies slower.

I've personally always found Freeza's ENORMOUS increase in power - regardless of him being a prodigy even within his own race or not - by Fukkatsu no F - as something that required a more in-depth explanation in order to be fully accepted by the hardcore fandom.

We're talking about a character who could be beaten by the lowest level of a Super Saiya-jin back on Namek in the Freeza arc. Since then, an interminable sequence of fighters overcoming each other and reaching entirely different stages of power have occurred throghout DBZ. Freeza, at his 100%, is defeated by Super Saiya-jin Goku, who is about as strong as Super Saiya-jin Mirai no Trunks when he arrives, who happens to dispatch Freeza and his father with no effort whatsoever. By the Jinzouningen arc, that same Mirai no Trunks, and even Super Saiya-jin Vegeta, who is arguably above him, have no chance against #17 and #18, let alone Cell in his second stage; Vegeta goes Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai and yet again turns the tables in favor of the good guys by thrashing semi-perfect Cell, but is overwhelmed and easily KO'd by Perfect Cell, who in turn is no match for Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan; that same Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan, although as an adult and presumably having lost a bit of power due to lack of training, is said (by Piccolo) to be BELOW both Super Saiya-jin 2 Majin Vegeta 2 and Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku, both of whom are no match for fat Majin Buu, who in turn is below ANY of the various forms taken by Super Buu and indeed Kid Buu, who is about in the leagues of Ultimate Gohan/Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku; none of these fighters have absolutely any chance against Super Vegitto, who's about twice as strong as Ultimate Gohan/Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku.

I could have included a much higher number of fighters who are far, far more powerful than Freeza at his strongest, all of them throughout the Jinzouningen, Cell and Majin Buu arcs (not counting the movies, of course, as they're non-canon side-stories, but if we did we'd have to include the likes of, for example, Cooler, Brolly, Bio Brolly, Janenba, #13 and Bojack).

Understanding just how Freeza managed to overcome all of these gaps in such a short time and go from being someone who could by defeated by as early as the Freeza arc to someone with a level of power in the leagues of Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Goku, Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin God Vegeta and Beerus (who all far surpass ANY of the fighters mentioned in the previous paragraph) is something I'd like to have explained to me at least in a more detailed way. They could, and most likely will, go for an argument along the lines of "he's just a prodigy even within his own race, he's a freak of nature, his power is immeasurable, etc., etc.), but if no satisfactory explanation is provided in the Freeza arc of DBSuper to account for Freeza's overcoming of ALL these numerous gaps, and I doubt it will, then I''ll just assume they partially hastily went for the concept of Freeza being a freak of nature with a theoretically endless power, in order to make him as much of a serious menace to Goku and Vegeta as possible even in terms of power and danger goes.

Overall, I think we all agree that BoG was better put together than Fukkatsu no F and was, all in all, a better movie, with better character development and backgrounds, with more humor without losing its degree of arguable seriousness and drama, with better fights, better animation, better characters and basically a far superior plot. I'm just not sure whether the series' depiction of the events in the respective Beerus and Freeza arcs within it are going to reflect that same difference in "quality", but since the basis is the same, I guess it will. The only advantage the events of Fukkatsu no F have over those of BoG is the fact that there are a number of off-screen events which "happened" between or during the movie itself that SHOULD and MUST be explored and be put on-screen in the Freeza arc (Vegeta going Super Saiya-jin God himself, Whis accepting to train both Goku and Vegeta, their decision to go further with yet another stage, Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin, and Freeza's training).

One question which has struck my mind before regarding Freeza too: He appeared in numerous occasions in cameos throughout DBZ and in the movies either in filler or non-canon content, but when Fukkastu no F was released it was supposed and announced to be a direct canon continuation of BoG, which itself was also canon (none of which are so anymore, of course). Why the hell didn't they think of reviving him any sooner than this? Why did it take 14 years for them to conceive the idea of reviving Freeza, especially taking into account the fact that they do so easily in the movie? Freeza himself complains about the time it took them to revive him in the movie.

[Captain Space]

Personally, like i said in another post, i would love them to redo Freeza training, prodigy or not, going from 120.000.000 to over Super Buu in just 4 month is little too much, i will take anything, have Freeza don't know what month is, or place where time flies slower.

Actually, the first of those two could be it.

Freeza clearly has no concept of a minute. I guess he doesn't know months either XD

[Hellspawn28]

I guess when the BOG arc is over then we will see what happens with the Z fighters before the ROF arc. I think we will find out on how Vegeta finally becomes a Super Saiyan God.

[MaGyunia]

I guess when the BOG arc is over then we will see what happens with the Z fighters before the ROF arc. I think we will find out on how Vegeta finally becomes a Super Saiyan God.

The exact same way Goku achieves the stage. If they go for the the exact Saiya-jin ritual seen in BoG or a slightly altered version of it (and I hope they don't), then at some point - and this NEEDS to be shown on-screen during DBSuper - I'd smile and laugh at everyone going around Vegeta holding hands while HE is the center of the attention this time, not Kakarotto.

[alakazam^]

Summaries for the next four episodes

Episode 6 - Beers goes to Earth to search for the Super Saiya-jin God. Vegeta tries to politely make him leave. Bulma mistakes him as Vegeta's friend and invites him to the party.

Episode 7 - Vegeta tries to make Beers pleased but when he looks the other way, Beers starts arguing with Boo over pudding. Beers threatens to destroy the Earth.

Episode 8 - Beers hits Bulma and Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiya-jin, releasing tremendous ki like never before. Vegeta attacks at full force but to no avail. Thinking Earth is going to be destroyed by Beers, the pig Oolong, who looks like Majin Boo (what?), challenges him to Janken.

Episode 9 - Just when Beers is going to destroy the Earth, Goku, who has been training in planet Kaiou, appears before him. Goku says he might have a way to find the Super Saiya-jin God.

[TomTom]

Hi all, this is the titles and synopsis of the épisodes 6 7 8 and 9, if Kanzenshuu can translate.


I found it here

http://mastiff.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/an ... 4365/549n-

[sintzu]

Summaries for the next four episodes

Episode 6 - Beers goes to Earth to search for the Super Saiya-jin God. Vegeta tries to politely make him leave. Bulma mistakes him as Vegeta's friend and invites him to the party.

Episode 7 - Vegeta tries to make Beers pleased but when he looks the other way, Beers starts arguing with Boo over pudding. Beers threatens to destroy the Earth.

Episode 8 - Beers hits Bulma and Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiya-jin, releasing tremendous ki like never before. Vegeta attacks at full force but to no avail. Thinking Earth is going to be destroyed by Beers, the pig Oolong, who looks like Majin Boo (what?), challenges him to Janken.

Episode 9 - Just when Beers is going to destroy the Earth, Goku, who has been training in planet Kaiou, appears before him. Goku says he might have a way to find the Super Saiya-jin God.

I think these are fake cause they go against the official episode titles that were released yesterday which don't include episode 9.

[dbgtFO]

I think these are fake cause they go against the official episode titles that were released yesterday which don't include episode 9.

Look above you

[sintzu]

I think these are fake cause they go against the official episode titles that were released yesterday which don't include episode 9.

Look above you

I can't read Japanese but if you mean they're real cause they're in that link then why would ep7 be called "How Dare You Hit My Bulma!" if she doesn't get hit till ep8 ?

[dbgtFO]

I think these are fake cause they go against the official episode titles that were released yesterday which don't include episode 9.

Look above you

I can't read Japanese but if you mean they're real cause they're in that link then why would ep7 be called "How Dare You Hit My Bulma!" if she doesn't get hit till ep8 ?

The scan posted by TomTom is legit. The titles are translated on the site: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/super/, oh but you are right I hadn't noticed that discrepancy. Yeah don't know what's going on there, maybe the translation isn't up to par or the tv guide is just off?

[sintzu]

Yeah don't know what's going on there, maybe the translation isn't up to par or the tv guide is just off?

If the descriptions going against the official titles aren't enough to prove this fake then releasing all these descriptions should cause all previous descriptions were released a few days before they're episodes aired,not a month in advance.

[ChibiGoku]

Keep in mind, sometimes the titles may reflect literally the last moment that happens in the episode. So the events could happen at the very end of episode 7, and episode 8 expands upon what happens. Sometimes Japan's titles can be rather deceptive on what to expect the whole episode to be about, and show up at the very last minute. I'm pretty sure Toei's done this before.

[JulieYBM]

Keep in mind, sometimes the titles may reflect literally the last moment that happens in the episode. So the events could happen at the very end of episode 7, and episode 8 expands upon what happens. Sometimes Japan's titles can be rather deceptive on what to expect the whole episode to be about, and show up at the very last minute. I'm pretty sure Toei's done this before.

Episode #1 says hello.

[alakazam^]

I think these are fake cause they go against the official episode titles that were released yesterday which don't include episode 9.

Look above you

I can't read Japanese but if you mean they're real cause they're in that link then why would ep7 be called "How Dare You Hit My Bulma!" if she doesn't get hit till ep8 ?

Yeah, it's strange but at the same time there's no mention of any kind of Battle Royal between Beers and everyone else. Besides, the summary begins with describing the Vegeta-Bulma stuff and we know there's no way for it to take even half an episode. My bet would be that episode 7 ends with Beers slapping Bulma and Vegeta in a rage (possibly charging at him) and episode 8 continues that sequence of events.

[MaGyunia]

I think these are fake cause they go against the official episode titles that were released yesterday which don't include episode 9.

Look above you

I can't read Japanese but if you mean they're real cause they're in that link then why would ep7 be called "How Dare You Hit My Bulma!" if she doesn't get hit till ep8 ?

She'll probably get hit by Beerus in the very last moment of the episode and Vegeta subsequently losing it and undergoing a power boost without actually undergoing any physical transformation (other than normal Super Saiya-jin 2), ending that way (much in the same way a number of DB and DBZ episodes did), and episode 8 will begin with Vegeta charging Beerus for a while longer than he did in BoG.

The way they're presenting and describing the events in each of the episodes, especially from 5/6 onwards seems to be being done in a much closer light when compared to what happened in BoG. Maybe it will feel like watching the movie all over again, but I'm sure we'll get all sorts of small modifications and additions to compensate for that potentially disappointing feeling.

Describing Goku as "just might having a way to find a Super Saiya-jin God" leaves me automatically to think that they'll indeed go and call Shenlong to ask him what/who Super Saiya-jin God is, leading to Shenlong's explanation of the ritual underwent by the original SSJG on Planet Vegeta, which pretty much would mean that they'll go for the exact same ritual, either dropping the number of Saiya-jin needed by one or by changing it when compared to BoG by having Pan already conceived at this point, which would have repercussions in her age and the last 3 episodes of DBZ, but let's not discuss that all over again.