Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[h0kuten]

I get sad when I see people putting Freeza in 120,000,000. Feeza fought evenly with Goku SSJ; Place him at least in 140,000,000.

Author approved guidebooks > Fan speculation

[ahill1]

I get sad when I see people putting Freeza in 120,000,000. Feeza fought evenly with Goku SSJ; Place him at least in 140,000,000.

Author approved guidebooks > Fan speculation

Fan speculation > guidebooks IMO. I don't think the authors of the guides put much thought in his numbers; otherwise he would not have Piccolo Daimao > Tenshinhan. Or Goku (22nd TB) > Yamcha (23rd TB) - what is laughable. We fans sat and tried to put some meaning to the numbers, which the guides don't bother to do.

[Lord Beerus]

I get sad when I see people putting Freeza in 120,000,000. Feeza fought evenly with Goku SSJ; Place him at least in 140,000,000.

Author approved guidebooks > Fan speculation

Fan speculation > guidebooks IMO. I don't think the authors of the guides put much thought in his numbers; otherwise he would not have Piccolo Daimao > Tenshinhan. Or Goku (22nd TB) > Yamcha (23rd TB) - what is laughable. We fans sat and tried to put some meaning to the numbers, which the guides don't bother to do.

Fan speculation is good and all, but it can never, ever hold precedence over information which is backed up and officially supported from the creator of Dragon Ball.

[Sayo-chan]

Fan speculation is good and all, but it can never, ever hold precedence information which is backed up and officially supported from the creator of Dragon Ball.

When it comes to the guidebooks, when there's a direct contradiction between them--which happens--the most logical solution should hold precedence. I'd also hold that to be true in Toriyama's case if he said something like: "The Cell saga? Yeah, Cell was about Boo's strength then." Or "Android 17? Yeah, he was at a state park when they were fighting Cell." etc.

[h0kuten]

Which one of these is more accurate?

a) Gohan's enraged power and full potential is his Ssj2 state.
b) Gohan's enraged power stacks on his Ssj2 state.

Examples 1 - a) -

Goku
Ssj 5,000

Kid Gohan
Ssj 7,500
Ssj2 15,000

Perfect Cell
Powered Up 5,500
Increased Speed 6,000
Real Speed 8,000
Full Power 10,000

Super Perfect Cell
Full Power 14,000

Or

Example 2 - b) -

Goku
Ssj 5,000

Gohan
Ssj 7,500
Ssj2 15,000
Enraged 30,000

Perfect Cell
Powered Up 5,500
Increased Speed 6,000
Real Speed 8,000
Full Power 10,000

Super Perfect
Full Power 20,000

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Zombie, I lowered Ultimate Gohan, Gohan-Boo, Vegetto and the gap between Godku and SS3 Vegetto here. How does it look now?

[ZombieVito]

Zombie, I lowered Ultimate Gohan, Gohan-Boo, Vegetto and the gap between Godku and SS3 Vegetto here. How does it look now?

Looks very good. I'm curious as to why have Vegeta and Goku even in BoG and RoF.

I would also bump a little bit Goku after losing his god state. 4.5 seems rather low to me.

Which one of these is more accurate?

a) Gohan's enraged power and full potential is his Ssj2 state.
b) Gohan's enraged power stacks on his Ssj2 state.

While I don't agree with your gaps, I believe option B to be the one one.

I just can't see Gohan losing power.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Looks very good. I'm curious as to why have Vegeta and Goku even in BoG and RoF.

I would also bump a little bit Goku after losing his god state. 4.5 seems rather low to me.

Status quo. I personally assumed when Vegeta said he was outclassed by Goku he meant Super Saiyan 3 only.

I will raise Goku, how does 5 or 5.4 sound?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I get sad when I see people putting Freeza in 120,000,000. Feeza fought evenly with Goku SSJ; Place him at least in 140,000,000.

Both Goku & Freeza had been damaged from their fight before they went Super Saiyan & Full Power respectively, which would explain why their gap got smaller.

[ahill1]

Which one of these is more accurate?

a) Gohan's enraged power and full potential is his Ssj2 state.
b) Gohan's enraged power stacks on his Ssj2 state.

Examples 1 - a) -

Goku
Ssj 5,000

Kid Gohan
Ssj 7,500
Ssj2 15,000

Perfect Cell
Powered Up 5,500
Increased Speed 6,000
Real Speed 8,000
Full Power 10,000

Super Perfect Cell
Full Power 14,000

Or

Example 2 - b) -

Goku
Ssj 5,000

Gohan
Ssj 7,500
Ssj2 15,000
Enraged 30,000

Perfect Cell
Powered Up 5,500
Increased Speed 6,000
Real Speed 8,000
Full Power 10,000

Super Perfect
Full Power 20,000

I prefer the example A. I do not like giving an increase due to anger to Gohan;It is not involved any of this in the manga. Just keep a big difference between Goku and Gohan that things start to make sense. What do you think?

Goku SSJ (cell games) 45
Cell (vs Goku) 50.625
Gohan SSJ (Buu saga) 56
Dabra 56
Vegeta SSJ (buu saga) 63
Cell (vs gohan) 67.5
Gohan SSJ (cell games) 67.5

[ZombieVito]

Looks very good. I'm curious as to why have Vegeta and Goku even in BoG and RoF.

I would also bump a little bit Goku after losing his god state. 4.5 seems rather low to me.

Status quo. I personally assumed when Vegeta said he was outclassed by Goku he meant Super Saiyan 3 only.

I will raise Goku, how does 5 or 5.4 sound?

I have him at 2.7 in base and 5.4 in SSJ.

5 works as well.

[ahill1]

DRAGON BALL POWA REVERU LISTO

Dragon Ball saga


Bear Bandit 6.4

Kuririn 7

Yamcha 9

Son Goku 10
~Oozaru 100

Gyumao 15

Roshi 20




21st Tenkaichi Budokai



Orin Temple Bullies 9

Bacterian 12

Yamcha 12

Ranfan 13.5

Giran 14

Kuririn 16

Namu 19

Son Goku 20
~Oozaru 200

Roshi 20



Red Ribbon Saga ( Muscle Tower )



Silver 10

Murasaki 16

Metallic 18

Son Goku 20

Android 8 24



Red Ribbon saga ( part 2 )


Kuririn 16

Pirate Robot 17

Blue 18

Bora 18.5

Son Goku 22

Tao Pai Pai 30

Son Goku ( Post Karin ) 36

Karin 67



Uranai Baba Saga


Dracula Man 10.6

Invisible Man 11

Yamcha 12

Kuririn 16

Mummy 22

Akkuman 26

Son Gohan 34.2

Son Goku 36



22nd Tenkaichi Budokai


Panput 22

Chapa-o 34

Chaozu 38

Yamcha 40

Kuririn 40

Tsuru 55

Roshi 60

Tenshinhan 70

Son Goku 70



Piccolo Daimao Saga


flashback
Roshi ( young ) 63
Tsuru ( young ) 67
Mutaito 67

Kuririn 40

Cymbal 45

Tambourine 60

Yajirobe 66

Karin 67

Tenshinhan 70

Son Goku 70

Drum 90

Piccolo Daimao ( old ) 150

Piccolo Daimao ( Young ) 200

Son Goku ( Post Sacred Water ) 200

Mr Popo 275

Kami 310



23rd Tenkaichi Budokai


Chapa-o 50

Chaozu 120

Yajirobe 120

Chi Chi 130

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai 150

Yamcha 165

Kuririn 180

Tenshinhan 220

Shen 300

Kami 310

Piccolo 375

Son Goku ( Weighted ) 220
~W/o Weights 380


I really want the opinion of you! The list is good? Should I change anything? Comment.

[h0kuten]

Which one of these is more accurate?

a) Gohan's enraged power and full potential is his Ssj2 state.
b) Gohan's enraged power stacks on his Ssj2 state.

Examples 1 - a) -

Goku
Ssj 5,000

Kid Gohan
Ssj 7,500
Ssj2 15,000

Perfect Cell
Powered Up 5,500
Increased Speed 6,000
Real Speed 8,000
Full Power 10,000

Super Perfect Cell
Full Power 14,000

Or

Example 2 - b) -

Goku
Ssj 5,000

Gohan
Ssj 7,500
Ssj2 15,000
Enraged 30,000

Perfect Cell
Powered Up 5,500
Increased Speed 6,000
Real Speed 8,000
Full Power 10,000

Super Perfect
Full Power 20,000

I prefer the example A. I do not like giving an increase due to anger to Gohan;It is not involved any of this in the manga. Just keep a big difference between Goku and Gohan that things start to make sense. What do you think?

Goku SSJ (cell games) 45
Cell (vs Goku) 50.625
Gohan SSJ (Buu saga) 56
Dabra 56
Vegeta SSJ (buu saga) 63
Cell (vs gohan) 67.5
Gohan SSJ (cell games) 67.5

This is where I can't make up my mind. Because the Boo saga makes a clear distinction between Gohan's Ssj2 (which he showed to Kibito) and his enraged power. Gohan was already a Ssj2 but Vegeta doesn't know how strong he will become if he gets mad. Further-more, he says Gohan was stronger as a kid, so clearly there is a clear distinction made between Kid Gohan, Ssj2 & his Enraged potential.

So I would assume Ssj2 is different than Gohan getting mad.

What do you guys think?

[ahill1]

The part of Gohan become SSJ2 in Budokai was ignored by Toriyama. Note that in the fight against Dabura, Goku or Vegeta didn't say: "hey, Gohan become SSJ soon and end this fight." There was a terrible retcon.

How is my list of Dragon Ball? I wanted the opinion of you:

Piccolo Daimao ( young )?
Krillin ( 23rd Budokai )?
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai )?
Cyborg Tao?

[h0kuten]

The part of Gohan become SSJ2 in Budokai was ignored by Toriyama. Note that in the fight against Dabura, Goku or Vegeta didn't say: "hey, Gohan become SSJ soon and end this fight." There was a terrible retcon.

How is my list of Dragon Ball? I wanted the opinion of you:

Piccolo Daimao ( young )?
Krillin ( 23rd Budokai )?
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai )?
Cyborg Tao?

I'm not a Dragonball enthusiast as much of a Z enthusiast. I'm going to have to let someone else answer this.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

How is my list of Dragon Ball? I wanted the opinion of you:

Piccolo Daimao ( young )?
Krillin ( 23rd Budokai )?
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai )?
Cyborg Tao?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uQq ... 39kOzs/pub

[ahill1]

How is my list of Dragon Ball? I wanted the opinion of you:

Piccolo Daimao ( young )?
Krillin ( 23rd Budokai )?
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai )?
Cyborg Tao?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uQq ... 39kOzs/pub

What do you think?

Tenshinhan ( 23rd Budokai ) 220
Piccolo Daimao ( young ) 200
Kuririn ( 23rd Budokai ) 180
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai ) 165
Cyborg Tao 150

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo Daimao ( young ): 260
Krillin ( 23rd Budokai ): 195
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai ): 170
Cyborg Tao: 210

[RandomGuy96]

Piccolo Daimao ( young ): 260
Krillin ( 23rd Budokai ): 195
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai ): 169
Cyborg Tao: 160

I go with 210 being the power level of Tao's charged-up Super Dodonpa attack. His actual power level being 210 doesn't really work with how easily Ten destroyed him.

[ZombieVito]

210 works just fine. If we assume Tenshinhan is 240 there the gap will be almost exactly the same has Vegeta and KK Goku.