Cell after Freeza's training regimen

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

He has the cells of Goku (a prodigy among saiyans), Piccolo (a prodigy among nameks), Freeza ( a prodigy among whatever race he is) as well being as built with the pinnacle of Gero's science. This makes him at least a Quadruple prodigy. So if he did they same amazing training that got Freeza from 120 million to 100 quintillion (not his real PL i know, but its still a huge improvement) in six months, how strong would he end up? Ultimate Gohan tier? Buuhan tier? SSJ4 Goku tier? Super Vegetto tier? Beerus tier? Whis tier? Toriyama tier?! (omnipotence).

[SSJ God Gogeta]

I don't care what anyone says, if Cell trained I could see him becoming one of the strongest Characters in DB.

[dbzfan7]

I don't care what anyone says, if Cell trained I could see him becoming one of the strongest Characters in DB.

I agree. I've seen my fair share of arguments weather Cell couldn't do the same, but personally I see no difference. Sometimes there's some ok reasoning, and other times I swear it's just to rationalize the stupid idea with Freeza.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I have a good argument for why Cell can't do the same:







































He's dead and no one would want to wish him back

[fadeddreams5]

I have a good argument for why Cell can't do the same:

He's dead and no one would want to wish him back

He doesn't have to be wished back. It's Cell. The dude who came back cause... fucking nucleus. The one they killed wasn't even from their timeline.

It doesn't have to be the same Cell. They've already dabbled with that idea in DBO with Cell-X. It honestly baffles me that he got the treatment he did in GT, yet 17 got the spotlight in his place. GT...

On-topic - Cell is billed as the "perfect" fighter. By all means, his potential should reign supreme beyond any other character besides Majin Buu. I mean, that is quite literally his purpose in life. The guy reached an equivalent to SSJ2 without ever training in his life. If he does train, his gains should be limitless, imo.

Even without training, if he was remade with the "cells" of Beerus, Buu, Whis, Gotenks, and Vegito, everyone would be fucked.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Cell and is likely one of the known characters with the highest potential in the franchises. He has the whole Saiyan, Namekian and Freeza Clan genetics thing to boost his potential, and could potentially end up with some absurd Ultimate Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan combination of power under the right circumstances

Stepping outside the main series, Mira is probably the know character with the highest potential. He is a warrior from the future that has the DNA of fighters from across Universe 7's various histories, including guys like Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Buu and Super Yi Xing Long just to name a few. The new Demon King also just recently got his own Super (Saiyan) transformation in Heroes, which will likely carry over to a Xenoverse sequel too. So given the right circumstance, he would probably be an outright behemoth.

[supercat]

I don't know, the seemingly endless controversy surrounding this topic will likely continue until we actually get confirmation on Cell's full potential. I personally believe that the genuine privilege of being a prodigy isn't something that one could simply replicate in a laboratory. If Frieza's unrivaled ability to gain power could simply be recreated by culturing cells on a petri dish, don't you think the authenticity of what was meant to be exclusive to him loses value? I mean, don't get me wrong, I could definitely envision Cell inheriting an innate potential that presumably far exceeds the vast majority of the other fighters, but I'm also inclined to believe that it comes with limitations.

[Doctor.]

Stepping outside the main series, Mira is probably the know character with the highest potential. He is a warrior from the future that has the DNA of fighters from across Universe 7's various histories, including guys like Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Buu and Super Yi Xing Long just to name a few. The new Demon King also just recently got his own Super (Saiyan) transformation in Heroes, which will likely carry over to a Xenoverse sequel too. So given the right circumstance, he would probably be an outright behemoth.

Ehhhh... Mira in Xenoverse was beaten by the player when he was around SS3 Goku's level at best.

And Yi Xing Long? How?

[fadeddreams5]

I don't know, the seemingly endless controversy surrounding this topic will likely continue until we actually get confirmation on Cell's full potential. I personally believe that the genuine privilege of being a prodigy isn't something that one could simply replicate in a laboratory. If Freeza's unrivaled ability to gain power could simply be recreated by culturing cells on a petri dish, don't you think the authenticity of what was meant to be exclusive to him loses value? I mean, don't get me wrong, I could definitely envision Cell inheriting an innate potential that presumably far exceeds the vast majority of the other fighters, but I'm also inclined to believe that it comes with limitations.

Even before he was known as a prodigy, Frieza was already considered the strongest in the universe, who even King Kai feared. Yet, despite that, some scientist on Earth, with limited resources, managed to create multiple androids that were not only stronger than him, but also more powerful than the "legendary" SSJ form.

His position in the DBZverse already lost value a long time ago. Both Cell and Buu should far exceed him in terms of potential. Broly too, if he was part of the main continuity.

[Doctor.]

If Goku's potential was basically none and he got so strong, then by all means, most characters in the series should get MUCH stronger under the same training method.

[Galan007]

Imo, he could very well unlock the same type of gains as Freeza--perhaps even become 'Golden Cell'. The difference is that he might also be able to stack Saiyan zenkais on top of said power, thereby becoming stronger than Freeza ever could.


...Then he could transform into an Oozaru to boot.

[LightBing]

He don't know if Freeza's training regiment was special or specific.(Please show it in Super!!) Just because he has genes from Freeza, doesn't mean he just gathers the best traits. And even if he does, it might not take full effect since the Saiyans and Piccolo's genes might counter-balance it.

[supercat]

I don't know, the seemingly endless controversy surrounding this topic will likely continue until we actually get confirmation on Cell's full potential. I personally believe that the genuine privilege of being a prodigy isn't something that one could simply replicate in a laboratory. If Freeza's unrivaled ability to gain power could simply be recreated by culturing cells on a petri dish, don't you think the authenticity of what was meant to be exclusive to him loses value? I mean, don't get me wrong, I could definitely envision Cell inheriting an innate potential that presumably far exceeds the vast majority of the other fighters, but I'm also inclined to believe that it comes with limitations.

Even before he was known as a prodigy, Freeza was already considered the strongest in the universe, who even King Kai feared. Yet, despite that, some scientist on Earth, with limited resources, managed to create multiple androids that were not only stronger than him, but also more powerful than the "legendary" SSJ form.

His position in the DBZverse already lost value a long time ago. Both Cell and Buu should far exceed him in terms of potential. Broly too, if he was part of the main continuity.

Well I could definitely see Buu having greater latent power than Frieza, but the others you mentioned are debatable. Yes, Gero did create beings who far surpassed anything Frieza could muster back in the Namek arc, but we also have to realize that the 120 million power level that had been for decades associated with his name is not his true power, but rather his baseline, or where he naturally stands by default. The strength that Androids 17, 18, 16, and even Cell wielded are trivial in comparison to Frieza in the grand scheme of things, as I doubt any of them could ever reach the same caliber that the emperor of evil was able to hit in four months. As a matter of fact, with the possible exclusion of Cell, reaching Golden Frieza tier is probably not something any of Gero's creations could attain, even after a lifetime of training. Final Form Frieza (not golden) alone could probably one-shot SSJ Vegetto with the blink of an eye, while his first form could effortlessly annihilate Kid Buu, and possibly even Super Buu.

Barring my lack of enthusiasm towards Broly, I don't see why his potential should be greater than Goku's, or even Vegeta's. Sure he was born with a power level of 10,000, but we've seen that a Saiyan's power and/or potential is not necessarily determined by their reading at birth, as is evidenced when Goku nonchalantly surpassed elites like Nappa, Vegeta, and King Vegeta. Furthermore, even if we assume that birth power is one of the many variables behind the mysterious algorithm that determines potential, there's a huge difference between 10,000 and 120,000,000.

[fadeddreams5]

I don't know, the seemingly endless controversy surrounding this topic will likely continue until we actually get confirmation on Cell's full potential. I personally believe that the genuine privilege of being a prodigy isn't something that one could simply replicate in a laboratory. If Freeza's unrivaled ability to gain power could simply be recreated by culturing cells on a petri dish, don't you think the authenticity of what was meant to be exclusive to him loses value? I mean, don't get me wrong, I could definitely envision Cell inheriting an innate potential that presumably far exceeds the vast majority of the other fighters, but I'm also inclined to believe that it comes with limitations.

Even before he was known as a prodigy, Freeza was already considered the strongest in the universe, who even King Kai feared. Yet, despite that, some scientist on Earth, with limited resources, managed to create multiple androids that were not only stronger than him, but also more powerful than the "legendary" SSJ form.

His position in the DBZverse already lost value a long time ago. Both Cell and Buu should far exceed him in terms of potential. Broly too, if he was part of the main continuity.

Well I could definitely see Buu having greater latent power than Freeza, but the others you mentioned are debatable. Yes, Gero did create beings who far surpassed anything Freeza could muster back in the Namek arc, but we also have to realize that the 120 million power level that had been for decades associated with his name is not his true power, but rather his baseline, or where he naturally stands by default. The strength that Androids 17, 18, 16, and even Cell wielded are trivial in comparison to Freeza in the grand scheme of things, as I doubt any of them could ever reach the same caliber that the emperor of evil was able to hit in four months. As a matter of fact, with the possible exclusion of Cell, reaching Golden Freeza tier is probably not something any of Gero's creations could attain, even after a lifetime of training. Final Form Freeza (not golden) alone could probably one-shot SSJ Vegetto with the blink of an eye, while his first form could effortlessly annihilate Kid Buu, and possibly even Super Buu.

Barring my lack of enthusiasm towards Broly, I don't see why his potential should be greater than Goku's, or even Vegeta's. Sure he was born with a power level of 10,000, but we've seen that a Saiyan's power and/or potential is not necessarily determined by their reading at birth, as is evidenced when Goku nonchalantly surpassed elites like Nappa, Vegeta, and King Vegeta. Furthermore, even if we assume that birth power is one of the many variables behind the mysterious algorithm that determines potential, there's a huge difference between 10,000 and 120,000,000.

What I'm getting at is that Frieza's status was already cheapened once before, so it's not really much of an excuse for Cell not attaining a greater power. This prodigy nonsense wasn't a thing back then, but Frieza was still considered the most powerful being in the universe. In the end of the day, a Earthling created cyborgs stronger than the strongest beings in the known universe. By modern DBZ logic, no android would be able to reach the level of Frieza's potential. However, Cell very likely can. The entire purpose of his existence is to be the perfect fighter. His regeneration is far greater than any Namekian's, despite only having Piccolo's cells. He's able to rapidly attain SSJ levels without ever training, even if they are a tad weaker than the authentic deal. He possesses zenkai. He can breathe in space. With training, his potential is an endless abyss. Unfortunately, his arrogance is his biggest weakness, which would prevent him from exercising because he already considers himself perfect.

As for Broly, I might have jumped the gun there. I forget how ludicrous SSJG is, and how Golden Frieza was somehow able to attain an equal power just by training.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Ehhhh... Mira in Xenoverse was beaten by the player when he was around SS3 Goku's level at best.

And Yi Xing Long? How?

And Cell was defeated by a Super Saiyan 2. This isn't about how they were defeated, but the potential power they would have if they trained, which basically none of the bigger villains ever seemed to have done. The game tells us that he comes from a future where no one strong remains and he has apparently never cut loose to truly test his power, which is why he bothers with the player's avatar (who's power is debatable since you can do the whole Majin Buu Arc in one shot if you're strong enough level wise, meaning you could fight Mira and then immediately move on to Evil Buu and Demigra, as well as the possessed Pure Buu).

We're told he has DNA of various warriors and he's confirmed to at least have attacks from Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Freeza, 17, 18, Cell, Buu, Super 17, Super Yi Xing Long, etc. I don't know how he got their DNA, Xenoverse's story isn't exactly full of depth in the plot department. Best guess is Towa magic, the same way most of the other stuff happens.

[Doctor.]

Ehhhh... Mira in Xenoverse was beaten by the player when he was around SS3 Goku's level at best.

And Yi Xing Long? How?

And Cell was defeated by a Super Saiyan 2. This isn't about how they were defeated, but the potential power they would have if they trained, which basically none of the bigger villains ever seemed to have done. The game tells us that he comes from a future where no one strong remains and he has apparently never cut loose to truly test his power, which is why he bothers with the player's avatar (who's power is debatable since you can do the whole Majin Buu Arc in one shot if you're strong enough level wise, meaning you could fight Mira and then immediately move on to Evil Buu and Demigra, as well as the possessed Pure Buu).

We're told he has DNA of various warriors and he's confirmed to at least have attacks from Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Freeza, 17, 18, Cell, Buu, Super 17, Super Yi Xing Long, etc. I don't know how he got their DNA, Xenoverse's story isn't exactly full of depth in the plot department. Best guess is Towa magic, the same way most of the other stuff happens.

Yes, but Cell never bothered to train. Towa's objective is to gather energy for Mira, he even asks for more power in the cut-scene at the end of XV's campaign. Why would they need more power if he can just train and get at least in the same realm as Golden Freeza?

Sure, you can beat the entire arc easily, but you can say that with any arc in the game, as long as your level is high enough. The story gives us the fight with Mira and, right after that, proceeds to the fight with Boo. At the end of said mission, the player even looks visibly tired. The implication here is that Fat Boo, the player character and Mira are around the same level.

Doesn't make much sense considering XV and DBO aren't in the same continuity as GT, but that's a debate for another day. In the story proper, he never uses it, does he?

[Lord Beerus]

Meh. I don't get any the hype about Cell's potential. I ultimately think he composed of the greatest attributes, and not specially the potential, of the DNA he has from the other characters:
- Saiyan (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan etc.): Strength and potential
- Namekian (Piccolo): Regeneration
- Freeza: Surviving in the vacuum of space and enduring near fatal injuries.

And as far as we know, a Saiyans potential through training peaked at SSJ3. So I reckon after a Freeza-like training regime he'd reach SSJ3 level strength, if he's lucky.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yes, but Cell never bothered to train. Towa's objective is to gather energy for Mira, he even asks for more power in the cut-scene at the end of XV's campaign. Why would they need more power if he can just train and get at least in the same realm as Golden Freeza?

Sure, you can beat the entire arc easily, but you can say that with any arc in the game, as long as your level is high enough. The story gives us the fight with Mira and, right after that, proceeds to the fight with Boo. At the end of said mission, the player even looks visibly tired. The implication here is that Fat Boo, the player character and Mira are around the same level.

Doesn't make much sense considering XV and DBO aren't in the same continuity as GT, but that's a debate for another day. In the story proper, he never uses it, does he?

Towa's objective is to gather energy (kiri) to break the seal on Makai. We don't know how much he or Towa know about the beings that make up his DNA, he may not know what training could do for him. But it definitely seems Mira never bothered to train either as far as we know. He certainly had little reason to if he's already surpassed the strength required to defeat the fat Majin Buu and SS3 Goku at the same time.

The possession technique used on most of the characters is confirmed to multiply their power very early on in the story. The player may not have been tired at all if he had just fought the original at regular power, but he goes into the fight having already faced Mira and then being forces to protect Goku from a horde of possessed fat Buu's...who, disregarding game mechanics for things from the original version of the story, would be super charged monsters with haxed regeneration.

DBO doesn't have any relevance here; the game and Xenoverse don't fit in the same continuity. If the player can visit GT, I see no reason Towa couldn't if she's been shown to visit the main timeline as well as Trunks' version. And yes, he uses those attacks during the game's story. Super Yi Xing Long's Minus Energy Power Ball is used in the Buu fight we're already discussing.

[soduh2]

Meh. I don't get any the hype about Cell's potential. I ultimately think he composed of the greatest attributes, and not specially the potential, of the DNA he has from the other characters:
- Saiyan (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan etc.): Strength and potential
- Namekian (Piccolo): Regeneration
- Freeza: Surviving in the vacuum of space and enduring near fatal injuries.

And as far as we know, a Saiyans potential through training peaked at SSJ3. So I reckon after a Freeza-like training regime he'd reach SSJ3 level strength, if he's lucky.

Cell also has the techniques of the different characters. Not to mention his regeneration is better than that of Piccolo (from what we've seen in the series). It's at least reasonable to place Cell's potential "somewhere above" Buu Saga super saiyan 3 Goku, right?

[Lord Beerus]

Cell also has the techniques of the different characters. Not to mention his regeneration is better than that of Piccolo (from what we've seen in the series).

And that turned to out to be false, as Cell, much Piccolo, really did need his head to stay intact to regenrate.

It's at least reasonable to place Cell's potential "somewhere above" Buu Saga super saiyan 3 Goku, right?

I don't see how he can reach a level above SSJ3 through training alone. I mean, becoming a SSJ3 was already beyond pushing it for Goku.