What would things be like without GT?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:56 am

Pedro The Hutt wrote: That's GT's greatest offense if you ask me. XD Rampant body hair, go!

*Virtual Bitchslap*

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:25 pm

Pedro The Hutt wrote: That's GT's greatest offense if you ask me. XD Rampant body hair, go!

::remembers a certain episode of Seinfeld:: (not the one where Kramer flips out on people in the comedy club ;p When the Jerry shaves his chest hair for the girl..why am I still typing in this horrid size)
C'mon guys, GT gave us DAN DAN DAMNIT! It also gave us the valuable lesson of knowing if you choose to train the reincarnation of a monster that destroyed the planet, your sweet little grandaughter will grow up to be the most annoying little bitch. I hate Pan.
-Rick

aarondirebear · Post by **aarondirebear** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:05 pm

1) Well I hate how Gokuu promised to visit his family at the end of DBZ and how thes beginning of GT suggests he was literally gone for 10 years...if I was Chichi I would have left Gokuu for Yamucha long time ago...

2) Also, the idea of the original Child of Kattatsu creating a whole new set of dragonballs is a major plot hole, considering Piccolo Daimaou was surprised that such a thing as dragonballs could possibly exist (as he had the same memories as the kami of earth did before the split).

3) Why was pilaf able to fly up to the tenkai? I can understand Buruma getting there, as she is a friend of Dende's, but why Pilaf too? And shouldn't Pilaf be dead? The bad people shouldn't have been brought back after Majin Buu.

4) A dragon god should have some common sense in being able to tell a real wish from an "I wish" statement used to spite someone.

5) If Piccolo was so afraid of the black star dragonballs destroying another planet, wouldn't it have been sufficient to just destroy them or perhaps scatter them to places where they would never be found, such as inside his own stomach (Organic matter blocks dragon radar, plus nobody other than a Saiya-jin would be able to beat Piccolo and take it from him), instead of letting himself die for good?????

6) Why bother going to the tenkai for a set of dragonballs when the original set still exists?

7) Akira Toriyama only did some character design in the beginning and had nothing else to do with this travesty.

8) The only way it could have been worse is if it had been adapted by Gainax...then the whole Furiza battle would have been done in stills and lasted for twice the amount of episodes.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:26 pm

To hell with GT. Dragonball is better off without it.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:28 pm

Rocketman wrote:To hell with GT. Dragonball is better off without it.

After reading your comment on chocolate Ice cream, its quite apparent that you have no soul. So to hell with you Rocketman. With that out of the way, Z's ending wasn't that bad, it leaves the story up for more one shots, a manga for Uub, or maybe even another movie.
-Rick

Adey · Post by **Adey** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:21 pm

Yeah, one shots would be decent. I actually think the thing that bugged me most is that Goku could have visited his family every single day (I.T anyone?) but said he'd visit them once in a while.

Also Vegeta needed to get whooped one last time.

aarondirebear · Post by **aarondirebear** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:52 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
Pedro The Hutt wrote: That's GT's greatest offense if you ask me. XD Rampant body hair, go!
::remembers a certain episode of Seinfeld:: (not the one where Kramer flips out on people in the comedy club ;p When the Jerry shaves his chest hair for the girl..why am I still typing in this horrid size)
C'mon guys, GT gave us DAN DAN DAMNIT!
-Rick

ARGH! HOw could I forget that!!!!!!
This is like one of those Paladin dilemma thingies!

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:40 pm

I too greatly dislike chocolate ice cream. I'm sorry. But more to the point I also believe we would have been better off without GT. That's not to say I didn't like certain things about it, out of that mess we got Gill, a hilarious adult Goten (in my opinion), and an ending that connected with us quite well emotionally. However, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if it had just never existed, in fact it would be a blessing. Nothing could possibly make having a character as terrifyingly annoying as Pan or with as bad of hair as Vegeta worth it. Just no.

In Neko Majin, Gokuh was spending time at his house and had Oob with him, so I can just pretend in my little fantasy land that Gokuh scrapped the whole "I'll live with Oob and visit every now and then" and decided to spend just as much time at home. I mean seriously, TEN YEARS!? GT Gokuh is an asshole!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:21 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
Rocketman wrote:To hell with GT. Dragonball is better off without it.
After reading your comment on chocolate Ice cream, its quite apparent that you have no soul. So to hell with you Rocketman.

Now, now, there's no need to lash out at others because of your blindness.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:42 am

I mean its no Strawberry, but chocolate has its..Getting on topic, Mr. A's comments on Goku in GT made sense but was Goku ever really a good father? Neko Majin is fun but they made one of my favorite forms, SSj2, such a joke(Granted its a gag manga but still; Cell Jrs.)...For the record I am finished bashing GT, but I suppose defending it is a losing battle. So screw you, Blue Velvet..!
-Rick

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:37 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Pedro The Hutt wrote: That's GT's greatest offense if you ask me. XD Rampant body hair, go!
*Virtual Bitchslap*

Well pardon me. XD But I never saw anything cool about SSJ4, rampant uran utang body hair, baggy eyes making it seem as though they haven't slept in weeks, and mullet tastic 80s rock star meets kabuki player hair... oh dear. I'll just keep to the actual three SSJ forms. (And even then if I was in charge of DBZ, SSJ never would've happened, as it put every non-saiyan(or non-alien) out of comission)

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:19 pm

aarondirebear wrote:3) Why was pilaf able to fly up to the tenkai? I can understand Buruma getting there, as she is a friend of Dende's, but why Pilaf too? And shouldn't Pilaf be dead? The bad people shouldn't have been brought back after Majin Buu.

Well, I think they only left the truly evil people out of the equation. Pilaf wasn't good, but he wasn't evil either. He was pretty tame.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:58 pm

I hate when people use Pilaf being alive as a plot hole. Do you really think Pilaf is truly evil? Meaning, could you see him shooting a guy in the face ala Android 17?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:44 pm

GI_Judd2287 wrote:I hate when people use Pilaf being alive as a plot hole. Do you really think Pilaf is truly evil? Meaning, could you see him shooting a guy in the face ala Android 17?

He was planning to watch while three kids and two animals were cooked alive.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:57 pm

Rocketman wrote:He was planning to watch while three kids and two animals were cooked alive.

Yeah, but that was in a gag manga, so...

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:21 pm

He was planning to watch while three kids and two animals were cooked alive.

Ironic considering he couldn't stand a blown kiss =P

I don't have much of an issue with GT. It has its problems, but so does Z and Dragon Ball. If anything, Dan Dan, SSJ4, and the emotional ending redeems any stupid problem with it

But that's my view on it.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:30 pm

He was planning to watch while three kids and two animals were cooked alive.

Was that in the same chapter where he was commenting on the high standards of humor that the comic had?

m121akuma · Post by **m121akuma** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:33 am

GI_Judd2287 wrote:
He was planning to watch while three kids and two animals were cooked alive.
Was that in the same chapter where he was commenting on the high standards of humor that the comic had?

Mai with the poop-on-a-stick was comedy gold.

I just noticed the first line of your sig. You are my hero.

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:06 am

Mr. Announcer wrote:I too greatly dislike chocolate ice cream. I'm sorry. But more to the point I also believe we would have been better off without GT. That's not to say I didn't like certain things about it, out of that mess we got Gill, a hilarious adult Goten (in my opinion), and an ending that connected with us quite well emotionally. However, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if it had just never existed, in fact it would be a blessing. Nothing could possibly make having a character as terrifyingly annoying as Pan or with as bad of hair as Vegeta worth it. Just no.

In Neko Majin, Gokuh was spending time at his house and had Oob with him, so I can just pretend in my little fantasy land that Gokuh scrapped the whole "I'll live with Oob and visit every now and then" and decided to spend just as much time at home. I mean seriously, TEN YEARS!? GT Gokuh is an asshole!

Yeah that's one of the many things I didn't like about GT. I personally think Goku really does love his family a lot but he's absent minded. When he trains Uub I believe he went visiting both Uub's villiage, his own home and then going off with Uub to train for awhile in the wildreness before coming back home again. Also it seems that not only did Goku want to fight a powerful opponent like Uub but also find a successor to his role as "Earth's guardian". Goku might not be the sharpest of the bunch but I think that was his plan all along.

I also like aspects of GT and I liked Pan and Uub's character designs (though Vegeta was just UGH!!!

) . I also liked Bebi as a villian, the Golden Oozaru and the SSJ4 forms (though I would prefer a slightly different looking SSJ4). Also a consequence of using the Dragonballs was an excellent idea too. It's not the idea of GT but how it was carried out that was a failure to me. A life without GT would probably only leave the fanbase wanting more anyway and "what-if's?" about a SSJ4 and other things would be discussed if Dragonball GT was not around to answer them.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:41 am

- No Final Bout
- No Dan Dan

- No SSJ4 to easily blaze through tournaments with in Budokai 3

- No "Step into the Grand Tour"

- No Goku Jr.