New Animation VS Old Animation

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:21 pm

I'm not talking about the new arc though. I'm just referring to what we have in front of us, atm. For all I know, that arc might change my entire outlook and make me fall in love with the series.

I do blame the Buu saga on a lot of things. But it was still more enjoyable than everything that came after it, and contained borderline dark comedy, which was interesting.

Fine, F is darker than most of Dragon Ball, but my point is that, so far, nothing we've gotten is any indication that they're going back to their roots.
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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Doctor. » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:41 pm

Let's talk about the fight again. I thought the whole SS3 fight was miles better than the SS1 and SS2 portions and from the moment he fires his first Kamehameha, the animation from that point onward is really fluid and fast-paced, I have few complaints. Even in the SS2 portion of the fight, there were some passable scenes, very fluid scenes here and there that could have been better if the off-model characters weren't so noticeable; plus it had some very nice close-ups of SS2 Goku. The SS1 part of the fight was just trash, with no redeeming qualities though.

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:14 pm

Laziness speaks for itself.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMFt10JYKo
As you can see, the effort is heavily pushed into making this scene really enjoyable for viewers. It adds that overwhelming feeling of commitment and determination put into hard work for Vegeta.

Now what does super have to offer?
This quickly rushed disaster that gives off nothing but boredom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnU0WDzeaA4

Honestly guys, Super isn't all that special.

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:28 pm

HybridSaiyan wrote:Honestly guys, Super isn't all that special.
Nobody is saying that Super special. Hell, the original DB and Z anime had many awful animated moments too so I wouldn't exactly put it on a pedestal either.

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:35 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
HybridSaiyan wrote:Honestly guys, Super isn't all that special.
Nobody is saying that Super special. Hell, the original DB and Z anime had many awful animated moments too so I wouldn't exactly put it on a pedestal either.
I was merely referring to the scene in general, not in animation.

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Noah » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:46 pm

Posted that in DBS Episode 5 thread:

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Oh god this a total garbage. Invert colors? for realsies? Now I have no doubt that this episode was made in MS Paint

This actually remember me of that:
If they want to show Goku with a shocked expression after he being knock out they could use something similar to that:

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This totally express the terror and the pain the caracter was suffering, I think TOEI forgot what is Dragon Ball
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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by ThatGuyNamedChancey » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:11 pm

Noah wrote:Posted that in DBS Episode 5 thread:
Oh god this a total garbage. Invert colors? for realsies? Now I have no doubt that this episode was made in MS Paintl
:eh: I think the inverted colors work, considering it's supposed to show off (at least, I think so) that Goku was absolutely destroyed and broken from this one shot from Beerus. I mean, the image without the inverted colors is a bit goofy, but I feel as if it calls back to Dragon Ball being a goofy series. Hell, in the Saiyan Arc, the way Nappa dies is goofy.
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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Metalwario64 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:26 pm

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Here's a very quickly corrected sketch I made of that shot:

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Only took about 3 minutes. This episode must have been EXTREMELY rushed.
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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by LonelyShadow » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:32 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:Here's a very quickly corrected sketch I made of that shot:

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Only took about 3 minutes. This episode must have been EXTREMELY rushed.
3 minutes?! That's amazing, you did a great job! That really shows some pain on his face.

Other than that, the threat turned into something more like expressing our personal opinions and making them look like they were facts. :?

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:48 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:Image

Here's a very quickly corrected sketch I made of that shot:

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Only took about 3 minutes. This episode must have been EXTREMELY rushed.
Actually looks legit and a million times better than Toei's version. Amazing job.

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by bleed0range » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:51 pm

HybridSaiyan wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:Image

Here's a very quickly corrected sketch I made of that shot:

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Only took about 3 minutes. This episode must have been EXTREMELY rushed.
Actually looks legit and a million times better than Toei's version. Amazing job.
You know, I got the impression from that frame of the episode that they meant it to look "other worldly" to express how scary Beerus really is. Like they exaggerated his facial expression and made it negative to give off a "creepy" vibe, this shot follows Beerus' comment about how scary the God of Destruction is.

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:09 pm

I get the impression they wanted Goku to look as though Beerus stuck his planet-busting finger up his butt.
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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Sayo-chan » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:13 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I get the impression they wanted Goku to look as though Beerus stuck his finger up his butt.
Wouldn't that look more like this:
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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by h0kuten » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:18 pm

LOL Sorry but... Toei is so damn pathetic!!!

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Black_Liger » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:24 pm

This is a fan corrected version. Toei vs a Fan.

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as much as there was bad animation in dbz too, we need to riot a bit, so the odds of a better version on blu ray increase.

Not only did it lacked good art, the animation was slow and lacked punch. I already tweeted Toei animation about this.
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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Metalwario64 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:32 pm

That is awesome! Here's my completed version of the SS3 Goku shot:

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Noah » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:01 am

Metalwario64 wrote:That is awesome! Here's my completed version of the SS3 Goku shot:

You're an artist, Metalwario64 :clap:
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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by LordCrumb » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:12 am

I didn't think that shot in Super was to express Pain, but Shock. He was KO'd by the touch.

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by VintageSaiyan » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:00 am

The excuses people are making for that shot is hilarious.

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Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by ThatGuyNamedChancey » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:00 am

VintageSaiyan wrote:The excuses people are making for that shot is hilarious.
Personally, I wasn't looking for an excuse. I was looking at the context of the image and why it was the way it was. Seems like it was the same with other people who defended it.

Don't be like that, dude. :wink:
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