Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by singsing » Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:56 pm

Saiyan007 wrote:How is that fact?

Goku looked supressed to me.......
Because when even Captain Ginyu can guess someone is suppressing their power and can make an estimate, I'm 100% certain the mother fuckin 75+ million year old God of Destruction can make an even more accurate estimate.

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Post by Sora Saiyan » Sun Aug 09, 2015 5:01 am

Nothing new in terms of power really, just the usual Beerus pissing around with people. I guess the only time he'll actually start using any of his power will be for SSJG. I genuinely don't think he's used 1% of his power yet. :P

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:22 pm

Sora Saiyan wrote:Nothing new in terms of power really, just the usual Beerus pissing around with people. I guess the only time he'll actually start using any of his power will be for SSJG. I genuinely don't think he's used 1% of his power yet. :P
Sure there is, they took away Goku's punching feat through Kaio's world. So we got a reverse feat scenario.
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Post by Doctor. » Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:54 pm

Beerus says that this Super Saiyan Goku would have a hard time against Freeza. :|

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Post by dbgtFO » Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:44 pm

Doctor. wrote:Beerus says that this Super Saiyan Goku would have a hard time against Freeza. :|
freezamite was right all along :lol:

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Cetra » Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:29 pm

How this scene is supposed to be taken a fact just because he is harsh but we still got no answer about Goku being surpressed is just another fan puzzle.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by singsing » Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:33 pm

Cetra wrote:How this scene is supposed to be taken a fact just because he is harsh but we still got no answer about Goku being surpressed is just another fan puzzle.
Because, again, just like in BoG, there's literally no point for this line to be in the movie unless that statement is to be taken as fact, especially since it wasn't shown to be false later through actions or another statement. And because if Captain Ginyu can guess power levels, so can the age-old God of Destruction. Maybe it's not fact, but it's the simplest solution IMO.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Cetra » Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:37 pm

No point? Like scouters measuring Trunks at 5 so he can prove there is actually more to him than it looks and no one suspects him a threat?
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Doctor. » Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:47 pm

Beerus was aware Goku was still hiding SS3. I think he'd be aware of Goku's full strength in his base form.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 09, 2015 5:13 pm

Doctor. wrote:Beerus says that this Super Saiyan Goku would have a hard time against Freeza. :|
I think that was a mistranslation from the usual day 1 poor subs. I think herms may have pointed that out.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:29 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Beerus says that this Super Saiyan Goku would have a hard time against Freeza. :|
I think that was a mistranslation from the usual day 1 poor subs. I think herms may have pointed that out.
Yes, it was a mistranslation.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Saiyan007 » Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:37 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Sora Saiyan wrote:Nothing new in terms of power really, just the usual Beerus pissing around with people. I guess the only time he'll actually start using any of his power will be for SSJG. I genuinely don't think he's used 1% of his power yet. :P
Sure there is, they took away Goku's punching feat through Kaio's world. So we got a reverse feat scenario.
that feat didn't really change much because he can still hurt people more durable than planets with his fists :)

It really doesn't change Goku ssj3 goku

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:06 pm

"It is said that a Super Saiyan 2 punch is so strong that it can take you to another dimension."

Sounds really weird... Is this correct, or a mistranslation?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:07 pm

So Dragon Team are the best subs for this? I just saw some really terrible ones that kept misspelling words. I'm going to have watching that sub if they just keep making mistakes.

There's a few things said in this episode that I can't really comment on because I don't know how accurate they even are.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Doctor. » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:45 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:"It is said that a Super Saiyan 2 punch is so strong that it can take you to another dimension."

Sounds really weird... Is this correct, or a mistranslation?
Mistranslation. It's something more like "Even a punch from a SS2 can't hit him. He's in a different dimension".

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by pacz360 » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:45 pm

So could someone recap me on more impressive feats department in super at least a little list :D

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by singsing » Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:32 pm

Cetra wrote:No point? Like scouters measuring Trunks at 5 so he can prove there is actually more to him than it looks and no one suspects him a threat?
Exactly. In that situation, it was immediately proven wrong. Nothing says otherwise when Beerus says Goku would lose to Freeza. I literally pointed out in my last post that other situations this happens in, if we're to realize it's false, we would be shown. We were not shown it was wrong in this case.
pacz360 wrote:So could someone recap me on more impressive feats department in super at least a little list :D
Nothing imo, this was a pretty lackluster episode in terms of both animation and feats.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:50 pm

Doctor. wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:"It is said that a Super Saiyan 2 punch is so strong that it can take you to another dimension."

Sounds really weird... Is this correct, or a mistranslation?
Mistranslation. It's something more like "Even a punch from a SS2 can't hit him. He's in a different dimension".
Thanks. I knew it had to be something like that.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by xmysticgohanx » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:19 am

Zombie wrote:
Excellent. It's pretty much a fact now.
Feats >>>> Statements
Base Goten > #18
Canon is Jaco, Dragon Ball except for EoZ, Dragon Ball Super anime and manga (both are separate canons)
Kai >>> Z
Current Roshi/Kulilin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Gotenks

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:30 am

xmysticgohanx wrote:Feats >>>> Statements
Base Goten > #18
That's assuming that #18 was going all-out in the tournament. Which she wasn't.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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