Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?

[TheUltimateVegito]

in my opinion Gohan could have taken Cell without a problem, without the SSJ2 rage transformation.

I disagree. I'm sure Cell was still suppressed before taking the senzu.

He was. Cell was at 50% full power when he fought both Goku and Gohan. But in his current state and if he didn't take the senzu bean, he'd have lost easily.

Maybe if everyone teamed up, but I don't think Gohan would beat Cell on his own.

[SuperSaiyanHedgehog]

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[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Maybe if everyone teamed up, but I don't think Gohan would beat Cell on his own.

Gohan is at least equal to Goku, if not slightly stronger by a small margin. How would someone at the same power level not perform as well?

Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo interfering would do little help, since there is quite a gap between them and Goku/Gohan. They'd only get in Gohan's way.

[TheUltimateVegito]

Maybe if everyone teamed up, but I don't think Gohan would beat Cell on his own.

Gohan is at least equal to Goku, if not slightly stronger by a small margin. How would someone at the same power level not perform as well?

Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo interfering would do little help, since there is quite a gap between them and Goku/Gohan. They'd only get in Gohan's way.

Good point.

So you're saying that a fully healed Goku would've been able to beat the weakened Cell? I don't think it was implied that he could.

[Truhan]

I take it that Goku was only expecting Gohan to beat Cell with a rage boost, and that his full power as a SSJ was enough to keep his defenses up, given how he was deemed stronger by a small margin, if not equal. However, Goku was completely surprised that Gohan achieved a new level, so his body must have reached a new height that Goku hadn't, and that's why I prefer (FP)SSJ Gohan to be stronger than (FP)SSJ Goku. Remember, having a rage boost is not the same as using your emotions to trigger the transformation, because Goku doesn't have obvious rage boosts, and was capable of transforming. Gohan's trigger was made of emotions he had towards life and the prospect of it being ended, as reminded by Android 16. Here's a prediction using numbers, either way:

SSJ Goku (FP) = 72
Perfect Cell (60%) = 72
SSJ Gohan (FP) = 80
Perfect Cell (70%) = 84
SSJ2 Gohan = 100
Perfect Cell (FP) = 96
Percet Cell (p-Z) = 120
SSJ2 Gohan + Rage = 120+

Note: since Full Power is actually a variable amount for SSJ, unlike Freeza doubling his power, I decided to stick with 1.6 times the increase over Perfect Cell's 50% state.

[dbzfan7]

Yes. If he didn't earth would be fucked. No amount of power Goku had, or everyone combined outside of Gohan would matter. Gohan needed to fight, and he needed to use SSJ2. Otherwise Cell would have massacred everyone. Gohan was the only one who could handle Cell.

[Cipher]

The short answer: No, or at least not the way he did, but it worked out anyway.

[fadeddreams5]

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[SuperSaiyanHedgehog]

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The poor topic creator made an entire topic apologizing for, basically, making this joke thread, which completely went over people's heads. And he's still ignored. lol.

But hey, there's no realize to apologize. You inadvertently sparked an interesting discuss! =D

Aw, thanks for listening!

[Sayo-chan]

in my opinion Gohan could have taken Cell without a problem, without the SSJ2 rage transformation.

I disagree. I'm sure Cell was still suppressed before taking the senzu.

He was. Cell was at 50% full power when he fought both Goku and Gohan. But in his current state and if he didn't take the senzu bean, he'd have lost easily.

What implies he was at 50%? Cell's power up is pretty intense, surprising everyone but Gohan. Hell, he makes the entire planet shake, which thereby throws it off its axis.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

What implies he was at 50%? Cell's power up is pretty intense, surprising everyone but Gohan. Hell, he makes the entire planet shake, which thereby throws it off its axis.

After Gohan went SSJ2, Cell claimed he wasn't at his maximum. He then powers up even further. Shocking everyone else in the audience (even Goku).
When Goku was fighting Cell, Cell clearly held back.

[Sayo-chan]

What implies he was at 50%? Cell's power up is pretty intense, surprising everyone but Gohan. Hell, he makes the entire planet shake, which thereby throws it off its axis.

After Gohan went SSJ2, Cell claimed he wasn't at his maximum. He then powers up even further. Shocking everyone else in the audience (even Goku).
When Goku was fighting Cell, Cell clearly held back.

Yeah... I gave the direct implication that he was suppressed, but my question stands: why 50%?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

What implies he was at 50%? Cell's power up is pretty intense, surprising everyone but Gohan. Hell, he makes the entire planet shake, which thereby throws it off its axis.

After Gohan went SSJ2, Cell claimed he wasn't at his maximum. He then powers up even further. Shocking everyone else in the audience (even Goku).
When Goku was fighting Cell, Cell clearly held back.

Yeah... I gave the direct implication that he was suppressed, but my question stands: why 50%?

Had to come up with a estimated suppression that would cause such a reaction from the others. If it were 70% or 80% Goku or Vegeta probably would have not thought much of it. His 2nd power up was big enough that they weren't sure if Gohan would still win.

[Sayo-chan]

Cell initial: 25 (50% suppressed)
Goku: 19
Gohan: 23
Cell weakened: 11
Goku weakened: 8
Cell max: 50
Cell maxed weakened: 36 (+25)

Even if it's 50%, the number scan still work in Cell's favor. So saying he would've lost easily without a Senzu isn't necessarily true.

[LowRyder2005]

Something has been pretty much retconned as of late, though: they werent' fighting during the Cell Game... it was WWE SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPERSLAM!

[Lord Beerus]

Cell initial: 25 (50% suppressed)
Goku: 19
Gohan: 23
Cell weakened: 11
Goku weakened: 8
Cell max: 50
Cell maxed weakened: 36 (+25)

Even if it's 50%, the number scan still work in Cell's favor. So saying he would've lost easily without a Senzu isn't necessarily true.

Huh? Since when was SSJ Gohan weaker than Cell (suppressed)? Everybody was blown away by Gohan's strength when he powered up against Cell. Even Cell was shocked. I'd have SSJ Gohan on par with Cell, if not, slightly stronger. And if that how strong you think SSJ Gohan is at full power then those numbers definitely can't work.

[ekrolo2]

So.... how does this post BoG style of power ranking work exactly.....?

[Doctor.]

I'm one of those people that doesn't believe Goku grows at all except for his ki/physical strength. How does this make Goku grow? I'm more than willing to be proven wrong but from what I remember Goku acts exactly the same even after this incident.

You'd be mistaken, Goku develops a lot throughout the entire series.

This particular occasion allows him to forsake a fair fight, something he has hardly done before. He was also proven wrong, that fighting isn't everything in the world and acknowledges his son's feelings. He first puts Gohan in there, completely disregarding Gohan's opinion, and even insists on Gohan fighting 1-on-1 and gives Cell a senzu bean, as a way to make the fight "fair"; his perception of life is then changed when Piccolo tries to bring him to his senses and he immediately tries to jump in the fight, that's change. It was, also, one of the main reasons behind his act of staying dead, an act that shows a great amount of maturity not seen until that point from Goku.

Edit: aaand he deleted his post.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

A 25 would smash a 19. And I also think Goku is still on rivaling terms with Gohan.

So probably more like...

Cell - 25
Goku - 23
Gohan - 25

If Goku hadn't given Cell a senzu bean Gohan takes an easy win since I estimate suppressed Cell and Gohan are about evenly matched. That is, when they are both fresh. Cell was pretty tired.

[Sayo-chan]

Cell initial: 25 (50% suppressed)
Goku: 19
Gohan: 23
Cell weakened: 11
Goku weakened: 8
Cell max: 50
Cell maxed weakened: 36 (+25)

Even if it's 50%, the number scan still work in Cell's favor. So saying he would've lost easily without a Senzu isn't necessarily true.

Huh? Since when was SSJ Gohan weaker than Cell (suppressed)? Everybody was blown away by Gohan's strength when he powered up against Cell. Even Cell was shocked. I'd have SSJ Gohan on par with Cell, if not, slightly stronger. And if that how strong you think SSJ Gohan is at full power then those numbers definitely can't work.

Gohan gets his ass handed him, he only gets one good kick in. Cell nearly kills him. Even if I changed it to fit your interpretation, the numbers still work.