The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[h0kuten]

Vegetto is by far superior to Boohan.

He's a product of the two greatest fighters in history, far...far greater than Gotenks or Gohan.

[Doctor.]

I don't think anyone can defeat Gohan-Buu at equal power levels. He has some of the most broken abilities ever (absorption, Candy Beam, regeneration, Kamikaze Ghosts, etc.), the ability to copy any technique he sees instantly (so even if your techniques are by some miracle superior to his, that advantage will soon be taken away), a wide variety of techniques right off the bat (all of Super Buu's, Piccolo's, Gotenks', and Gohan's), Super Buu's signature pragmatism and cunning, the wisdom of three gods, and infinite stamina. The last bit is especially important. You need to beat him down hard to get an opening to finish him off; otherwise, he'll keep coming back endlessly, at full power, while you tire out.

He's the perfect warrior, and absolutely impossible to defeat unless you're a decent bit stronger than him. The only one who might have a shot is another Buu. Beerus in particular would be fucked. If Buuhan spits out a Kamikaze Ghost, how would Beerus react? He'd probably hit in and get blown up.

Don't you think Whis wouldn't see through most of his attacks, though?

I'm not sure Gohan Boo would beat Cell, he'd probably be his toughest opponent.

[h0kuten]

Whiss is a martial arts master, greater than Beerus, Goku & Vegeta. His skills are probably above Vegetto and in turn above Boo. His staff alone grants him FTL speed, if he can fight with it he can essentially solo anybody at equal levels. It's a pre-determined set speed, not something that grows with its users strength.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Jeice vs. Reacoom

[Lord Beerus]

Jeice vs. Reacoom

I Jeice would take this considering that even when Vegeta's power level spiked after his first Zenkai after Recoome thrashing him, he was able to land a punch on Vegeta and make him bleed. While Reccome couldn't get the job done against a much weaker Vegeta.

[h0kuten]

Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Trained 7 Years) + Super Perfect Cell (Trained 7 years) vs Fat Boo (Full Power)

Teen Gohan Ssj3 (Trained 7 years) vs Super Boo

Vegeta Ssj2 Pre-Majin + Super Perfect Cell vs Goku Ssj2

Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj Post-ROST

Goku Ssj3 (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST

Vegetto Ssj3 (BoG) vs Vegetto Ssj4 (Boo)

[Lord Beerus]

Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Trained 7 Years) + Super Perfect Cell (Trained 7 years) vs Fat Boo (Full Power)

Teen Gohan Ssj3 (Trained 7 years) vs Super Boo

Vegeta Ssj2 Pre-Majin + Super Perfect Cell vs Goku Ssj2

Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj Post-ROST

Goku Ssj3 (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST

Vegetto Ssj3 (BoG) vs Vegetto Ssj4 (Boo)

- Fat Boo wrecks Gohan and Cell
- Super Boo still stomps
- SPC is such a non-factor in that fight as SSJ2 Goku could stomp him with little effort. I'd say the Majin boost did give Vegeta enough strength to take o SSJ2 Goku, so I'd say without it, he gets beaten.
- Gotenks wins with ease
- Goku gets annihilated
- SSJ4 Vegetto

[Noah]

Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Trained 7 Years) + Super Perfect Cell (Trained 7 years) vs Fat Boo (Full Power)

Super Perfect Cell after seven years of training? Are you for real? The bio-android that had the cells of the greatest fighters in the universe like Goku, Vegeta and Freeza, especially Freeza that was revealed to be a prodigy that only needed to train 4 months to go to a untrained SSJ tier to a God tier?

My gosh, if Cell actually trained he would wreck all the existence in Dragon Ball for sure.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Vegeta Ssj2 Pre-Majin + Super Perfect Cell vs Goku Ssj2

If SSGSS Goku and SSGSS Vegeta can fight Beers evenly, I'd say Cell and Vegeta can overwhelm Goku.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't think anyone can defeat Gohan-Buu at equal power levels. He has some of the most broken abilities ever (absorption, Candy Beam, regeneration, Kamikaze Ghosts, etc.), the ability to copy any technique he sees instantly (so even if your techniques are by some miracle superior to his, that advantage will soon be taken away), a wide variety of techniques right off the bat (all of Super Buu's, Piccolo's, Gotenks', and Gohan's), Super Buu's signature pragmatism and cunning, the wisdom of three gods, and infinite stamina. The last bit is especially important. You need to beat him down hard to get an opening to finish him off; otherwise, he'll keep coming back endlessly, at full power, while you tire out.

He's the perfect warrior, and absolutely impossible to defeat unless you're a decent bit stronger than him. The only one who might have a shot is another Buu. Beerus in particular would be fucked. If Buuhan spits out a Kamikaze Ghost, how would Beerus react? He'd probably hit in and get blown up.

Don't you think Whis wouldn't see through most of his attacks, though?

I'm not sure Gohan Boo would beat Cell, he'd probably be his toughest opponent.

We've never once been given reason to believe that Whis and Beerus are anything other than really, really strong. Partly because neither have fought an opponent that they weren't way stronger than. Plus, I don't think anyone could really overcome the advantage of infinite stamina that Buu has, or his regeneration.

Cell has inferior regeneration, inferior stamina, inferior techniques, inferior smarts... inferior everything really. A battle between them wouldn't be close.

Vegetto is by far superior to Boohan.

He's a product of the two greatest fighters in history, far...far greater than Gotenks or Gohan.

Even if he's more skilled than Boo (which I highly doubt; Piccolo and Pure Buu were both matching Goku at equal or slightly inferior power levels), it wouldn't matter. Buu's abilities are just too broken. And even base Super Buu is a lot more cunning and pragmatic than either Goku or Vegeta. Vegetto in particular is a giant idiot.

[Lord Beerus]

Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Trained 7 Years) + Super Perfect Cell (Trained 7 years) vs Fat Boo (Full Power)

Super Perfect Cell after seven years of training? Are you for real? The bio-android that had the cells of the greatest fighters in the universe like Goku, Vegeta and Freeza, especially Freeza that was revealed to be a prodigy that only needed to train 4 months to go to a untrained SSJ tier to a God tier?

My gosh, if Cell actually trained he would wreck all the existence in Dragon Ball for sure.

I think overestimate how strong SPC could get with training. I mean, if Cell had so much damn potential why did he have to absorb #17 and #18? Cell may have the DNA of some of the greatest fighters in the universe, but he doesn't have access to all their raw skill and potential. I mean, hell, even Cell's own version of a zenkai is weaksauce compared to the jump in power that the zenkai's granted to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan.

[Captain Space]

Whiss is a martial arts master, greater than Beerus, Goku & Vegeta. His skills are probably above Vegetto and in turn above Boo. His staff alone grants him FTL speed, if he can fight with it he can essentially solo anybody at equal levels. It's a pre-determined set speed, not something that grows with its users strength.

Although god-level guys already have a personal speed that's crazy FTL (Beerus makes it from his home to the planet Whis is on with the red alien guy and the dinosaurs in well under a minute and twenty seconds, stated timeframe), or at least Beerus and Whis do (it's sort of moot unless you can survive in space anyway). Presumably the staff is just even faster.

[LightBing]

Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Trained 7 Years) + Super Perfect Cell (Trained 7 years) vs Fat Boo (Full Power)

Super Perfect Cell after seven years of training? Are you for real? The bio-android that had the cells of the greatest fighters in the universe like Goku, Vegeta and Freeza, especially Freeza that was revealed to be a prodigy that only needed to train 4 months to go to a untrained SSJ tier to a God tier?

My gosh, if Cell actually trained he would wreck all the existence in Dragon Ball for sure.

I think overestimate how strong SPC could get with training. I mean, if Cell had so much damn potential why did he have to absorb #17 and #18? Cell may have the DNA of some of the greatest fighters in the universe, but he doesn't have access to all their raw skill and potential. I mean, hell, even Cell's own version of a zenkai is weaksauce compared to the jump in power that the zenkai's granted to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan.

It's in his DNA. Like a salmon returning to his birth place to reproduce. If I remember correctly, he traveled to the main timeline after killing Trunks, who had destroyed that timeline androids. He didn't need to do that. He was unopposed, but still receded to an egg and waited three years, going to a time were there was a possibility of existing powerful fighters there that could defeat him. Which did happen.

[Sayo-chan]

I've heard this from another user here. I reject it outright. It's nonsensical. You're not supposed to think when it comes to basic hybrid eclecticism, so there's nothing special about that. Now, his limbs moving independently is the kicker, Boo can do that. So what? Your limbs work together to be able to things, it seems incredibly counterproductive.

Yeah, and doing a pose that makes a ki wave which vaporizes your opponent is incredibly nonsensical as well, if you look it at real life standards. But this is a work of fiction, and if something is stated to be way more effective than anything that anyone before has done, then it is.

And in real life even if you use your reflexes the signal has to go to your spine first. Whis explained that it's each body part reacting independently, which is something no human in real world is capable of.

There's a difference. We have some form of logical consistency in-universe. We would be vastly confused at this point if Goku could rip his arm off and have it become sapient. This isn't Teen Titans Go. Just because it's fiction, doesn't give it a free pass at nonsense.

All brain activity happens before you react, in any capacity. It'd be completely irrelevant if that was somehow magically bypassed, especially when you're moving so fast already. Conceptually, he makes it sound the exact same as being reactionary. I never stated it was something anyone would be capable of, because it's a bad idea. Boo could do that, he could give each limb a little head if he wanted. Your limbs operate in unity when you're fighting, of they were operating independently it'd counterproductive no matter how you look at it.

It was a poorly formulated offhand comment. A lot of stupid things are said in Dragon Ball (mainly because they don't put effort into it nowadays), but this may be the cherry on the cupcake.

I don't think anyone can defeat Gohan-Buu at equal power levels. He has some of the most broken abilities ever (absorption, Candy Beam, regeneration, Kamikaze Ghosts, etc.), the ability to copy any technique he sees instantly (so even if your techniques are by some miracle superior to his, that advantage will soon be taken away), a wide variety of techniques right off the bat (all of Super Buu's, Piccolo's, Gotenks', and Gohan's), Super Buu's signature pragmatism and cunning, the wisdom of three gods, and infinite stamina. The last bit is especially important. You need to beat him down hard to get an opening to finish him off; otherwise, he'll keep coming back endlessly, at full power, while you tire out.

He's the perfect warrior, and absolutely impossible to defeat unless you're a decent bit stronger than him. The only one who might have a shot is another Buu. Beerus in particular would be fucked. If Buuhan spits out a Kamikaze Ghost, how would Beerus react? He'd probably hit in and get blown up.

I agree. He's the next logical step after Cell. He really comes off as "the omega", Boo as a whole that is, so to me, it's never made sense to have a villain after him.

I don't think anyone can defeat Gohan-Buu at equal power levels. He has some of the most broken abilities ever (absorption, Candy Beam, regeneration, Kamikaze Ghosts, etc.), the ability to copy any technique he sees instantly (so even if your techniques are by some miracle superior to his, that advantage will soon be taken away), a wide variety of techniques right off the bat (all of Super Buu's, Piccolo's, Gotenks', and Gohan's), Super Buu's signature pragmatism and cunning, the wisdom of three gods, and infinite stamina. The last bit is especially important. You need to beat him down hard to get an opening to finish him off; otherwise, he'll keep coming back endlessly, at full power, while you tire out.

He's the perfect warrior, and absolutely impossible to defeat unless you're a decent bit stronger than him. The only one who might have a shot is another Buu. Beerus in particular would be fucked. If Buuhan spits out a Kamikaze Ghost, how would Beerus react? He'd probably hit in and get blown up.

Don't you think Whis wouldn't see through most of his attacks, though?

I'm not sure Gohan Boo would beat Cell, he'd probably be his toughest opponent.

It's entirely situational. Cell's the better fighter, but he's biologically inferior, because magic. If you were to give him absolute knowledge of Boohan and his abilities, it's entirely possible he'd come up with a strategy to, perhaps not kill, but nullify him somehow. But imagine Boohan+Cell. Ki for ki, he'd be unstoppable.

Whiss is a martial arts master, greater than Beerus, Goku & Vegeta. His skills are probably above Vegetto and in turn above Boo. His staff alone grants him FTL speed, if he can fight with it he can essentially solo anybody at equal levels. It's a pre-determined set speed, not something that grows with its users strength.

Not if you kill him before he can react. I still see absolutely nothing demonstrating he's anything more than someone super strong with broken abilities.

Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Trained 7 Years) + Super Perfect Cell (Trained 7 years) vs Fat Boo (Full Power)

Super Perfect Cell after seven years of training? Are you for real? The bio-android that had the cells of the greatest fighters in the universe like Goku, Vegeta and Freeza, especially Freeza that was revealed to be a prodigy that only needed to train 4 months to go to a untrained SSJ tier to a God tier?

My gosh, if Cell actually trained he would wreck all the existence in Dragon Ball for sure.

Yeah, Freeza's battle power, abliet with the help of a new form shot up at least 20x what it was, making him stronger than SSJ3 Goku. If Cell trained for 7 years, Whis and Beerus would wet their pants.

Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Trained 7 Years) + Super Perfect Cell (Trained 7 years) vs Fat Boo (Full Power)

Super Perfect Cell after seven years of training? Are you for real? The bio-android that had the cells of the greatest fighters in the universe like Goku, Vegeta and Freeza, especially Freeza that was revealed to be a prodigy that only needed to train 4 months to go to a untrained SSJ tier to a God tier?

My gosh, if Cell actually trained he would wreck all the existence in Dragon Ball for sure.

I think overestimate how strong SPC could get with training. I mean, if Cell had so much damn potential why did he have to absorb #17 and #18? Cell may have the DNA of some of the greatest fighters in the universe, but he doesn't have access to all their raw skill and potential. I mean, hell, even Cell's own version of a zenkai is weaksauce compared to the jump in power that the zenkai's granted to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan.

I feel it's the opposite, that most people underestimate Cell here (contrary to GameFAQs). Because he was imperfect? Imperfect Cell has a different biology than Perfect Cell. It's really black and white. How doesn't he? There's nothing to suggest he doesn't. His zenkai probably multiplied his power roughly the same as SSJ2, which is a lot larger of a jump considering what his battle power was.

[iop890]

I feel it's the opposite, that most people underestimate Cell here (contrary to GameFAQs). Because he was imperfect? Imperfect Cell has a different biology than Perfect Cell. It's really black and white. How doesn't he? There's nothing to suggest he doesn't. His zenkai probably multiplied his power roughly the same as SSJ2, which is a lot larger of a jump considering what his battle power was.

I completely agree with you here. I don't want them to keep resurrecting past villains, but if they did I would expect Cell to have much more potential than Freeza did.

It's debatable whether Cell or Buu have more potential. I want to say Buu does, but at the same time I can't imagine a scenario where pure Buu actually realizes his potential do to his intellect/mindset. I suppose that's what Uub was for.

[Sayo-chan]

It's debatable whether Cell or Buu have more potential.

Why don't we have both? Booell or Bell. I'm in favor of Bell.

[iop890]

It's debatable whether Cell or Buu have more potential.

Why don't we have both? Booell or Bell. I'm in favor of Bell.

I Buu absorbed Cell what new abilities would he gain?(besides a more cunning mind)

Would he get zenkai boosts? Because that combined with his regeneration would be insane, but Buuhan didn't seem to get them.

[h0kuten]

Frieza is apart of Cell.

Boo is just Boo.

Cell has more potential by default.

[Sayo-chan]

It's debatable whether Cell or Buu have more potential.

Why don't we have both? Booell or Bell. I'm in favor of Bell.

If Buu absorbed Cell what new abilities would he gain?(besides a more cunning mind)

Would he get zenkai boosts? Because that combined with his regeneration would be insane, but Buuhan didn't seem to get them.

He'd gain all of Cell's abilities. Cell fronts that can use the Spirit Bomb and Kaio-ken and I see no reason to believe why not. Biologically Boo already does everything Cell does, but better in most categories; although he'd have his mind. He knows everyone he has cells of very well. Gohan may know Goku as being his dad that's sometimes there, but Cell knows Goku on a more intimate level. Same with Vegeta, Freeza, etc. It'd be a very beneficial absorption.

Maybe. Cell was pretty much the last character to receive one that was all that significant, but I'm skeptical. Bell would pretty much explode himself over and over if there was a power difference between he and his opponent.

[singsing]

All brain activity happens before you react, in any capacity. It'd be completely irrelevant if that was somehow magically bypassed,

Are you saying this in a series with literal magic, and characters who literally don't have brains?