New Animation VS Old Animation

[VintageSaiyan]

Taking in-between shots that are on-screen for less than half a second and using them to judge the overall quality of Super's animation. Seems legit.....(not).

Have you actually seen the show? It doesn't sound like it tbh.

I love how nostalgia has apparently turned the series that was always the poster child for wildly inconsistent animation into something that was an endless supply of glorious composition, used to besmirch the name of a show that isn't even 10 episodes old.

It goes back to my other point: when you put the VERY BEST Dragon Ball/Z animation against an average shot from Super, of course Super's going to look worse. You guys are using inherently flawed, faulty means of arguing.

Or you could not generalize us like that.

I posted various high quality gifs comparing animation and art, it's not nostalgia, it's just the lack of good direction. Even the triangle episode with Freeza and Trunks has fluid animation, similar to the Goku VS. Beerus gif, granted not of that quality, but decent nonetheless.

I'm not sure that you're listening to what he's saying. These aren't apples to apples comparisons between Super and DBZ. We simply don't have the volume of content with Super to compare to Z yet, and even so people are actively finding what is seemingly damning animation in Super and comparing it to what is the best of Z.




I could also make the argument that Super's animation is leaps and bounds better than Z if I compared this shot of Z to this shot of Super.






These aren't fair comparisons and we need to stop pretending they are.

That episode where you posted the cell image is still leaps and bounds over super. The art style sucks (I believe that's last house?), but it was decently animated and the fight choreography wasn't that bad to be honest.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

The first 4 episodes of Dragon Ball Super were great looking. But what's with episode 5??

Were there different animators mixing scenes together? It was literally as soon as Goku faced off with Beerus in SSJ and SSJ2 forms when the animation down right turned sloppy, like some sort of Adobe flash cartoon in the US. And I also think the fight was poorly put together. Probably one of the worst fights in the franchise. They might as well take the whole fight scene out of Battle of Gods and use it in episode 5, would have been a much better result.

[JulieYBM]

The first 4 episodes of Dragon Ball Super were great looking. But what's with episode 5??

Were there 2 animators mixing scenes together? It was literally as soon as Goku faced off with Beerus in SSJ and SSJ2 forms when the animation down right turned sloppy, like some sort of Adobe flash cartoon in the US. And I also think the fight was poorly put together. Probably one of the worst fights in the franchise. They might as well take the whole fight scene out of Battle of Gods and use it in episode 5, would have been a much better result.

Episode #5 had a short production schedule and too few talented animators to make up for it. The average key animator can do two cuts in one day, but some might rush their drawings to do more cuts in a day. A single episode has 300 cuts. Episode #5 had eighteen key animators credited by name and an unknown amount from Toei Animation Philippines work on it. The animation supervisor didn't have much in the way of time to correct the drawings or replace them with his own.

[Attitudefan]

Even though we are comparing Z more so than the other older series, I think DragonBall up to DBZ episode 30, with the original rotation of animation studios had the most consistent and most often use of the best animators. The Saiyan arc abs the Tenshinhan arc used the highest amounts of the better animation studios, where the Piccolo Daimao arc used mostly Last House in abundance. The Dragon Blog has a count on animation and listed the best animated arcs to the worst.

However, after episode 30, Aoshima left, and Maeda's team did like 1 or 2 episodes here and there in the Namek arc. Higher uses of Last House, Shindo, and Studio Live were used in abundance in the Namek arc, and looked pretty average. Nothing excellent on a more consistent basis compared to before with the original rotation.

However, Shindo started to look excellent during the fight with Ginyu in Goku's body, where that is the first episode that Shindo had really great animation, style, cuts, and camera angles. But throughout the Namek arc, their quality varied until the Cyborgs show up.

Just as I agree with, the dragon blog mentioned too that after the Namek arc, the really mouth watering animation would cease to exist where Maeda's team stopped animating frequently on 1s. The flow started to get choppy and line variation became sparser with them. Yamamuro's team might have had some nice episodes, but they never lived up to the flow, style, cuts, angles and designs compared to what we saw with the original rotation. Remember how detailed and how many frames they used in the episode where Piccolo rips off his arm and becomes pissed at Goku for out smarting him in the 23rd Tournament. Just incredible animation throughout.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Even old DBZ had their occasional bad moments. Like the transition from the end of episode 154 when "Super Vegeta" was powering up in front of Cell and looked really bulky with huge muscles, then in episode 155 he is really thin. He looks identical to his prior SSJ self when he fought #19. I never understood why they did this. Then sometime later in the middle of this fight, Vegeta looks huge and badass again.

[TheGmGoken]

Not really good at comparing animation. But here's how the animation was in the last 3 DB series for episode 5. I think it's best to compare them like this since it's not as nitpicking and it's on EQUAL terms as all series were 5 episodes into the series.

Dragonball


Dragonball Z


Dragonball GT



Dragonball Super


If anyone have better quality and larger pictures/screen shots please provide

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Yes but episode 5 still had better shots of Goku and you still picked one of the worst one's for your comparison, hardly fair at all.

[TheGmGoken]

Yes but episode 5 still had better shots of Goku and you still picked one of the worst one's for your comparison, hardly fair at all.

I picked the first one I saw for each series. So actually it was fair and in a way randomize. Wasn't like I chose on purpose the shot I'll get. If anything I would have picked the awesome shot of SSJ Goku cause that was so badass.

[Attitudefan]

One thing is that Z and Dragonball during serialization had the art extremely close to Toriyama's style. Since GT, the art style has been its own thing, mainly Yamamuro and friends' interpretation of what DB should look like.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Here's a comparison of SS2 Goku in DBZ episode 279 and SS2 Goku in DBS episode 5


As crappy as the majority of DBS episode 5 looks it definitely had some really nice looking shots from time to time, this image above being one of the nice ones, probably even the best one in the episode.

The one you see from DBZ episode 279 is my favourite close up of SS2 Goku in DBZ.

I love the line work in the DBS image. I also like how they blurred out the background, it's a nice touch.

I love the look on Goku's face in the DBZ image, very serious.

I also love the shading there, unlike DBS where lighting and shading only cover the sides of Goku's face and above his cheeks, the DBZ image goes into detail with its shading, making the shot of Goku pop out rather than looking flat.

Still, both images look great. I prefer the DBZ one but the DBS one still looks really good.

[Sayo-chan]

The coloring makes him look like he's made of plastic, and it's still off model. He looks like he has a ton of baby fat.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

The coloring makes him look like he's made of plastic, and it's still off model. He looks like he has a ton of baby fat.

I agree with the plastic part,but neither one look like they have baby fat. The super one like the hand drawn one is on model,it's just a little bi off proportion wise. His tan looks a bit like it was sprayed on. lol.

[Sayo-chan]

The coloring makes him look like he's made of plastic, and it's still off model. He looks like he has a ton of baby fat.

I agree with the plastic part,but neither one look like they have baby fat. The super one like the hand drawn one is on model,it's just a little bi off proportion wise. His tan looks a bit like it was sprayed on. lol.

If the proportions aren't correct, it's not on model.

[Avery]

Please, can you spoiler tag the large images when you quote them at least? Scrolling over the last few pages was a nightmare.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

The coloring makes him look like he's made of plastic, and it's still off model. He looks like he has a ton of baby fat.

I agree with the plastic part,but neither one look like they have baby fat. The super one like the hand drawn one is on model,it's just a little bi off proportion wise. His tan looks a bit like it was sprayed on. lol.

If the proportions aren't correct, it's not on model.

I get that,and I'm not one to defend the new animation,but it's only SLIGHTLY off,I wouldn't call it off model if the eyes are slightly smaller then before. Off model would be like making ssj3 goku's arm the size of ssjgod goku's arms,or making goku shorter then he is. My main problem with super's animation is the colors.

[h0kuten]

Dragonball Super's electricity looks horrible.

This is how Ssj electricity should look:



Not like this:

[VintageSaiyan]

Here's a comparison of SS2 Goku in DBZ episode 279 and SS2 Goku in DBS episode 5


As crappy as the majority of DBS episode 5 looks it definitely had some really nice looking shots from time to time, this image above being one of the nice ones, probably even the best one in the episode.

The one you see from DBZ episode 279 is my favourite close up of SS2 Goku in DBZ.

I love the line work in the DBS image. I also like how they blurred out the background, it's a nice touch.

I love the look on Goku's face in the DBZ image, very serious.

I also love the shading there, unlike DBS where lighting and shading only cover the sides of Goku's face and above his cheeks, the DBZ image goes into detail with its shading, making the shot of Goku pop out rather than looking flat.

Still, both images look great. I prefer the DBZ one but the DBS one still looks really good.

It's not really a fair comparison because in that particular episode of Z goku looked like that for 99% of the episode! where that super shot is an anomaly in a 20 minute shitfest.

[h0kuten]

Dragonball Super's action scenes are a 5 out of 10 at best, honestly, I was expecting more. It seems they are abandoning the old art-work styles, like the Gohan above, in favor of 'bigger, better and flashier'.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Dragonball Super's action scenes are a 5 out of 10 at best, honestly, I was expecting more. It seems they are abandoning the old art-work styles, like the Gohan above, in favor of 'bigger, better and flashier'.

Did you notice Vegeta's 2 left hands? The animation is fucked up. Hopefully it gets better over time like the other 4 dragonball animes did.

[HybridSaiyan]

I was re-watching some of the Namek saga, and a thing that crossed my mind was this. Remember when Dragon Ball took such high measures in dealing with gore and heavy violence.

I miss all this. I miss how intimidating the villains were, it was unreal and gave you that sense of threat and fear.